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[Rockpopple]

I still think you're overthinking this a tad.

I think all discussions of "sci-fi realism" were rendered moot with the introduction of Reapers: Eldritch horrors from dark space that could create limitless energy from apparently nothing, travel hundreds of millions of lightyears at speeds that exceed any FTL drive in existence without the use of Mass (suddenly the name escapes me. You know, the ones you need to actually leave your system), again, with no discernable energy source, that even when dead can still control the minds of anyone near it and drive them to madness, but still be killed by a lot of missiles.

Come on. The Reapers "reaped" the idea of sci-fi realism from the get-go. To me this was a mix of Science Fantasy and Science Fiction. In other words, while a lot of things make sense in the realm of physics, there was still a bit of space magic here and there (re: Reapers)

Modifié par Rockpopple, 14 mars 2012 - 12:11 .

[Eumerin]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Had-to-say wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

Poor Joker is trying to escape the ending.

This is the best post I have read this year it's just so perfect.

This, oh this. The thing I found most concerning is that Joker is unharmed after crashing the normandy.

Seat belts save lives.



No one else is even limping, so Joker relatively unharmed doesn't seem out of the question.



And as far as the mathmatical numbers are concerned, there's one single rule that should never be forgotten when dealing with fiction.

To steal an idea from Terry Pratchett, the rules of the universe (i.e. fun narrative fiction) state that a 1 in a million chance is infinitely more likely to occur than a 1 in 900,000 chance.

[Aedan276]

 I can't believe I'm starting to believe in the Indoctrination theory. 

[Meshaber]

Wouldn't the mass relays be located (statistically) in places where the odds of finding life are more likely?

[kbct]

I'm more curious as to why Thomas Abram of BioWare would find this to be a very interesting thread. I wonder if he just likes the mathematical approach or if he is hinting at something?

I'm not sure if a hallucination fix to the ending will be well received.

[SolidisusSnake1]

CptData wrote...

Sure.

Now when did ME leave the "Plausible SciFi"-section and became a "Fairy Tale"?
Hang on ...



... I almost have it ...



... yup: when Shepard died and got brought back as an intact human being without brain damage after entering an athmosphere, getting reduced to some bones with very few soft organic tissue left.

Kinda. Right?

Hey, that's pretty much the same time when BW got funded by EA.

Pretty much.

[UnbornLeviathan]

Math makes debate all the more interesting.

[eoinnx03]

Yeah i think you are giving Bioware way too much credit.

[FeralEwok]

Never tell me the odds!

[xeNNN]

so many 0's 0.o

[Konges]

FeralEwok wrote...

Never tell me the odds!

HAHAHAHAA Your Profile photo!

[Batarian_Army]

I think THIS theory makes sense...but then...WHAT is the ending then????? No ending? That would make the things not better...

[Thornne]

There's a basic assumption being made that might not be true. That the people in the ending Normandy crash are alive.

What if this scene is more of a 'farewell to the fallen' sort of thing. The people who you assumed died at the conduit on Earth are suddenly with Joker climbing out of the Normandy on a beautiful garden planet?

Modifié par Thornne, 14 mars 2012 - 01:25 .

[Grimord]

Good post!

Though, what really "convinces" me the most is the squad. Even if they survived the blast, how the hell are they healthy and fine already?

What if they survived the blast unscathed? Why would they just run away and leave Shepard there to die? Plus, you do hear on the comm that everyone got beamed...

[JamesYHT]

Don't bother to use math.
If i know these bastards just abandon me and run for their life. i'd kill them before i join the battle.

at least we died in the same place....

Modifié par JamesYHT, 14 mars 2012 - 01:23 .

[tute]

None of you get it. Argh Space Magic is da ****. Its better than crack, clouds your mind and nothing makes sense, then stuff starts making sense yo!

On a more serious tone, to the post that mentions element zero being fiction: element zero is based on a real life element whose atomic weight equals zero. Dont know the name but its been a while since ive taken physics and chemistry.













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I am a biotic god. Fear me.

[Madecologist]

CptData wrote...

*snip*

Now multiply the numbers and you get an idea how unlikely the fate of the Normandy truly is.
It's this number: 1 : 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

And I'm not even working with real numbers here. It's most likely that number gets additional zeros ... but that doesn't matter. It's just that: the fate of the Normandy is almost as unlikely as the existence of our universe. However, our universe exists (otherwise, we couldn't argue about ME3's endings) - but given the fact the universe doesn't play by the rules since it MADE the rules, I can say it's very, very, very unlikely the Normandy ends on a Garden World intact after getting pulled out of transit while losing engines at the same time.
It's THAT unlikely.

So I can say it's very likely Shepard's last thoughts are with the Normandy. S/he simply wants to believe the Normandy made it out alive somehow. That's why Shepard's final squad gets "beamed up" and step out of the hatch - because Shepard wants to believe that. It's comforting him/her in the dying moment.


Forgive any grammar issues ...

I know in the Synthesis ending EDI always seemed ot be the second person to exit the Normandy. Which leads more credence to your theory. What represents Synthesis the most in all of Shepard's experiences? The Quarian and Geth becoming allied (does not apply to every Shepard, nore are they his crew or related to the Normandy). or the relationship between Joker and EDI. Which is part of your crew and ship. So when Shepard chooses Synthesis he thinks of the first example of Synthesis happening... EDI and Joker.

That said, your odds are 1:10^23. still far from being a googol. But still very impressive.

Modifié par Madecologist, 14 mars 2012 - 01:45 .

[CptData]

tute wrote...

None of you get it. Argh Space Magic is da ****. Its better than crack, clouds your mind and nothing makes sense, then stuff starts making sense yo!

On a more serious tone, to the post that mentions element zero being fiction: element zero is based on a real life element whose atomic weight equals zero. Dont know the name but its been a while since ive taken physics and chemistry.

