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[Garosh]

It's a plot hole. Garrus and Kaiden were in the Normandy, but they were with me when I was running to the teleporter. How the hell did they get on the Normandy unscathed?

[yoshibb]

The mass relay is out near Pluto. What was he doing over near Pluto?

[Luigitornado]

Joker wouldn't run away from a giant explosion?

BAH! That's not cowardice! That's fair level of thinking!

He may not have given up hope on Shepard and couldn't forgo the entire ship and her crew if it meant he could save Shepard on the Citadel.

I agree with OP.

Modifié par Luigitornado, 13 mars 2012 - 08:59 .

[Lethys1]

Does the Cerberus redone Normandy use Reaper tech in the form of EDI? I think. So it kind of makes sense that the ship would crash, but it makes beyond no sense that he's racing the Crucible's magic wave of colors.

And it's destruction only makes sense in ONE ending, the destroy ending, assuming there's Reaper tech in the form of EDI necessary to drive the Normandy.

[shepskisaac]

gxkrizard wrote...

Prove me wrong.

So when he sees the explosion he flies to London to pick up the squadmates, then starts running away from the explosion. WOuldn't it be kind of too late already?

[The Angry One]

The ONLY logical explanation for what we see happening is that Joker picked up your squad in London then booked it for the Charon relay and got the hell out of there.

Joker would never do this, it's so completely out of character that it's a massive plot hole.
But then you were proven wrong in the second post here, we're just piling it on at this point.

[Arppis]

MattFini wrote...

gxkrizard wrote...

Imagine that you see big explosion going in your direction. I mean the one that can destroy Earth, before Crucible even shoots. If it is harmless, then Shepard probably is alive (at least that's what Joker may think) and can be saved later. But if it can destroy the ship, then it's Joker's responsibility to make sure his crew survive. It's not like he need to stay there and wait for death, because Shepard isn't on board. So he escapes through mass relay, and then we know what's happening.

Prove me wrong.

Nice try, Lao Che.

And then you notice that you have been in his plane all this time! HE GOT YOU!

[Scitenik]

Joker was willing to go down with the ship in ME2. He was willing to leave the Alliance and join Cerberus to follow Shepard into a mission they weren't likely to survive. He stuck by Shepard in ME3 through all of the crap they have to go through. He wouldn't just leave Shepard behind, regardless of what might happen to the ship. Why would he run anyway? It's pretty much their last stand. All the fleets are there and ready to fight - what is he going to run to?

Regardless, even if Joker somehow panics, can you really see your crew mates wanting to run? You don't think someone would stop Joker from doing this? Everyone's pretty much on Earth and willing to die in the attempt to stop the reapers.

Retreating from anything at this point wouldn't get them ANYTHING.

[The Angry One]

Luigitornado wrote...

Joker wouldn't run away from a giant explosion?

BAH! That's not cowardice! That's fair level of thinking!

He may have not given hope on Shepard and couldn't forgo the entire ship and her crew if it meant he could save Shepard on the Citadel if he was needed.

I agree with OP.

You don't get it do you? The only way he would HAVE to run away from the explosion (it was the crucible pulse) was for him to already be in the relay tunnel.

And we know it's a relay tunnel and not ship FTL because the pulse is following the Normandy.

[Rip The Reaper]

FarynUEA wrote...

Which Explosion? Shepard makes his choice, the crucible/citadel powers up in the choosen color ... at this point Joker should think "YAY Shepard made it, we won, lets see what happens", not "I better get outta here"

And think back to Mass Effect2 ... the collector base was SECONDS from blowing up, yet Joker stuck around to get Shepard and the rest of the team.

"YAY Shepard made it, we won, lets see what happens", not "I better get outta here. Oh yeah, gotta go pick the crew up too."

[aimlessgun]

 Joker's escape may not be a plothole (though really, there's no reasonable way for him to avoid the 'explosion' if it's approaching at the speed of light, because he won't know it's coming until too late. And if it's moving really slow like depicted, he can easily figure out if it's dangerous or not before getting hit).

