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[Aisynia]

TarielMaeda wrote...

You mean as a squadmember or a character?

He's a bit of a douche, but seems nice once you get to know him.

As I was telling my friend, he's totally got an excuse for being a hard ass. More of an excuse than any other character in the series. All he knew his entire life was fighting and despair. He grew up in a culture already under siege by the reapers. He was raised to do one thing: Kill the reapers and ensure the survival of organics at any cost.

I take issue with a lot of the things he says, but I really like him none the less, and so does my character, because his perspective is totally sympathetic and understandable. As long as he doesn't go over my head or behind my back and actually take it upon himself to throw one of my two synthetics out the airlock, we're all good Thankfully, he has enough respect for Shepard not to do that.

[t003]

He just needed more dialogue, like most characters.

Modifié par t003, 13 mars 2012 - 09:00 .

[Aisynia]

FPS Harbinger wrote...

I should have brought him with me on the Asari homeworld, though Garrus had funny comments. I will next time.

He has a pretty dramatic effect on the events at Thessia.

[MassStorm]

OMG i love him. The best new character in the game. So much to know and listen. If all the Protheans were like Javik then they were a pretty cool race.

[rockman0]

sirisaacx wrote...

rockman0 wrote...

It was a real eye-opener. The way the Protheans were referred to in ME1 and 2, I always imagined them as this benevolent father-figure species that looked out for everyone else. In reality, they were the big bullies of the Milky Way during their time. Everyone put them up on a pedestal and romanticized them because they were so advanced and left so much technology for us.

Also, he would frustrating when he would try to criticize my tactics.

"In my time, when someone abandoned their post, we buried them up to their heads and let the birds pick their eyeball out of their sockets."

"Don't trust the synthetics."

"Do this. Do that."

I just wanted to tell him, "Yeah, Javik. How'd that work out for you. Didn't your species get wiped out or something."

But I didn't. Mainly because the game didn't let me, or he probably would have used Dark Channel on my Shepard.

Plus without the protheans our cycle would have been ****ed as well. If they'd had advance warning like we had they might have succeeded.

I thought they did. Didn't he say something about how plans for the Crucible were passed down to them from the species that came before them. They also knew that the Reapers had wiped out the Inusannon and those other weird names. I think he said their downfall was with the way they forced everyone to adopt their tactics and use their strategies.

Basically, during his cycle, the entire galaxy was fighting the same way because the Protheans forced them to. Anyone who felt otherwise were left to fight the Reapers alone.

I still liked the character though. I'm glad Bioware didn't paint them out to be this species that can never do wrong.

[sirisaacx]

I always wondered why they sent Javik though, and not a scientist. I mean, I guess I can understand, him being the Shepard of his cycle. But I can't help but feel an expert on the crucible would have been more helpful. That bugged me a little.

[Walrusninja]

He was fantastic. One of my favourite characters in the series. He should've been in it from the start though. I'm not ****ing about paying for it, more that:
. Default game has too few companions
. In parts of the game he is all but essential

[Rip The Reaper]

People are saying he's a mediocre to average character??? I thought people were just upset with the DLC first day thing, not the character. Javik is and his story is Awesome. I mean for example I took him with me to Thesia on my 2nd playthrough and he fits so well with the story

[Aulis Vaara]

He's supposed to be in the game, but isn't. Instead he's a DLC character I refuse to buy. Oh, and to quote myself from the From Ashes thread:

On Thessia, the way the Protheans look. I really felt an explanation was missing there, one that would've been filled in nicely by having Javik along.

And how many Biotics are in your squad? At best, two. If you have Ashley, only one. A character that represents the Vanguard class is very sorely missing from the game and actively hurting gameplay if you're not a Biotic yourself. Someone else pointed it out to me and it's true. I hadn't noticed in my playthrough because I was a Vanguard myself, but if you play as something else, it's a major gap in your squad.

That said, you know which character is superfluous? EDI. EDI didn't need to be there, she even represents a class that was already covered (Engineer). On top of that, she seems perfect for something like a DLC character, as she has no specific importance to the game and yet is very, very interesting. I think she was planned to be exactly that, but then EA came along and told Bioware to make Javik the Bonus character because everyone would be buying him.

[Aisynia]

rockman0 wrote...

It was a real eye-opener. The way the Protheans were referred to in ME1 and 2, I always imagined them as this benevolent father-figure species that looked out for everyone else. In reality, they were the big bullies of the Milky Way during their time. Everyone put them up on a pedestal and romanticized them because they were so advanced and left so much technology for us.

Also, he would frustrating when he would try to criticize my tactics.

"In my time, when someone abandoned their post, we buried them up to their heads and let the birds pick their eyeball out of their sockets."

"Don't trust the synthetics."

"Do this. Do that."

I just wanted to tell him, "Yeah, Javik. How'd that work out for you. Didn't your species get wiped out or something."

But I didn't. Mainly because the game didn't let me, or he probably would have used Dark Channel on my Shepard.

He's giving you his opinion, but he still respects you enough to follow your orders and not act on any of that without your approval.

