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[hex23]

Sargerus wrote...

Tiercel24 wrote...

Some really cryptic tweets from Jessica Merizan tonight....

User 1 -Well, i think i'll stop naggin you and trying to get you to talk about the indoctrination theory. Good game though!
Merizan - I want people to make up their own minds right now, then when more people have played we'll talk

That means no official answer from Bioware until next month i guess 

Keep in mind the game isn't even out in every region yet. I'm not saying a new ending is coming, but if it was they obviously couldn't comment on it now.

Modifié par hex23, 14 mars 2012 - 06:35 .

[Militarized]

Drak41n wrote...

Planned ending dlc is a pipe dream. What about people w/o Internet connections? Are they supposed to be content with an incomplete product? Face it, bioware is leading people on with cryptic responses and waiting for people to get bored and forget about this.

Technically... you require an active internet connection to even play ME3. At least on PC. 

Most games are bought online in the PC market now as well, so the demographics are good for it. 

[Neuthung]

Militarized wrote...

Drak41n wrote...

Planned ending dlc is a pipe dream. What about people w/o Internet connections? Are they supposed to be content with an incomplete product? Face it, bioware is leading people on with cryptic responses and waiting for people to get bored and forget about this.

Technically... you require an active internet connection to even play ME3. At least on PC. 

Most games are bought online in the PC market now as well, so the demographics are good for it. 

I would be willing to bet that PC accounts for a pretty small segment of the audience, to be honest. That's how things tend to be for games released universally.

[Heavvy Metall]

I asked them this:

"The game is almost perfect, just needs a new ending.The Hub worlds were also abit, well, bad. Any plans of new Hub worlds in DLC"

And they replied with this:

"Thanks for the feedback."

Cheers guys xoxox

[daguest]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Follow Jessica Merizan https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan on Twitter...she seems to be listening.

Much of what she is saying just leads me to believe the intention of the endings was for us to make up our own minds about what happened. Which was simply not the right thing to do for a game like Mass Effect.

There is also a quote from Hudson something about it. I guess BW tried to makes us discuss about what we understood about the ending, what it meant, and what would be the consequences.
They failed, hard. Pseudo philosophical nonsenses from a deus ex machina child is obviously not the best thing to do for an ending.
This leads me to think they are actually trying to stay away from the the storm, in the hope people will stop whining and start to "accept" the end. Then, they'll discuss about it, as intended. Then they'll release DLC and make cash. BTW I guess this is the plan ATM. I think changing the end, or add alternative ending is not a solution ATM.
Let them release the first paying DLC, and when it will fail, we'll talk again about changing the ending.

[Necroscope]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Merizan: "wouldn't an official stance ruin all the cool theories out there?"

"Cool theories"? Like the theory that this is the biggest f-up in gaming history? Gimme a break...

Modifié par Necroscope, 14 mars 2012 - 06:42 .

[mulwin444]

Doug M wrote...

If Bioware has an appropriate ending in the works, then why save that as DLC? Why wasn't that in the game itself? If it wasn't ready for March 6th, then why not postpone ME3's release until the appropriate ending was ready to be included? Why drag this out with vague responses? For a PR stunt?

Straight answers would be appreciated. Bioware is losing a lot of consumer goodwill right now.

Just a thought but has anyone considered that BioWare knew that people would datamine the crap out of the game prior to release and reveal everything they could regarding the major plot points including the ending.  Perhasps they were willing to take a few slings and arrows upfront and board rage to give everyone an opportunity to discover the ending together.  I could be off-base but it's quite possible that a DLC may be coming in the next couple of weeks to fill in the blanks.  BioWare has been dropping Anvil-sized hints that something is coming and don't think it has to do with the rumored multi-player DLC.  

[Off-Road]

What if the big secret they are hiding is the fact that all upcoming DLC will actually be different endings? Or perhaps the REST of the ending(s). Maybe what we saw was just the BEGINNING of the end. We have already established that there are massive plot holes, perhaps they already have the content to fill them?

Agreed, it would certainly take a quad to go with this tactic but it might just be crazy enough to work.

...Or it's all BS and the tweets are just buying time for EA and Bioware to figure out how they will try to appease us with more lame multiplayer content.

[Xarathos]

Tiercel24 wrote...

Some really cryptic tweets from Jessica Merizan tonight....

User 1 -Well, i think i'll stop naggin you and trying to get you to talk about the indoctrination theory. Good game though!
Merizan - I want people to make up their own minds right now, then when more people have played we'll talk

User 2 - then I want to SEE that he was lying. I want to get up and finish the fight with Commander Shepard. Then retire.
Merizan - augh. want. to. discuss! Staying spoiler free for now

User 3  - But should've confronted the kid instead. Shep went meekly into the night.
Merizan - are you sure he went meekly into the night?

The fact that I'm actually User 2 in this list makes me oddly happy. That tweet session with Merizan left me with more hope than anything else so far... plus it was oddly theraputic. 

