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[Lethys1]

So why would I have to pay for an ending for a game that I bought under the assumption that there was an ending?

Assuming Indoctrination Theory is correct and I bought a game without an ending, would it be unreasonable to demand a refund?  Or demand patches fixing this immediately?  It's not exactly an unreasonable assumption to make that a game which claims to be the "end" of a trilogy has an ending.

That's why I hope it's wrong.  I would prefer a bad ending get rectified to a horrific business decision like not giving me an ending.

If it's true, it would represent a new low in DLC selling methods.  I would never buy Bioware again, though I'm already not buying DA3 or SWTOR so I'm not sure how valid a threat that is anymore.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Yes, if the Indoctrination Theory is correct, then we haven't seen the ending of ME3 yet. I'm not sure this detracts from the theory in any way.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

The only reason people get excited about it is the idea it means there will be an ending given to us at some point. Normally that would be a point of contention, but the end of ME3 is just that bad.

[Dazimo]

At least with Indoctrination Theory, the ending makes some kind of sense.

[MPSai]

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

Yes, if the Indoctrination Theory is correct, then we haven't seen the ending of ME3 yet. I'm not sure this detracts from the theory in any way.

But if they don't intend to or are unwilling to expand the ending, the trilogy still has no resolution. 

[Craven1138]

Why would Reapers indoctrinate him, when they can just zap him with imba red LAZOR?

[NoUserNameHere]

True, true.

I'm not one who thinks that some free DLC 'true ending' is waiting JUST AS PLANNED.

The indoctrination theory works as is -- doesn't make the ending any better, but it's just as valid as anything else. In order for it to be a true twist, the game would have to run with it as you make your choice. Go up to the point where the credits music starts playing... then push you back into the game to finish the fight. 'Space magic!' would forever replace 'would you kindly?' as the default video game mindfreak line.

As we are now, it's just a clever interpretation of a lame ending.

[Phattee Buttz]

This video www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynYgr1rqEec&list=LLfa-OYhHABQlN0doIBMCK_Q&index=1&feature=plpp_video convinced me that the indoctrination theory is the correct way to view the ending. Even though Shepard is free to do whatever he wants, Spacechild's actions subtly encourage Shepard to opt for the "control" ending, in which the Reapers survive unchanged.

However, like the OP says, the whole point is moot, since none of this happened due to the fact that Shepard is still back in London under a pile of rubble.

Modifié par Phattee Buttz, 13 mars 2012 - 10:15 .

[Had-to-say]

So where is the real ending?

[KMYash]

Agreed OP. I look at it this way. Say you went to see the last Harry Potter movie (which I didn't....), and this is after the last book was split into 2 movies, and it ends when Harry dies. You know, that part before he talks to Dumbledore, resurrects like a magic-magic Jesus, and then defeats the Dark Lord. Now imagine you never read the books and had no idea what was supposed to happen. So what you have is Harry Potter died and... nothing? I think the rage would be unimaginable. Followed up by saying, yeah you spent 10$ to see the movie but, uh, its another 6$ to see the las--NEXT twenty minutes. It's not included in the price because it's extra.

Yeah, people would not be happy.

Now for me this only deals with the indoctrination theory even if it would be free DLC that 'fixed' it. Now lets say the original endings were the intended ones then well paying for new endings would be like going back to see a movie remake. You have to pay its a different product.

Modifié par KMYash, 13 mars 2012 - 10:23 .

[Killer3000ad]

Has anyone noticed how Shep's face looks like a husk as he disappears in the Control option?

[STAR_KILLER423]

What if it is what they planned though? I mean indoctrination is one of the major things in the series and we havent seen it have any effect on Shep yet. He is around reaper tech the most and could have been rebuilt with reaper tech. While I think that if it was planned it should have been on the disc to begin with but i think it would have been a pretty good joke. But this is just speculation at the moment until Bioware makes a statement...but so is saying that it is completely wrong.

[Jonny_Sad]

As much as i want to believe the end is not the end and there is more.. i think it was the end.. Bioware did state that ME3 is the end of shepherd's story... But i also believe that bioware care about thier fans and EA care about thier money even more so if there is enough outrage (civil, well mannered outrage) we will get DLC to change it... also, in the prologue scene, the man talking to the young boy did say.. "ok, one more story.."

