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[gxkrizard]

Imagine that you see big explosion going in your direction. I mean the one that can destroy Earth, before Crucible even shoots. If it is harmless, then Shepard probably is alive (at least that's what Joker may think) and can be saved later. But if it can destroy the ship, then it's Joker's responsibility to make sure his crew survive. It's not like he need to stay there and wait for death, because Shepard isn't on board. So he escapes through mass relay, and then we know what's happening.

Prove me wrong.

[MrPuschel]

gxkrizard wrote...

Prove me wrong.

SPACE MAGIC!

[Kingthlayer]

Based on what we learned in Mass Effect 1 and 2, Joker isn't a coward. He'll fight to the death, he would never run away.

You're proven wrong.

[cactusberry]

How does Joker get from Earth to Charon that fast?

[Unit-Alpha]

You realize the other ships survived, right?

He crashed because he was in the relay at the time.

[Taleroth]

A plothole is not something that is impossible. A plot hole is something that goes unexplained, and the unexplained element is crucial to understanding the plot.

It is never explained the Joker thinks the crucible firing is a threat. In fact, we have nothing to indicate he outruns the initial blast, either. Or that he even can.

[MPSai]

TheDarkRats wrote...

How does Joker get from Earth to Charon that fast?

Exactly. If he is going through the relay it's all the way past Pluto. And why was no one else fleeing with them?

[MattFini]

gxkrizard wrote...

Imagine that you see big explosion going in your direction. I mean the one that can destroy Earth, before Crucible even shoots. If it is harmless, then Shepard probably is alive (at least that's what Joker may think) and can be saved later. But if it can destroy the ship, then it's Joker's responsibility to make sure his crew survive. It's not like he need to stay there and wait for death, because Shepard isn't on board. So he escapes through mass relay, and then we know what's happening.

Prove me wrong.

Nice try, Lao Che.

[Beatrix Tair]

What big explosion?

There is no explosion until Shepard makes a choice, at which point there's what, all but seconds?

Even then, how did Joker pick up the squad mates from the conduit?

[revo76]

You're wrong. He obviously came back to the beam to take our crew, if he's afraid of explosion, he would run the hell away to the relay. Instead he had enough time to pick sqmates.

PS: There are secret dialogues in the game itself that showed Normandy fought with Harbinger or some kind of reaper.

[BIO18]

well one thing to prove you wrong is how the hell did guarrus get on my ship, when I saw him dead on the ground.

[Greed1914]

We shouldn't have to assume that, though. It wouldn't have taken much to see the explosion, see Joker's reaction, and then see him trying to escape it. And the best part is they could recycle it three times.

The absolute worst time to go from point A to point B without drawing a line between the points is in the conclusion.

[STAR_KILLER423]

Except all your squad mates were on Earth and wouldn't have had time to get to the Normandy and fly off trying to out run the explosion...

[Neuthung]

Why would he just leave? Joker is no coward. How do dead crewmates end up on board? I know for damn sure Liara wouldn't leave my shep. Why would his first thought be "better get to the relay?" It doesn't make sense because it isn't consistent with any other event in the series.

[Tsantilas]

How did he get to a relay fast enough to enter the relay system before everything went boom? The relay itself is nowhere near earth. How's that?

[Stalker]

The Plot-Hole part actually is, that he gets away with all your magically teleported mates.

That he flees at all is just unlikely, but no real Plot-Hole.

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

 Space Magic causes normally brave soldiers to run from battle, after they return to Earth to pick up soldiers who were all given orders to make it to the conduit no matter what the losses.  Everyone knows that.  
Space Magic.   

[vigna]

It isn't anything other than bad editing. We really don't know what Joker was doing.....

[legion999]

So the rest of the fleet just sat there? And Joker made it to the Sol relay, managed to use it yet the explosion caught up with him anyway? Oh and he also had time to pick up all your squadmates who should be fighting on Earth? One last question did Joker leave the fleet to pick everyone up despite the Normandy being very capable of fighting Reapers?

[Tamcia]

How did he pick up all squad mates without a dropship?

Why did he run through several mass relays?

[Skypezee]

Lets not forget how he managed to have the time to pick up all of my squad mates on Earth and then book it.
Seriously, Joker isn't a coward and wouldn't run from a fight. He even said that after stealing the Normandy and going through Illos, taking the entire crew through the Omega 4 relay on a suicide mission, and taking the commander around the galaxy to build up an army to fight the reapers he has, not once, mutinied.

[NoUserNameHere]

Squadmates warp through space and time to appear on the Normandy.

Then his leaving is never explained. He is through the relay before that beam ever hits it, yes? Wrong on multiple levels.

[FarynUEA]

Which Explosion? Shepard makes his choice, the crucible/citadel powers up in the choosen color ... at this point Joker should think "YAY Shepard made it, we won, lets see what happens", not "I better get outta here"

And think back to Mass Effect2 ... the collector base was SECONDS from blowing up, yet Joker stuck around to get Shepard and the rest of the team.

Modifié par FarynUEA, 13 mars 2012 - 09:00 .

[Uezurii]

Yeah this guy knows what he's talking about. :')

[LolaLei]

That and the fact that the crew weren't in the Normandy at the time, they were fighting on earth so Joker would have no reason to try to fly off and save the crew because they werent on board.