At least SOMEBODY is listening to us, and knowing that makes me that much more determined to keep talking.

[Game_Fan_85]

Lady Levias wrote...


User 4: "Are you holding something back, that could quell the large amount of frustration from the community, a tiny hint would be enough."
@masseffect: "Mike Gamble already said on his twitter, if the fans knew what was in store, the reaction would be different."

This annoys me no end everytime I read it.  Are BioWare devs BLIND or stupid?  How in the hell could they have not expected or predict this reaction from people upon seeing that ending with no indication the game would continue?  If there is another game continuing from "the breath" he takes before the credits, why the hell could they not make that obvious?  They are correct, if WE KNEW WHAT WAS COMING, the reaction would be different! Worse decision in gaming history!

[Paparob]

Its like if I dress up like John Wayne Gacy, kidnap you and reassure you if you knew what I had in store you wouldn't be having this reaction.

[GBGriffin]

Game_Fan_85 wrote...



This annoys me no end everytime I read it.  Are BioWare devs BLIND or stupid?  How in the hell could they have not expected or predict this reaction from people upon seeing that ending with no indication the game would continue?  If there is another game continuing from "the breath" he takes before the credits, why the hell could they not make that obvious?  They are correct, if WE KNEW WHAT WAS COMING, the reaction would be different! Worse decision in gaming history!

I and others have been saying this much as well. Even if they are planning more content, and this is all a halluncination / indoctrination bit, they didn't do a good job of getting that across to the public at large (obviously).

Someone else put it best: Hallucination does not (and should not) excuse poor writing or storytelling.

And, of course, if it isn't, it's a royal butchering of what could have been the greatest conclusion to a fantastic series.

[recentio]

@jakefinn94 Mike Gamble already said on his twitter, if the fans knew what was in store, the reaction would be different.

These are the same people who promised that the ending would be "satisfying."

It was not. For them to now posit that reactions would be "different" is as reliable as the first claim.

It's not.

[Evil_medved]

Seems like different devs saying different things - from "deal with it" to almost openly supporting indoctrination theory.

Maybe some have better resolve and dont want to spoil it for us, or maybe some devs are too kind to break our hearts again and feed us with false hope.

[Game_Fan_85]

GBGriffin wrote...

Game_Fan_85 wrote...



This annoys me no end everytime I read it.  Are BioWare devs BLIND or stupid?  How in the hell could they have not expected or predict this reaction from people upon seeing that ending with no indication the game would continue?  If there is another game continuing from "the breath" he takes before the credits, why the hell could they not make that obvious?  They are correct, if WE KNEW WHAT WAS COMING, the reaction would be different! Worse decision in gaming history!

I and others have been saying this much as well. Even if they are planning more content, and this is all a halluncination / indoctrination bit, they didn't do a good job of getting that across to the public at large (obviously).

Someone else put it best: Hallucination does not (and should not) excuse poor writing or storytelling.

And, of course, if it isn't, it's a royal butchering of what could have been the greatest conclusion to a fantastic series.

Damn right, could not agree more.  I have thought about the indoctrination theory a lot and it really makes sense to me.  If we saw the breath at the very end of the credits and something that told us the series was not really over, it could have been incredible.  Best cliffhanger ever? I would be far far happier if this involved a full expansion, on disc rather than some crappy DLC though.  The game deserves more than an hour long DLC to finish off.  It wasn't even until a few hours after finishing when some of the shock wore off that I realised there was not even a big boss battle finale.

[Doug M]

mulwin444 wrote...

Doug M wrote...

If Bioware has an appropriate ending in the works, then why save that as DLC? Why wasn't that in the game itself? If it wasn't ready for March 6th, then why not postpone ME3's release until the appropriate ending was ready to be included? Why drag this out with vague responses? For a PR stunt?

Straight answers would be appreciated. Bioware is losing a lot of consumer goodwill right now.

Just a thought but has anyone considered that BioWare knew that people would datamine the crap out of the game prior to release and reveal everything they could regarding the major plot points including the ending.  Perhasps they were willing to take a few slings and arrows upfront and board rage to give everyone an opportunity to discover the ending together.  I could be off-base but it's quite possible that a DLC may be coming in the next couple of weeks to fill in the blanks.  BioWare has been dropping Anvil-sized hints that something is coming and don't think it has to do with the rumored multi-player DLC.  

If that's their plan, then transparency would still help, rather than cryptic responses and dodging questions.  If Bioware really does want all of the ME3 fans all around the world to experience the ending at the same time, and do so in a way that avoids data-mined spoilers, the oblique way they're going about it isn't helping them.

How likely is it for a developer to intentionally withhold a game's ending just to protect it from being spoiled?  Genuine question, by the way.  I don't know, and I can't think of another game that's done it.  Either way, consumer goodwill and loyalty is more important than saving an ending from being spoiled, and certainly more valuable than sales figures, if that's the motivation.  Best example would be how Gabe Newell handles things at Valve.  Lots of transparency there, and it garners a lot of respect and loyalty from the fans.  When Valve got hacked, the way Newell handled the PR by being direct and forthcoming helped tremendously in determining fans' reactions.  It'd be nice if Bioware would do the same thing with ME3's ending.  If there's an example of something like this happening, I'd love to hear it.