Okay.

The first element in the periodic system is hydrogen (H). The basic form of hydrogen consists of a proton and an electron - that's it. As soon you have a neutron in the atom's core, you have deuterium and two neutrons make it to tritium. For fusion, you need deuterium or tritium.

The next element is helium (He).

Now, Eezo is stated to be placed LEFT of (H) while helium is found RIGHT of (H).
If (H) has at least one proton and one electron, what do you think is left if substract both to get Eezo? Right. Nothing ...

Eezo does not exist. It's the Dilitihium of Mass Effect, so to speak.

[NSGM]

Regardless of the odds presented, I imagined a different path through which the team members were saved and the crew made it to the planet alive. The basic premise is this:

The Catalyst and Mass Relay network combined form a network which consists of an incredibly advanced organic AI with the ability to rework the framework of the universe. Shepherd is given a chance to interact with this AI in both the control and synthesis endings. Therefore, it seems logical that if the AI and Shepherd can change all life into a meld of synthetic and organics, Shepherd could choose to save those of his friends still alive and give them a safe haven.

This would obviously involve healing and/or teleporting squadmates from the base of Harbinger's attack to the Normandy itself and then manipulating the pulse sent out by the relays to form a mass free channel to a garden world planet.

Like I said, given that the Catalyst is powerful enough to change the nature of life itself, control the Reapers and or destroy all synthetic life, it stands to reason that it is capable to manipulating space in other ways. Giving the Normandy safe passage seems relatively easy, whereas healing/teleporting teammates might be a stretch.

This is a sci-fi universe where things like Biotics exist, who knows what an organic AI that is hundreds of thousands if not millions of years old could do.

If ending really was a dream and shepherd is dead and this is revealed through a dlc, it's EA's craptastic dirty-work similar to how they wanted another boss in DAII and therefore made what's his face turn to Blood Magic and become a big blob.

Modifié par NSGM, 14 mars 2012 - 02:22 .

[CptData]

NSGM: you get a point in so far that our magic device is incredible powerful: it CAN change anything, at least in our galaxy: destroying the Reapers & the Network, Merging synthetics and organics etc.

Just one issue: why should that magic device's AI bother with the Normandy's fate? It's just one tiny ship of thousands with more or less significant characters. Dunno why, but it's as unlikely as the random crashlanding on a Garden World ...

[NSGM]

@ CptData:

I assumed that it bothers with the fate of the Normandy and said characters because of the fact that it REQUIRES Shepherd to complete its task and says that it is giving shepherd the freedom to make the choice. Given that Shepherd must somehow interact with the Catalyst, atleast in the Control ending, it stands to reason that Shepherd can control the process, atleast in some part. It's really the only way I could imagine the Normandy crash landing on the garden world.

** I think I  remember something about Synthesis involving the Catalyst using Shepherd as a template for the organic/synthetic version of the universe. If I'm not imagining it, this is another piece of evidence that Shepherd interacts in some manner with the "magic" that spreads from the mass relays.

Another thought: Given what happens to the normandy due to the beam of magic, what happens to every other ship, station and other piece of technology that requires some kind of power to keep itself in orbit. Does the beam either destroy or strand everyone that is currently onboard a ship at the time of its activation, or do you imagine that the beam lowers in intensity the further away from the catalyst itself further explaining why Earth is destroyed in some endings, but there is no mention of other planets being burnt out of the sky.

MORE:

One of the small differences in the endings is the amount of or lack of destruction to earth when the Reapers are destroyed. Now this is controlled by your War Assets, but I cannot think of a causal connection between the strength of the fleet and how much of Earth is barbequed other than how well your protect the Catalyst prior to it being delivered. Given that the Catalyst doesn't seem to place much effort in saving individual organic lives, what motivation would it have to save Earth? Maybe it wants to save it to "Reap" it, but given the endings, I find it easier to believe that the reason Earth is spared with a high number of War Assets is because Shepherd him/herself controls the beam of magic to varying degrees depending on how damaged the station is. Maybe I'm wrong and the catalyst is just damaged with lower assets and this causes the destruction indirectly, but I'd like to think that the less damaged it is, the more control Shepherd has, and this is the reason that certain endings unlock at certain points and why Earth is spared with enough points.

Modifié par NSGM, 14 mars 2012 - 02:42 .

[Lambda Diamond]

more proof why the ending sucks

[AlcyoneNoth]

Mesina2 wrote...

Why did you even bother to do that math?

Cause:
1. Why is Normandy at Charon Relay anyway?
2. Why did my crew left me? What pricks!
3. Why is Joker struggling to escape that plot hole? Using Mass Relays is an instant travel from one destination to another.

Precisely this. None of it makes any sense to begin with. The last time I saw Liara she was with me on the final mission before I got knocked unconscious, then somehow she ended up on the Normandy after it crashed out in the middle of nowhere.

[SpectreVerner]

Well, the synthesis ending could handwave that the added cybernetics could make organics hardier and able to live on hostile planets.

[tute]

[QUOTE] Okay.

The first element in the periodic system is hydrogen (H). The basic form of hydrogen consists of a proton and an electron - that's it. As soon you have a neutron in the atom's core, you have deuterium and two neutrons make it to tritium. For fusion, you need deuterium or tritium.

The next element is helium (He).

Now, Eezo is stated to be placed LEFT of (H) while helium is found RIGHT of (H).
If (H) has at least one proton and one electron, what do you think is left if substract both to get Eezo? Right. Nothing ...

Eezo does not exist. It's the Dilitihium of Mass Effect, so to speak. [QUOTE]

I didnt say it existed, I said eezo is based on the real life concept of neutron-degenerate matter considered to be in the cores of neutron stars. Eezo is fictional