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[aimlessgun]

I honestly think it's more likely that Mac Walters does not know about these odds, and if he did, he wouldn't care. Everything bows down to his grand vision. 

Modifié par aimlessgun, 13 mars 2012 - 09:51 .

[Pottumuusi]

Poor Joker is trying to escape the ending.

[sorentoft]

Now let us figure out how they will build a colony.

ok, i am a bad bad raptor

[Markusini]

I just thought of something. The mass relay in Arrival (DLC) exploded like a supernova. In the end of ME3 we can see how the mass relay in sol system is exploding and possibly causing a supernova explosion, wiping out our entire solar system in the process. This is the only plausible explanation I can think of why Joker was fleeing Earth.

[Had-to-say]

Pottumuusi wrote...

Poor Joker is trying to escape the ending.

This is the best post I have read this year it's just so perfect.

[CptData]

Mesina2 wrote...

Why did you even bother to do that math?

Cause:
1. Why is Normandy at Charon Relay anyway?
2. Why did my crew left me? What pricks!
3. Why is Joker struggling to escape that plot hole? Using Mass Relays is an instant travel from one destination to another.

Not entirely "instant" but pretty close. However, doesn't really matter since the distance between Sol and Arcturus is just 35 ly or something, so it's pretty much instant travel. Also I doubt you can do ANYTHING while being in transit - so the Normandy was FTL traveling maybe? If that's the cause, why did she got caught by the blast of the "space magic"? And how could she travel more than just a few lightdays?

It still proves that Shepard is experience hallucinations and making up stuff in his/her mind ... right?

[Lambchopz]

CptData wrote...

Sure.

Now when did ME leave the "Plausible SciFi"-section and became a "Fairy Tale"?
Hang on ...



... I almost have it ...



... yup: when Shepard died and got brought back as an intact human being without brain damage after entering an athmosphere, getting reduced to some bones with very few soft organic tissue left.

Kinda. Right?

Hey, that's pretty much the same time when BW got funded by EA.

Well, that was still fairly believeable under very loose science. At least it was presented in a sciency way and was comprehendable as a science related.. ressurection. Pretty much all sci-fi has this in it, not uncommon for ridiculous things like this to happen and be explained as "lol, future". Still works as sci-fi.

Where they officially crossed into fantasy was the ending, no doubt about that. There's a reason the whole ending feels completely disconnected. It makes zero sense, no matter how hard you want it to.

[Thomas Abram]

Interesting post - As mentioned it is pretty similar the topic linked and this may possibly roll into an endings discussion. This is a very interesting thread so let's keep it on topic.

[yukon fire]

Finding logic and reasoning in that... "thing" is pretty unreasonable, yes the odds are low that the planet the Normandy crashed on was some beat the odds bordering on magic planet that provides all their needs (example: food for both Amino and Dextro crewmen). Why even add that it actually ticks me off more that that was added because Bioware thought that it ADDED SOMETHING, it doesn't. Would have been better off to leave me wondering.

Modifié par yukon fire, 13 mars 2012 - 11:13 .

[brain_damage]

This hurts me

[NPH11]

Clearly it was the space magic.

[CptData]

Thomas Abram wrote...

Interesting post - As mentioned it is pretty similar the topic linked and this may possibly roll into an endings discussion. This is a very interesting thread so let's keep it on topic.

That pretty much ennobles this thread, thank you

Lambchopz wrote...

CptData wrote...

Sure.

Now when did ME leave the "Plausible SciFi"-section and became a "Fairy Tale"?
Hang on ...
*snip*

Well, that was still fairly believeable under very loose science. At least it was presented in a sciency way and was comprehendable as a science related.. ressurection. Pretty much all sci-fi has this in it, not uncommon for ridiculous things like this to happen and be explained as "lol, future". Still works as sci-fi.

Where they officially crossed into fantasy was the ending, no doubt about that. There's a reason the whole ending feels completely disconnected. It makes zero sense, no matter how hard you want it to.

You're right. It's pretty much scratching the very extreme edges of "loose science fiction" to use your words. However, the rest of your post works for me perfectly:

Regardless of lore issues and plot holes, BW tried to make that universe plausible as possible. ME1 was pretty much "lifelike" and could work as -real- universe. The only non-science part was Element Zero which simply can't exist: if it has ZERO protons, ZERO electrons and ZERO neutrons, it's ... nothing. It doesn't exist.
However, it's a fictional element that makes FTL drive and everything else possible.

ME2 tried to be close to ME1 in that field (lets ignore some lore changes like thermal clips) for most parts of the story. And so did ME3. The endings however, feel, like you say, quite disconnected. Really disconnected - like a dream would feel, or a hallucination. It's composed of stuff you know from daily routine and still feels entirely different.

There are only few things important for Shepard: the Normandy, the crew of the Normandy and the LI.

- the Normandy, since she's his/her home
- the Normandy's crew, since all those men and women are his/her family
- the LI - for obvious reasons.