[Cody211282]

Drak41n wrote...

It would be fun if bioware was doing a razzle dazzle routine on their costumers, but the fact that's too risky. The guy from Forbes has it right, things like this diminish good will. Tricking the audience by lying to them is very risky. I don't think that's happened here. I think all the cryptic responses people are reading so deeply in to have very little to do with the future of mass effect 3, and more to do with the speculative promises of the next product in the franchise.

Honestly this industry has a real problem with PR. I don't know how they get away with it but they mostly treat their custermers like children and activly tell us to shut up and that we are just wrong. This would have major media outlets in a frenzy if it was any other industry.

[mulwin444]

"How likely is it for a developer to intentionally withhold a game's ending just to protect it from being spoiled?"

Don't know either, it's just a thought. Just because another developer hasn't done it doesn't mean it won't be done. If they come out with a free DLC that that is post-ending and absolutely is the same quality as the rest of the game, I don't think you will see as many "GD you BioWare" as much as "Thank God my Shep is sitting with Tali on Rannoch". Nothing wrong with a little drama, especially if it turns out all right in the end. Personally, I think it would be a pretty clever way to continue with the suspense a little while longer. The tweets imply "something" is there but what that is, who knows.

[Doug M]

mulwin444 wrote...

"How likely is it for a developer to intentionally withhold a game's ending just to protect it from being spoiled?"

Don't know either, it's just a thought. Just because another developer hasn't done it doesn't mean it won't be done. If they come out with a free DLC that that is post-ending and absolutely is the same quality as the rest of the game, I don't think you will see as many "GD you BioWare" as much as "Thank God my Shep is sitting with Tali on Rannoch". Nothing wrong with a little drama, especially if it turns out all right in the end. Personally, I think it would be a pretty clever way to continue with the suspense a little while longer. The tweets imply "something" is there but what that is, who knows.

Yeah, if they make a conclusion available as free DLC that's as good as the rest of ME3, I'd be a really happy camper.  This whole thing would be just fine and I think a lot of people would get over it if Bioware would just come clean and say that that's what they're planning.  As it is, they're taking a big risk.  I hope it pays off, but I'm pretty skeptical right now.

[MaleQuariansFTW]

"if" we knew what was in store, the reactions would be different.....

a) That is quite obvious, because right now we know nothing about what is in store.

They shouldn't go by this logic, it's impossible for us to know what they're planning, so how else are we to react?

They should've seen this type of reaction coming if they always planned on keeping us in the dark. I feel like the reaction to Deception completely foreshadowed this whole thing.

[dkear1]

I think it is little more than damage control. As more articles are written this can lead to people not buying the game. Amazon bombed ratings are going to discourage some gamers (seen some are posting that they are putting off purchasing it). This is just to risky business wise. Even if it is a stunt I for one won't forgive them for it.

[Militarized]

Honestly... if they were doing it, I thought they'd have like... hints on their website or some puzzle for people to figure out and go "OH COOL!".

Unless it was a last minute thing to ruin data miners day.

[Lady Levias]

User: "The game is incredible but the ending needs a fix. Is there any acknowledgement that this seems to be the opinion of the fans?"
@masseffect: "Our dev team is more than aware of community concerns. We will pass along your feedback to them as well."


User: "Love the series, but was VERY disappointed in ME3 ending. Made me feel like all the work I'd done in all 3 games was pointless."
@masseffect: "We'll be sure to let our team know about your feelings. We appreciate the feedback!"


"We'll be sure to let our team know" ...Didn't they just say they're "more than aware"? 
Getting a little tired of the generic responses now... Please give us some hope.

Modifié par Lady Levias, 14 mars 2012 - 12:37 .

[goose2989]

Lady Levias wrote...

User: "The game is incredible but the ending needs a fix. Is there any acknowledgement that this seems to be the opinion of the fans?"
@masseffect: "Our dev team is more than aware of community concerns. We will pass along your feedback to them as well."


User: "Love the series, but was VERY disappointed in ME3 ending. Made me feel like all the work I'd done in all 3 games was pointless."
@masseffect: "We'll be sure to let our team know about your feelings. We appreciate the feedback!"


"We'll be sure to let our team know" ...Didn't they just say they're "more than aware"? 
Getting a little tired of the generic responses now... Please give us some hope.

My thoughts exactly. Why make us squirm so much

[LyletheBloody]

I really wish they would just hire a fan to run their twitter/social media/ community service/support services rather than people who type in that mystic/cryptic crap. A true gamer would at least seem a little sympathetic. @MassEffect's tweet responses thus far pretty much amount to... "GOTCHA!"

And somewhere, an EA executive is bawling with laughter.