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[DarkBladeX98]

Thomas Abram wrote...

Interesting post - As mentioned it is pretty similar the topic linked and this may possibly roll into an endings discussion. This is a very interesting thread so let's keep it on topic.

whoa. ^^BioWare^^
If my Commander is truly lying in the rubble hanging on to a thread of life, I'll just get Miranda to put me back together again:D

[Aedan276]

Pottumuusi wrote...

Poor Joker is trying to escape the ending.

Joker: GOT TO GET OUT!!! GOT TO GET OUT!!!

[Kronner]

 Interesting post that could explain that scene. I really hope you are right, OP.

[kramerfan86]

The probability is laughably slim, horribly horribly slim.

[IncKursion]

I took a quick look back at ME2, and the Omega 4 Relay jump was almost (but not quite) instant (as CptData suggests above). Seeing as the Charon Relay only links to Arcturus, that would mean that at most the Normandy is only a few days travel (at FTL speeds) from Earth. It would only take a week or so to get a response from an FTL distress call.

Modifié par IncKursion, 13 mars 2012 - 11:34 .

[Marixus99.9]

CptData wrote...

Sure.

Now when did ME leave the "Plausible SciFi"-section and became a "Fairy Tale"?
Hang on ...



... I almost have it ...



... yup: when Shepard died and got brought back as an intact human being without brain damage after entering an athmosphere, getting reduced to some bones with very few soft organic tissue left.

Kinda. Right?

Hey, that's pretty much the same time when BW got funded by EA.

I thought it was that way from the start with the wonderful Jedi Biotic powers.

[CptData]

devSin wrote...

CptData wrote...

So I can say it's very likely Shepard's last thoughts are with the Normandy. S/he simply wants to believe the Normandy made it out alive somehow. That's why Shepard's final squad gets "beamed up" and step out of the hatch - because Shepard wants to believe that. It's comforting him/her in the dying moment.

If all it was was a comforting dream, then why wouldn't it simply be the Reapers dying/leaving and the crew and squad standing victorious on the battlefield.

Shepard is going a bit far afield if the comforting thought just before death is the Normandy being piloted out of the Sol system at the front of a giant beam of energy to crash on some remote planet.

Now, that's a really good question - and I think it got discussed in the thread I was pointing at in the OP.

Some people believe Shepard also got indoctrinated in the end. I'm not sure if I support this theory or not, but since it doesn't change anything in my theory, I leave it up to you.

However, I present you both paths to my theory:

- Shepard is indoctrinated
The dream where s/he decides for one of the three solutions is symbolizing his/her final struggle with the indoctrination. Two of three options preserve the Reapers and symbolize TIM's and Saren's way how to deal with the Reapers. One wanted to control them, the other one wanted to become a hybrid of organics and synthetics.
It's obvious the Reapers prefer those solutions over "Destruction".
The only way out for Shepard - and defeating the indoctrination - is to go for "Destruction".

- Shepard is NOT indoctrinated
Sometimes we have partial control over our dreams. Shepard simply could hallucinatiing anything what's happening after s/he got hit by Harby's beam while dying. S/he has some control over that dream and can go for whatever solution s/he wants. Again: only the "Destruction" Ending allows him/her to live because the other endings vaporize his/her body (or soul, so to speak).

In the end it doesn't matter which path is valid since Shepard IS dying (or very close to dying) and the entire stuff happens in his/her brain - including the Normandy's escape.

[Vaktathi]

 It's an interesting theory, and one I like, however as with all fiction, it's a work of fiction, and even those low (admittedly even astronomically too high) odds aren't enough to break the suspension of disbelief that it's actually what happens. 

That said, hopefully this theory turns out to be close to the truth once any expansion/DLC/etc content comes out.


Though that would then mean that we then purchased an unfinished game. 

[DarkSpider88]

@OP
If I am reading you're post correctly it was his dying dream? Can I ask why he would add the options of control and synthesize the reapers? Also if it is a dying comforting dream why would he kill off Anderson? Lastly what about the ending where Shepard breathes in the end?

This is valid because you're idea is asking us, for him to be rational enough to control his dreams and irrational enough to create the Star Child at the same time?

Not trying to start anything just curious how these play into your idea. As I said I could be missing the point.