[sirisaacx]

rockman0 wrote...

sirisaacx wrote...

rockman0 wrote...

It was a real eye-opener. The way the Protheans were referred to in ME1 and 2, I always imagined them as this benevolent father-figure species that looked out for everyone else. In reality, they were the big bullies of the Milky Way during their time. Everyone put them up on a pedestal and romanticized them because they were so advanced and left so much technology for us.

Also, he would frustrating when he would try to criticize my tactics.

"In my time, when someone abandoned their post, we buried them up to their heads and let the birds pick their eyeball out of their sockets."

"Don't trust the synthetics."

"Do this. Do that."

I just wanted to tell him, "Yeah, Javik. How'd that work out for you. Didn't your species get wiped out or something."

But I didn't. Mainly because the game didn't let me, or he probably would have used Dark Channel on my Shepard.

Plus without the protheans our cycle would have been ****ed as well. If they'd had advance warning like we had they might have succeeded.

I thought they did. Didn't he say something about how plans for the Crucible were passed down to them from the species that came before them. They also knew that the Reapers had wiped out the Inusannon and those other weird names. I think he said their downfall was with the way they forced everyone to adopt their tactics and use their strategies.

Basically, during his cycle, the entire galaxy was fighting the same way because the Protheans forced them to. Anyone who felt otherwise were left to fight the Reapers alone.

I still liked the character though. I'm glad Bioware didn't paint them out to be this species that can never do wrong.

I meant that we had a 3 year period in which we KNEW the reapers were coming. We knew time was running out, and we needed to prepare. Or at least shepard and his team knew. I feel like if that had happened to the protheans, they might have kicked substantially more ass.

[MassStorm]

sirisaacx wrote...

I always wondered why they sent Javik though, and not a scientist. I mean, I guess I can understand, him being the Shepard of his cycle. But I can't help but feel an expert on the crucible would have been more helpful. That bugged me a little.

Because they wanted soldiers and officers to rebuild the Empire. Maybe there were scientists on the pods but they didn't survive

Modifié par MassStorm, 13 mars 2012 - 09:08 .

[Turran]

He is like a mix between Shepard and Sten.

I absolutely loved him, I was expecting Protheans to be as Liara described. The fact this one turned out to be more of a Sten/Shepard mash up was just brilliant, and made me realise that the past wasn't too different to the present.

"The lizard people evolved?" - Best convo ever..

[Dybia]

 I liked Javik as a character. He developed a good bit too. He especially had a good personality shift if you made him look into the echo shard. And then like almost everything else it was ruined by the endings. Him giving the echo shard to Shepard to impart his memories as a warrior into it? Pointless. Him vowing to visit the graves of his men and end his life there? Pointless. Protheans only seem to have a lifespan comparible to humans so he's trapped where he is forever.

[squidney2k1]

Javik is just a big fat ****head. Lol

I do enjoy him, though. Puts more "realist" notions to the theories about the Protheans, instead of them being this benevolent species that was better than every single species that ever lived. I appreciate his vengeful tone as a committed soldier who represents the result of the ultimate doom-and-gloom....even if he is a major Debbie Downer that I want to punch in the face sometimes with his "you are all beneath me and there is no hope" attitude.

[GhostlyMaiden]

Love him. He's the Fenris and Sten of this game. The guy who moans and complains about everything I do, but still offers perspective and makes me think over my ideals. Everybody else defers to Shepard, even the hostile ones like Jack and Wrex don't speak out as often as I'd like. I was also a little disappointed that he wasn't a LI. He's cute and I love his voice.

[Aisynia]

sirisaacx wrote...

I always wondered why they sent Javik though, and not a scientist. I mean, I guess I can understand, him being the Shepard of his cycle. But I can't help but feel an expert on the crucible would have been more helpful. That bugged me a little.

It's flat out said that Prothean society was utterly fractured at that point, and that different planets or groups had no idea what the others were doing. They even make direct reference to the ones at Ilos, who did try to preserve their scientists.

Javik's group was about one million strong, and were likely very diverse, but he was their leader. 300,000 pods were wiped out in the initial reaper attack, an attack that only happened because some of them were indoctrinated. The remaining 700,000 were supposed to wake up no more than a few centuries later, when the reapers were totally gone, but the neutron purge they initiated as the facility was locking down fired too early, or was more eventful than planned. The VI controlling the pods was damaged, the implication being it could no longer accurately scan for whether the reapers were gone or not. It then had to allocate resources and take pods offline to conserve power, just like Vigil did on Ilos.

On Ilos, where Vigil could tell when the reapers were gone, only a small handful of scientists survived this process, but they did finish the Conduit before they died off.

On Eden Prime, with no way to detect when the reapers had left, the VI there, Victory, had to take the other pods offline over time, until only Javik'ss was left. It's assumed that the base on Eden Prime had many more pods than the base on Ilos, and thus had enough reserve power to keep one pod in stasis for an extremely long time as Victory was forced to slowly triage the others.