Shepard lost pretty much everyone else (parents in 2 of 3 starting points and it's not very likely his/her mom survived the final battle), so the Normandy and his/her friends are the only things of importance for him/her.

That's why he's dreaming / hallucinating the Normandy somehow escaped the battke and survived an impact on a Garden World - and of course, everyone is alive. It's just a dream since it's nearly impossible to happen, at least as long as we pretend the ME universe is still pretty close to "real" science fiction and the Endings are dreams / hallucinations of a dying Shepard.

Modifié par CptData, 13 mars 2012 - 11:18 .

[kbct]

So, you're telling me there is a chance it could happen?

-or-

Never tell me the odds!

[Sledge454]

"Never tell me the odds!"
- Han Solo

[IncKursion]

Can anyone provide a source that suggests the Normandy was at the Charon relay? I always thought that Mass Relay travel was instant (as stated in the ME Wiki), and that the Normandy was just using regular FTL to get away from Earth.

If the Normandy had just jumped into FTL (and can't have been travelling for more than a minute or so), then that easily puts them on a planet within the Local Cluster. At which point, couldn't they just use the FTL Comms to signal Earth to get picked up?

Modifié par IncKursion, 13 mars 2012 - 11:21 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Interesting idea. If I was sure Bioware was thinking that in depth, it would be a no-brainer. However, I'm just worried they weren't.

[merc1less]

IncKursion wrote...

Can anyone provide a source that suggests the Normandy was at the Charon relay? I always thought that Mass Relay travel was instant, and that the Normandy was just using regular FTL to get away from Earth.

If the Normandy had just jumped into FTL (and can't have been travelling for more than a minute or so), then that easily puts them on a planet within the Local Cluster. At which point, couldn't they just use the FTL Comms to signal Earth to get picked up?

If the Normandy got immobilized, anything else in the system should be too....

[Fail_Inc]

Arppis wrote...

It's a fairytale, ofcourse it meets all those criteria.

Rockpopple wrote...

I think you may be overthinking this a tad.

And this.

NO IT'S NOT A FAIRY TALE IT'S A MATURE-DARK-GRIM-ARTSY-EDGY-PHILOSOPHICAL SCI-FI GAME!11!

[Korhiann]

CptData wrote...
That pretty much ennobles this thread, thank you

The plot thickens "puffs on pipe"

[IncKursion]

merc1less wrote...

If the Normandy got immobilized, anything else in the system should be too....

I'm sure the Normandy would have enough supplies to last a few days while the ships at Earth make repairs, they wouldn't be stranded for very long. The shockwave couldn't be too disrupting, as in 2 of the 3 endings the Reapers just fly away.

[Bladewinger]

 Has anyone else seen this post from BW on a question about the ending?

http://social.biowar...ex/9872108&lf=8

[Tigerjunky]

I agree this is very interesting and Im beginning to believe this endings thing more and more.. about dreaming or being indoctrinated. Im hoping if they are false maybe Bioware will at least act on them? And I'm sure the odds are much much..LESS in the Normandy's favor. Good post

[merc1less]

Bladewinger wrote...

 Has anyone else seen this post from BW on a question about the ending?

http://social.biowar...ex/9872108&lf=8

Yes!
I also think they are leading/directing us into/towards something ....

Modifié par merc1less, 13 mars 2012 - 11:37 .

[CptData]

IncKursion wrote...

Can anyone provide a source that suggests the Normandy was at the Charon relay? I always thought that Mass Relay travel was instant (as stated in the ME Wiki), and that the Normandy was just using regular FTL to get away from Earth.

If the Normandy had just jumped into FTL (and can't have been travelling for more than a minute or so), then that easily puts them on a planet within the Local Cluster. At which point, couldn't they just use the FTL Comms to signal Earth to get picked up?

Nearly instant, as I pointed out before. However, the distance between Charon Relay and Arcturus Relay is approx 35 lightyears which is -really- short compared to most paths between Mass Relays. So you can consider it as "instant".

However, there's also something denying the FTL escape theory: the Normandy is clearly visible without that distinctive "red-blue-shift tunnel" ... so she can't be in FTL transit.
And even IF she's using FTL drive, she can't go that far: afaik FTL drives can travel 10 - 12 lightyears a day, while the Normandy was in transit for not more than a few minutes. She didn't even made a full lightyear - and afaik we don't have any star systems just few lightdays nearby.

So it's neither Mass transit nor FTL transit ... right?
Another "evidence" for the theory "it's all in Shepard's brain".

[devSin]

CptData wrote...

So I can say it's very likely Shepard's last thoughts are with the Normandy. S/he simply wants to believe the Normandy made it out alive somehow. That's why Shepard's final squad gets "beamed up" and step out of the hatch - because Shepard wants to believe that. It's comforting him/her in the dying moment.

If all it was was a comforting dream, then why wouldn't it simply be the Reapers dying/leaving and the crew and squad standing victorious on the battlefield.

Shepard is going a bit far afield if the comforting thought just before death is the Normandy being piloted out of the Sol system at the front of a giant beam of energy to crash on some remote planet.