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[shepskisaac]

Luigitornado wrote...

EDI could have warned him that stuff was about to go down, and they were in danger of iniment destruction.

It's not really a plot hole.

And squadmates got back to Normandy (and changed clothes) exactly why? When? If you have to headcanon and assume so many things, it's a plothole

Modifié par IsaacShep, 13 mars 2012 - 09:06 .

[Karrie788]

We're talking about a man who stayed onboard a half destroyed ship hoping to save her.
Joker isn't a coward and he wouldn't flee Earth in the first place anyway.

[Voidster]

yes it is, the crew that walked out of the normady were on the ground at the time shep was up saving the universe. there was not enough time to load them up, and flee to the gate. (Through the most epic space battle of their time might i add) and run away from the big red/blue/green mass of energy.

plot hole, lousy ending.

[The Angry One]

www.youtube.com/watch

21:56

Pulse fires and spreads around Earth including the orbiting fleets.

23:00

Look closely at the cruiser formation below the green beam. They are fine.

[DJ Shepard]

I thought it was stupid like many have said. I'd imagine Joker would rather find out what happened to Shepard before going anywhere else.

[Rip The Reaper]

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Modifié par Rip The Reaper, 13 mars 2012 - 09:08 .

[Luigitornado]

IsaacShep wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

EDI could have warned him that stuff was about to go down, and they were in danger of iniment destruction.

It's not really a plot hole.

And squadmates got back to Normandy (and changed clothes) exactly why? When? If you have to headcanon and assume so many things, it's a plothole

Nope lol

[tenacious_err]

Yes. Joker will stay in the Normandy as it goes down and makes you literally pull him away, but he'll run away too. Also, it's definitely a plot hole that he people you take with you at the last mission are, amazingly, aboard the Normandy.

[gxkrizard]

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

Based on what we learned in Mass Effect 1 and 2, Joker isn't a coward. He'll fight to the death, he would never run away.

You're proven wrong.

Fight is over because Crucible already works, and remember he wasn't alone. He can't sacrifices other life for some stupid sense of honor.

TheDarkRats wrote...

How does Joker get from Earth to Charon that fast?

FTL. Besides, we don't know how fast the ship and explosion are. It's posible unless you prove otherwise.

revo76 wrote...

You're wrong. He obviously came back to the beam to take our crew, if he's afraid of explosion, he would run the hell away to the relay. Instead he had enough time to pick sqmates.

PS: There are secret dialogues in the game itself that showed Normandy fought with Harbinger or some kind of reaper.

He pick them when Shepard was chatting with Illusive Man and that kid.

[connordavisj]

He outran the explosion at normal speed but not at the speed of a mass relay?  With my squadmates on board?  While in the middle of the largest galactic conflict in history?

Yeah, OK, makes about as much sense as the ending itself so why not?  -____-"

[Druzgot]

I will prove you wrong. This beam from citadel was faster than travel with a mass relay... Imagine how he could escape to mass relay when it "shot"

[Maike91]

The Angry One wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

FarynUEA wrote...

Which Explosion? Shepard makes his choice, the crucible/citadel powers up in the choosen color ... at this point Joker should think "YAY Shepard made it, we won, lets see what happens", not "I better get outta here"

And think back to Mass Effect2 ... the collector base was SECONDS from blowing up, yet Joker stuck around to get Shepard and the rest of the team.

EDI
EDI could have warned him that stuff was about to go down, and they were in danger of iniment destruction.

It's not really a plot hole. 

The rest of the fleet was fine.
Joker has never abandoned Shepard before no matter what feedback or warnings he's recieved.
It's a plot hole.

After Thessia Joker says that Anderson told him to take care of Shep. He would never leave.  And it's not only Joker. Does anyone really think Garrus or Liara or any other squadmember would just leave Shep there? 

[The Angry One]

tersidre wrote...

does nobody else remember the conversation between shepard and joker near the end? Shepard tells him "take care of her" so he was fufilling his promise in not letting the normandy be destroyed... again....

And so he got the Normandy destroyed.
Makes sense.

[Torga_DW]

Okay, ignoring the obvious pink elephant in the room that is the crew riding the magic space beam back to the normandy.

The magic space explosion was travelling faster than the mass relays, thats where joker got caught. You're saying that he sees the explosion travelling towards him at faster than relay speed, but still has time to make it to a relay on conventional drives before it catches up with him?

I think you may have ridden the magic space elevator one too many times.

[TryckSh0t]

Luigitornado wrote...

FarynUEA wrote...