Modifié par DarkSpider88, 13 mars 2012 - 11:43 .

[Bladewinger]

I dont know what the problems is for the most? It is clear that this was a Hallucination/Indoctrination,
and that gives me hope for a dlc or whatever. And i truly must say if they giving use a dlc with the content after the awakening, it would be a masterpiece! But without that it just leaves a hole

[merc1less]

DarkBladeX98 wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

Interesting post - As mentioned it is pretty similar the topic linked and this may possibly roll into an endings discussion. This is a very interesting thread so let's keep it on topic.

whoa. ^^BioWare^^
If my Commander is truly lying in the rubble hanging on to a thread of life, I'll just get Miranda to put me back together again:D

Like I said (page 1), that's the second time those alien bastards.....oh sorry wrong line

the 2nd time I see a mod in here leading/directing to a topic on a halucination/indoctrination/etc. theory

Modifié par merc1less, 13 mars 2012 - 11:47 .

[Bladewinger]

merc1less wrote...

Like I said (page 1), that's the second time those alien bastards.....oh sorry wrong line

the 2nd time I see a mod in here leading/directing to a topic on a halucination/indoctrination/etc. theory

http://social.biowar...ex/9872108&lf=8

The other one is behind this link 

Modifié par Bladewinger, 13 mars 2012 - 11:49 .

[Seraphithan]

IncKursion wrote...

Can anyone provide a source that suggests the Normandy was at the Charon relay? I always thought that Mass Relay travel was instant (as stated in the ME Wiki), and that the Normandy was just using regular FTL to get away from Earth.

If the Normandy had just jumped into FTL (and can't have been travelling for more than a minute or so), then that easily puts them on a planet within the Local Cluster. At which point, couldn't they just use the FTL Comms to signal Earth to get picked up?

To reach Proxima Centauri, closest star to our solar system, the Normandy would have to travel 8 hours at max FTL. They must be using the relay network to reach a garden world in any sensible timeframe.

[KadivyaSky]

I will, for one, would be furious if they release an actual ending to the game that should have been IN the game and charge people for it. We already paid for an ending to the series in buying the game.

I will HOPE they aren't planning anything like that. I would prefer to finish the story (as I should have been able to already) rather than be left hanging as I am now.

[CptData]

DarkSpider88 wrote...

@OP
If I am reading you're post correctly it was his dying dream? Can I ask why he would add the options of control and synthesize the reapers? Also if it is a dying comforting dream why would he kill off Anderson? Lastly what about the ending where Shepard breathes in the end?

This is valid because you're idea is asking us, for him to be rational enough to control his dreams and irrational enough to create the Star Child at the same time?

Not trying to start anything just curious how these play into your idea. As I said I could be missing the point.

Think I answered most of your questions here already.

The "star child" is either a manifestation of the indoctrination IF Shepard got indoctrinated or just the irrational part of Shepard's "semi-controlled" dream. Both interpretations work - Shepard is dreaming frequently of this kid, so it's not surprising it gets a role in Shepard's "dying dream".

Just keep in mind dreams are usually composed from stuff you experienced in your life. The heavier the impact of an event, object or person, the more you dream of that certain one or parts of it. In Shepard's case, it's the kid. And of course the Normandy ...

Modifié par CptData, 13 mars 2012 - 11:56 .

[Dr_Hello]

idunhavaname wrote...

But sweet garden of eden metaphor!!

*shoots self*

Agreed. The OP is forgetting it's a work of fiction, science-fiction. If OP is right, then how come most of the planets Shepard and team visit have similar gravitational force to Earth's ?! What's the probability of that? 1 in a zillion?!

The Normandy scene on unknown planet is indeed more of a metaphor: garden of Eden... Adam and Eve archetypes... which frankly I didn't like. Feels too easy (to write)... let's hope it's all just a dream or nightmare and Shepard wakes up from the rubble, if/after passed the indoctrination trial, to therefore resume the fight (in BW's next intended DLC). That! would be ingenious game writing. Never been done before.

Modifié par Dr_Hello, 13 mars 2012 - 11:58 .

[IncKursion]

Seraphithan wrote...
To reach Proxima Centauri, closest star to our solar system, the Normandy would have to travel 8 hours at max FTL. They must be using the relay network to reach a garden world in any sensible timeframe.