The whole idea was for a million Protheans to wake up, probably from every walk of life, and build a new Prothean Empire in preparation for the reapers. In the end though, only Javik, the intended leader of this new empire, made it. There probably were scientists on Eden prime, but they died long ago.

Modifié par Aisynia, 13 mars 2012 - 09:24 .

[rockman0]

sirisaacx wrote...

rockman0 wrote...

sirisaacx wrote...

rockman0 wrote...

It was a real eye-opener. The way the Protheans were referred to in ME1 and 2, I always imagined them as this benevolent father-figure species that looked out for everyone else. In reality, they were the big bullies of the Milky Way during their time. Everyone put them up on a pedestal and romanticized them because they were so advanced and left so much technology for us.

Also, he would frustrating when he would try to criticize my tactics.

"In my time, when someone abandoned their post, we buried them up to their heads and let the birds pick their eyeball out of their sockets."

"Don't trust the synthetics."

"Do this. Do that."

I just wanted to tell him, "Yeah, Javik. How'd that work out for you. Didn't your species get wiped out or something."

But I didn't. Mainly because the game didn't let me, or he probably would have used Dark Channel on my Shepard.

Plus without the protheans our cycle would have been ****ed as well. If they'd had advance warning like we had they might have succeeded.

I thought they did. Didn't he say something about how plans for the Crucible were passed down to them from the species that came before them. They also knew that the Reapers had wiped out the Inusannon and those other weird names. I think he said their downfall was with the way they forced everyone to adopt their tactics and use their strategies.

Basically, during his cycle, the entire galaxy was fighting the same way because the Protheans forced them to. Anyone who felt otherwise were left to fight the Reapers alone.

I still liked the character though. I'm glad Bioware didn't paint them out to be this species that can never do wrong.

I meant that we had a 3 year period in which we KNEW the reapers were coming. We knew time was running out, and we needed to prepare. Or at least shepard and his team knew. I feel like if that had happened to the protheans, they might have kicked substantially more ass.

Ah. Gotcha. Yeah, I agree. They probably woudl have succeeded if they ahd as much time to prepare as we did. Then again, I'm kind of glad they didn't because then there'd be no Mass Effect.

[EmGo]

 I wasn't convinced at first but after some time... God I love him I would love to have him as LI.
He has great scenes, conversations, I love his sarcasm and acting all superior  I also love when he is doing his sexy curl lip, showing his awesome teeth and purring with his voice *sigh* He's s just dripping awesomeness:wub: give me some Prothean love, will you?

[sirisaacx]

Aisynia wrote...

sirisaacx wrote...

I always wondered why they sent Javik though, and not a scientist. I mean, I guess I can understand, him being the Shepard of his cycle. But I can't help but feel an expert on the crucible would have been more helpful. That bugged me a little.

It's flat out said that Prothean society was utterly fractured at that point, and that different planets or groups had no idea what the others were doing. They even make direct reference to the ones at Ilos, who did try to preserve their scientists.

Javik's group was about one million strong, and were likely very diverse, but he was their leader. 300,000 pods were wiped out in the initial reaper attack, an attack that only happened because some of them were indoctrinated. the remaining 700,000 were supposed to wake up no more than a few centuries later, when the reapers were totally gone, but the neutron purge they initated as the facility was locking down fired too early, or was more eventful than planned. The VI controlling the pods was damaged, the implication being it could no longer accurately scan for whether the reapers were gone or not. It then had to allocate resources and take pods offline to conserve power, just like Vigil did on Ilos.

On Ilos, where Vigil could tell when the reapers were gone, only a small handful of scientists survived this process, but they did finish the Conduit before they died off.

On Eden Prime, with way to detect when the reapers had left, the VI there, Victory, had to take the other pods offline over time, until only his was left. It's assumed that the base on Eden Prime had many more pods than the base on Ilos, and thus had enough reserve power to keep one pod in stasis for an extremely long time as it was forced to slowly triage the others.

The whole idea was for a million Protheans to wake up, probably from every walk of life, and build a new Prothean Empire in preparation for the reapers. In the end though, only he, the intended leader of this new empire, made it. there probably were scientists on Eden prime, but they died long ago.

Very in depth, thank you.

[DrowNoble]

Javik the character is very average. The story around him is pretty good. This is opposite of Kasumi, she was a great squadmate in ME2 but her story was short and boring.

[feeqmatic]

Anyone else notice Javik's inexplicably Sub Saharan African Accent?


I thought that was a cool and interesting thematic element considering that he is an "originator" of sorts. It also belies the brutality that was often present in tribal and developed African Kingdoms.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

He's nice, he's just totally clueless, which makes for all the jokes with him.

Javik struck me as mean, but only due to his seriousness about the Reapers. He pretty much changes his tone at the drop of a hat when addressing the crowd at the Citadel, so it's not like he doesn't understand the value of empathy.

I still don't like his accent that much, though I'm not sure what kind of voice I'd give him.

[Niniva]

Hated him at first, thought he was a total ass.

Grew to like him.

Hes like the Sten of ME3.