Which Explosion? Shepard makes his choice, the crucible/citadel powers up in the choosen color ... at this point Joker should think "YAY Shepard made it, we won, lets see what happens", not "I better get outta here"

And think back to Mass Effect2 ... the collector base was SECONDS from blowing up, yet Joker stuck around to get Shepard and the rest of the team.

EDI
EDI could have warned him that stuff was about to go down, and they were in danger of iniment destruction.

It's not really a plot hole. 

How would EDI know what was happening? I don't remember her being on the Citadel with Shepard when he set everything in motion. If she knew what the Catalyst was capable of, wouldn't she have spoken up a bit sooner than right before everything went to crap? EDI was only capable of seeing what the ship or her body was seeing, and by the time ship sensors would have detected the Citadel power surge, which released energy capable of blanketing ENTIRE STAR SYSTEMS in seconds, there'd no absolutely no time to get to Earth, drop a shuttle, shuttle picks everyone up, shuttle docks with the Normandy, Normandy runs like hell. Just not going to happen, plain and simple.

[Malanek]

Taleroth wrote...

A plothole is not something that is impossible. A plot hole is something that goes unexplained, and the unexplained element is crucial to understanding the plot.

NO, NO, NO!!!!! A plothole is NOT something that merely goes unexplained. It is something that is impossible or at least requires such an implausability that it is obvious the writer forgot about something. Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it a plothole.

It isn't a plothole that Joker escapes. It is a plothole that your crew that was on earth ends up in the normandy...unless the indoctrination theory is true and we are actually missing part of the ending. Would love to see Shepard come out the door once all the gaps have been filled in. 

Modifié par Malanek999, 13 mars 2012 - 09:11 .

[Fireclown2020]

Doctor who turned up in his TARDIS and picked up all your squad.

He then travels back in time with your squad and drops them off on the Normandy about half an hour before Sheperd gets to the Citadel

Before he leaves he has a few thngs to say,

"I am sorry, this is a fixed point in space and time, Sheperd has to die, however I am able to save you all, you have to head away from here, use the Mass Relay, you will survive but life as we know it will all change"

Thats the bit we are missing from the cut scene's



All is good

[Merengues 1945]

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

Based on what we learned in Mass Effect 1 and 2, Joker isn't a coward. He'll fight to the death, he would never run away.

You're proven wrong.

Not only Joker... EDI would maybe even lock the ship for avoid escape.... Liara would never loose you again, Garrus will not quit on you when you're in serious problems even when that means being shot in the face, the same for Tali, Kaidan and well everyone onboard the normandy.

The only real reason why Joker's scape isn't a plothole would be that all that bunch of guys were cowards and traitors and deserves no good at all... but if you played the Mass Effect Trilogy, you know this is not true.

[fish of doom]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_hole

[SilencedScream]

ITT: OP assumes understanding when no understanding is to be had.

[Ragarnoy]

Wow i didn't know Joker could go save your squadmates with all the destruction and... you know... WAR ? Going on. He could have done it in what.... 2 hours ? at least.

[The Angry One]

gxkrizard wrote...
Fight is over because Crucible already works, and remember he wasn't alone. He can't sacrifices other life for some stupid sense of honor.

Stupid sense of honour? It's his duty! Joker, Edi, the entire crew would give their lives for Shep!
Moreover, IT'S NOT HIS DECISION! The Normandy is attached to Sword fleet under the command of Admiral Hackett,  IT IS HACKETT'S DECISION ALONE TO SOUND A RETREAT and such a retreat does not involve individual ships booking it to the relay randomly.

What Joker did is nothing short of mutiny.

[Jadebaby]

gxkrizard wrote...

Imagine that you see big explosion going in your direction. I mean the one that can destroy Earth, before Crucible even shoots. If it is harmless, then Shepard probably is alive (at least that's what Joker may think) and can be saved later. But if it can destroy the ship, then it's Joker's responsibility to make sure his crew survive. It's not like he need to stay there and wait for death, because Shepard isn't on board. So he escapes through mass relay, and then we know what's happening.

Prove me wrong.

So instead of landing it on the same planet where everyone else is and can meet up with them later, he flys however many hundreds of thousands of k's away to charon relay. To go to another system. Also, not only does he get to the relay so fast, but how are the people I ran into the beam with, with him?

[eoinnx03]

To OP:

Nope.

I should go.

[yoshibb]

The Angry One wrote...

tersidre wrote...

does nobody else remember the conversation between shepard and joker near the end? Shepard tells him "take care of her" so he was fufilling his promise in not letting the normandy be destroyed... again....

And so he got the Normandy destroyed.
Makes sense.

About as much sense as synthetics killing organics to stop synthetics from killing organics *shrugs*