Even the presence of your ground team on the Normandy may not technically be a plothole, since Joker could have picked them up (somehow defying all odds, and all the stuff you've been told about no air support getting in alive, which is why youre assaulting the goddamn beam on foot in the first place instead of simply being dropped off). 

So technically, not yet a plothole. But undeniably a total character assassination of your ground team. 

Shepard: "Alright everyone! This is it, the beam. Win or die!" *Shepard charges to the beam*

Kaidan: "Uhhh...hmm. That looks kind of dangerous."

Liara: "Yes, very."

Kaidan: "I know we're like...Shepard's best friends, trusted confidants, have made a bond with her forged in the fire of so many trials and tribulations that is deeper than most friendships could ever be. But...."

Liara: "Is that a giant laser? Let's get out of here."

Kaidan: "Sorry Shep. You know when I said I loved you and would follow you until the end? I lied." *Kaidan puts on his best trollface.jpg impression, and then runs to a shuttle*

Modifié par aimlessgun, 13 mars 2012 - 09:04 .

[Berkilak]

This isn't Star Trek. There is no "jump to warp speed." You need to travel to a mass relay before you can do such a thing, and Earth is quite a distance from Sol system's. As we saw, the Crucible's explosion reached it almost instantly, starting the chain reaction. If we are to believe that the Normandy was where the cutscene said it was, he would have had to have been in mid-jump. It's not something Joker could have reacted to.

[FarynUEA]

Rip The Reaper wrote...

FarynUEA wrote...

Which Explosion? Shepard makes his choice, the crucible/citadel powers up in the choosen color ... at this point Joker should think "YAY Shepard made it, we won, lets see what happens", not "I better get outta here"

And think back to Mass Effect2 ... the collector base was SECONDS from blowing up, yet Joker stuck around to get Shepard and the rest of the team.

"YAY Shepard made it, we won, lets see what happens", not "I better get outta here. Oh yeah, gotta go pick the crew up too."

Thanks for fixing that

[Uezurii]

Rip The Reaper wrote...

FarynUEA wrote...

Which Explosion? Shepard makes his choice, the crucible/citadel powers up in the choosen color ... at this point Joker should think "YAY Shepard made it, we won, lets see what happens", not "I better get outta here"

And think back to Mass Effect2 ... the collector base was SECONDS from blowing up, yet Joker stuck around to get Shepard and the rest of the team.

"YAY Shepard made it, we won, lets see what happens", not "I better get outta here. Oh yeah, gotta go pick the crew up too."

These two posts proved it's a plot hole.

[Luigitornado]

FarynUEA wrote...

Which Explosion? Shepard makes his choice, the crucible/citadel powers up in the choosen color ... at this point Joker should think "YAY Shepard made it, we won, lets see what happens", not "I better get outta here"

And think back to Mass Effect2 ... the collector base was SECONDS from blowing up, yet Joker stuck around to get Shepard and the rest of the team.

EDI
EDI could have warned him that stuff was about to go down, and they were in danger of iniment destruction.

It's not really a plot hole. 

[Pottumuusi]

It isn't a plot hole, it's just plain stupid.

[The Angry One]

Luigitornado wrote...

FarynUEA wrote...

Which Explosion? Shepard makes his choice, the crucible/citadel powers up in the choosen color ... at this point Joker should think "YAY Shepard made it, we won, lets see what happens", not "I better get outta here"

And think back to Mass Effect2 ... the collector base was SECONDS from blowing up, yet Joker stuck around to get Shepard and the rest of the team.

EDI
EDI could have warned him that stuff was about to go down, and they were in danger of iniment destruction.

It's not really a plot hole. 

The rest of the fleet was fine.
Joker has never abandoned Shepard before no matter what feedback or warnings he's recieved.
It's a plot hole.

[Epique Phael767]

None of the other ships are seen fleeing.