[Shaun72]

Not to mention that it was also stated prerelease that ME3 would give closure to the series and that this would be Shep's last game. If the indoctrination theory is true, then that means they have amnesia or just a really shortsighted public relations team. Providing a true ending via DLC wouldn't cover their butt either because promises made for a product should not count if said promises are not fulfilled until DLC is released. They didn't say "after all the DLC is said and done, fans will have closure". They said the fans will have closure with ME3 (which should only mean the core game).



No matter what the explanation for the ridiculous endings turns out to be, that doesn't change the fact that they didn't deliver the closure that they knew the fans wanted after investing hundred of hours into the series.



Putting all of my main frustrations aside (the fact that the choices you made through 3 games seem to matter not one bit in the end), I would also like to know why I spent all that time getting a united galactic fleet together through the entire game and not actually get to see how any of it played out through the eyes of ANY of my allies! All we see are human ground troop battles. No Krogan fights, Asari biotic wars, starship battles (that tiny intro to the mission with them appearing through the relay doesn't count), or even just rallying dialogue between the different species' leaders DURING the actual battle. No tidbits from war assets we received through prior choices in the series. We didn't even get to see the rest of our crew in action. Oh, but we get to have a video conference call with everyone to say goodbye.....whoopideedoo.



They missed way too many opportunities to make the ending truly Epic. I just don't get the line of 'thinking' that was spinning in the head of whoever is responsible for what we got. Like I said before, whatever DLC that is released is irrelevant. THIS is the game we paid our $60 for.

Modifié par Shaun72, 13 mars 2012 - 10:36 .

[CommunistKing]

Necro, I still want an ending.

[NortheastPizza]

Necro, I still want an ending.

 

 

Same. It still eats at me to this very day.

[Excella Gionne]

You're looking in the wrong place. IT would be the worse ending than the pre-Extended Cut endings.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Good thing Indoctrination Theory is incorrect, anyway.

[Ithurael]

IT Was fun and really creative for its time. It gave people hope in something greater.

 

These days...if you want your ending you will have to headcanon it past the breath scene.

 

Or you can go my route:

 

Refuse is the only ending that breaks indoctrination mainly because:

-It is the most abrupt (no slide show)

-Keeps with the themes of the series

-Makes shepard act like shepard

-Is not what the reapers do anyway (each of the RGB options is something the reapers do. They control, they are synthesis, and they destroy almost everything)

 

Once you refuse, you break the indoctrination attempt. Harbinger kills you, then the reapers kill everyone.

 

However, because of your choices in recruiting Liara and your choices throughout the trilogy. You have the time capsule that allows the next cycle to defeat the reapers once and for all.

 

Ta-Da!!!

 

10/10

[Farangbaa]

I can't do this anymore

[Ithurael]

I can't do this anymore

Don't you see Psychevore! You have give up your will to argue against IT!!! My god...you chose teh blue option!!

 

You're...Indoctrinated!!!

[Alamar2078]

I think EA is happy enough leaving the endings "as-is" with everyone still talking about a 2 year old game.  The only way EA would care otherwise would be IF they knew there would be a significant short AND long term ROI if they "fixed" the endings.

 

IMHO EA can't really fix the endings because there was too much damage done in ME2 [lack of significant progress vs. the Reapers].  This means you have to come up with a Crucible-style unsatisfying plot for ME3.  Add to this many other decisions that worked against telling a good story and ME3 was doomed.  I'm not saying there weren't nice moments / elements but the overall structure was fundamentally flawed and the franchise caved in on it's own weight.

[Dean_the_Young]

But if they don't intend to or are unwilling to expand the ending, the trilogy still has no resolution. 

 

The sort of people who believe in Indoctrination Theory don't care, or believe that preferable.

[Alamar2078]

I personally don't blame the IT people [or any other faction] from wanting more from ME 1-3.  On the other hand if the pro-ending factions are happy then good for them as nobody should wish they were unhappy.

 

At this point though I believe it's all water under the bridge.  It's up to the consumers to do what they believe is correct and just go from there.

[Rusted Cage]

Or Mass Effect 4 could hit with a plot which picks up right after the opening events of the second game, revealing the rest of ME 2 and 3 were just the dreams of a dying Shepard plummeting towards oblivion. That'd be crazy, Dallas **** right there.