Seeing as Arcturus is only 36LY away from Earth, this easily puts the Normandy within a reasonable FTL travelling distance.

Hell, even if their FTL comms were damaged, they could just send a regular radio message. It wouldn't get picked up for 30-odd years, but for someone like Liara that's not a huge amount of time. Between living for 900 years on the garden world, or 30 years then getting rescued, I know what I'd pick.

[Nuke1967]

I just finished the game today and IMO the ending just made no sense period. As many people pointed out in a lot of different threads I read why was the Normandy running? Joker had time to land pick up everyone and high tail it away from Earth thinking "Oh well Shepard is toast time to run". If your choices wind up not mattering at all in the finale, why bother having them at all?

I think the Mass Effect universe can really be a great franchise and go different directions. And I keep hearing movie, but I believe  that in no way would that be an ending to a Mass Effect movie franchise if one is made.

[Archereon]

CptData wrote...

Sure.

Now when did ME leave the "Plausible SciFi"-section and became a "Fairy Tale"?
Hang on ...



... I almost have it ...



... yup: when Shepard died and got brought back as an intact human being without brain damage after entering an athmosphere, getting reduced to some bones with very few soft organic tissue left.

Kinda. Right?

Hey, that's pretty much the same time when BW got funded by EA.

On this topic, I think your stats are a bit low. One in a septillion or whatever you got would be my personal guess at how unlikely it would be for the Normandy to be in such an exact velocity in respect to the adjacent planet so as not to send Shepard hurtling into deep space or crashing into the planet at a thousand kilometers per hour, or even pulled into orbit and shredded to such fine paste that the reapers wouldn't even bother with him by the micrometeorites the Normandy's wreckage would undoubtedly make.

You can't really fall from orbit after all, since orbiting is basically falling without hitting anything.

The odds of Joker and the crew ending up where they did intact and alive are beyond ludicrous. Even with some optiistic assumptions (Joker was aiming for a system with a garden world and running like a coward ect). I don't even want to try to do any back of the envelope calculations. 

Considering how Mass Relays work (accelerate people to ludicrous speed then deccelerate them.) , I'm surprised the Normandy didn't crash into that planet with a high enough KE to ram straight through.

[Spectre_Shepard]

See, Bioware?

The basic mathematical parameters of the universe defy your ending.

Congratulations on dividing by zero.

[Archereon]

CptData wrote...

DarkSpider88 wrote...

@OP
If I am reading you're post correctly it was his dying dream? Can I ask why he would add the options of control and synthesize the reapers? Also if it is a dying comforting dream why would he kill off Anderson? Lastly what about the ending where Shepard breathes in the end?

This is valid because you're idea is asking us, for him to be rational enough to control his dreams and irrational enough to create the Star Child at the same time?

Not trying to start anything just curious how these play into your idea. As I said I could be missing the point.

Think I answered most of your questions here already.

The "star child" is either a manifestation of the indoctrination IF Shepard got indoctrinated or just the irrational part of Shepard's "semi-controlled" dream. Both interpretations work - Shepard is dreaming frequently of this kid, so it's not surprising it gets a role in Shepard's "dying dream".

Just keep in mind dreams are usually composed from stuff you experienced in your life. The heavier the impact of an event, object or person, the more you dream of that certain one or parts of it. In Shepard's case, it's the kid. And of course the Normandy ...

Or maybe the Reaper god is just bad writing.

[Jadebaby]

Had-to-say wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

Poor Joker is trying to escape the ending.

This is the best post I have read this year it's just so perfect.

This, oh this. The thing I found most concerning is that Joker is unharmed after crashing the normandy.

[vigna]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

Add the odds that joker would be able to walk out of the crash without broken bones.

^^^This.....

[CptData]

Archereon wrote...

Or maybe the Reaper god is just bad writing.

^ that's always an option: rushed endings & bad writing. It had happened before, so why shouldn't it be the case this time, Archereon?

However, I try to pretend BW did it on a purpose. Don't ask me why and which purpose, but it may support the theories regarding the game's finale.

Modifié par CptData, 14 mars 2012 - 12:04 .

[Manou1]

Space magic.