/thread

[Mizar_Panzar]

Whatever that space magic is, it didn't hurt the troops on earth, who are cheering the reaper's demise.

Joker could've, and should've just parked the Normandy in Hyde Park and watched it.

[yoshibb]

aimlessgun wrote...

 Joker's escape may not be a plothole (though really, there's no reasonable way for him to avoid the 'explosion' if it's approaching at the speed of light, because he won't know it's coming until too late. And if it's moving really slow like depicted, he can easily figure out if it's dangerous or not before getting hit).

Even the presence of your ground team on the Normandy may not technically be a plothole, since Joker could have picked them up (somehow defying all odds, and all the stuff you've been told about no air support getting in alive, which is why youre assaulting the goddamn beam on foot in the first place instead of simply being dropped off). 

So technically, not yet a plothole. But undeniably a total character assassination of your ground team. 

Shepard: "Alright everyone! This is it, the beam. Win or die!" *Shepard charges to the beam*

Kaidan: "Uhhh...hmm. That looks kind of dangerous."

Liara: "Yes, very."

Kaidan: "I know we're like...Shepard's best friends, trusted confidants, have made a bong with her forged in the fire of so many trials and tribulations that is deeper than most friendships could ever be. But...."

Liara: "Is that a giant laser? Let's get out of here."

Kaidan: "Sorry Shep. You know when I said I loved you and would follow you until the end?" *Kaidan puts on his best trollface.jpg impression, and then runs to a shuttle*

lol

The Normandy Squad: We Don't Do GIant Lasers

[kramerfan86]

In order to be in the relay he would have to be running before the explosion even occured because he wouldnt be outrunning it with standard FTL.  Plus nevermind the fact he some how picked up your squadmates who were on the ground with you.  Also why run from the crucible in the first place, the whole idea was for it to fire, why would you start running in the moment that your device is doing what its supposed to?

[tersidre]

does nobody else remember the conversation between shepard and joker near the end? Shepard tells him "take care of her" so he was fufilling his promise in not letting the normandy be destroyed... again....

[FarynUEA]

Luigitornado wrote...

FarynUEA wrote...

Which Explosion? Shepard makes his choice, the crucible/citadel powers up in the choosen color ... at this point Joker should think "YAY Shepard made it, we won, lets see what happens", not "I better get outta here"

And think back to Mass Effect2 ... the collector base was SECONDS from blowing up, yet Joker stuck around to get Shepard and the rest of the team.

EDI
EDI could have warned him that stuff was about to go down, and they were in danger of iniment destruction.

It's not really a plot hole. 

EDI Could warn him off what? That the Citadel is powering up? That a massive beam off energy JUST hit the relay? In both case it would probably be to late to get the crew and/or get to the relay

[ninjaman001]

Everyone saying how does he get to the sol relay so quick, they still shave FTL drives the relay just accelerates them even faster than that. Still it doesn't explain why how he even had time to grab squad mates and run before the energy wave hits them.

[Tiax Rules All]

gxkrizard wrote...

Imagine that you see big explosion going in your direction. I mean the one that can destroy Earth, before Crucible even shoots. If it is harmless, then Shepard probably is alive (at least that's what Joker may think) and can be saved later. But if it can destroy the ship, then it's Joker's responsibility to make sure his crew survive. It's not like he need to stay there and wait for death, because Shepard isn't on board. So he escapes through mass relay, and then we know what's happening.

Prove me wrong.

challange accepted...
nobody knows that crucible will shoot anything, nobody is expecting that, not even shep. so joker ainwaiting for ****.
by the time someone realised that **** is firing and i need to move. Its already over.

Joker and the normandy were in FTL, so they had to hit the relay first... its ot next to earth, gotta fly over to it. its in the solar sytem but thats about that.

all is moot though because all that never happened, it was a hallucination/indoctrination attempt on shepard. the complete ending show shep on earth taking a breath and waking up in the same spot that the reaper destryer left him in after getting hit by the beam. everything after that is sheps subconscience and battle over indoctrination