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[Cyonan]

Madeline Lightning wrote...

Nothing at all is been bad in gold. In the right hands everything is effective for sure.  I've seen it, I've done it.

In the right hands everything is effective.

However, in the right hands, some things are more effective than others.

[UK Wildcat]

Madeline Lightning wrote...

Nothing at all is bad or "the worst" in gold for me. In the right hands everything is effective for sure.  I've seen it, I've done it.  Of course this is aiming with a razer mouse and just using a mouse in general. On the console everything is bad for me personally with a controller, because I've been playing FPS since the first one on the PC. Reaction time is all I need. every shot counts, none miss. Years and years and years of playing shooters.

Post your fastest clear times playing the classes I've listed as worst compared to the classes I've listed as best controlling all other variables.

Easy way to prove me wrong.

[Sabresandiego]

Drell vanguard is very good if you dont take pull, max everything else, and run from ammo crate to ammo crate while spamming cluster grenades. You have to use charge differently then a human vanguard, more defensively. The runspeed and maneuverability of this class is what allows you to run from ammo box to ammo box more effectively then other races, to replenish the best grenades in the game (cluster)

[Madeline Lightning]

but nothing is bad. I've survived gold in DUO only with every class and race isn't a question just a visual plus or minus for me. Point is nothing should be on the bad list. I can play any infiltrator or vanguard and be more effective than the other classes sure, for my playstyle that is, but I could also pull it off in a different way with classes I dislike playing, but CAN play.


I don't have to prove anything. I only duo gold. More than 2 is too easy for how a friend and I play. I'm just saying from experience and being an ex-fragdoll, that yeah all these classes/races can be played effectively and easily for me personally.

My only problem with this game (not counting singleplayer) is that multiplayer is bugged and items get lost and therefore I won't be playing until they fix it, but I'm not waiting forever. This game is fairly easy to play compared to multiple others.

Modifié par Madeline Lightning, 14 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[UK Wildcat]

Madeline Lightning wrote...

but nothing is bad. I've survived gold in DUO only with every class and race isn't a question just a visual plus or minus for me. Point is nothing should be on the bad list. I can play any infiltrator or vanguard and be more effective than the other classes sure, for my playstyle that is, but I could also pull it off in a different way with classes I dislike playing, but CAN play.

You are interpreting my usage of the term bad to mean that the class is not capable of being successful.  I don't mean that at all.

Best = clears gold the fastest.
Average = middle of the road on time.
Worst = least effective at clearing the fastest.

[UK Wildcat]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Drell vanguard is very good if you dont take pull, max everything else, and run from ammo crate to ammo crate while spamming cluster grenades. You have to use charge differently then a human vanguard, more defensively. The runspeed and maneuverability of this class is what allows you to run from ammo box to ammo box more effectively then other races, to replenish the best grenades in the game (cluster)

I agree with you in theory.  I simply find that due to the design of the maps, you can't replenish or continually be on the move enough to be effective.  Also, if you are constantly isolated from your team, you won't contribute to the extent they will, and if you die for away, you have to med-gel, or your teammates have to clear to you or be reckless due to the bad situation your death places them in.

Can still be successful, but there goes 30 seconds trying to res you, and assuming you bleed out, it makes the rest of the wave more difficult (takes longer).

The maps tend to favor holding places with chokes rather than moving all about.  No amount of running around is going to save the drell that gets stunned or staggered and pyroed to death.

Modifié par UK Wildcat, 14 mars 2012 - 12:14 .

[Madeline Lightning]

UK Wildcat wrote...

Madeline Lightning wrote...

but nothing is bad. I've survived gold in DUO only with every class and race isn't a question just a visual plus or minus for me. Point is nothing should be on the bad list. I can play any infiltrator or vanguard and be more effective than the other classes sure, for my playstyle that is, but I could also pull it off in a different way with classes I dislike playing, but CAN play.

You are interpreting my usage of the term bad to mean that the class is not capable of being successful.  I don't mean that at all.

Best = clears gold the fastest.
Average = middle of the road on time.
Worst = least effective at clearing the fastest.

Okay that's fine, I understand where you are going with it. 

[Cyonan]

Madeline Lightning wrote...

but nothing is bad. I've survived gold in DUO only with every class and race isn't a question just a visual plus or minus for me. Point is nothing should be on the bad list. I can play any infiltrator or vanguard and be more effective than the other classes sure, for my playstyle that is, but I could also pull it off in a different way with classes I dislike playing, but CAN play.

Nothing is bad, but you can't argue that certain classes aren't just better than others. I'm pretty sure I could still be somewhat effective with nothing but Fitness, Racial Training, and a Widow because I can get headshots fairly reliably. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be more effective if I were using Tactical Cloak and Sabotage/Energy Drain, though.

[UK Wildcat]

Madeline Lightning wrote...

UK Wildcat wrote...

Madeline Lightning wrote...

but nothing is bad. I've survived gold in DUO only with every class and race isn't a question just a visual plus or minus for me. Point is nothing should be on the bad list. I can play any infiltrator or vanguard and be more effective than the other classes sure, for my playstyle that is, but I could also pull it off in a different way with classes I dislike playing, but CAN play.

You are interpreting my usage of the term bad to mean that the class is not capable of being successful.  I don't mean that at all.

Best = clears gold the fastest.
Average = middle of the road on time.
Worst = least effective at clearing the fastest.

Okay that's fine, I understand where you are going with it. 

Good, I'm glad I was able to make myself clear, sorry if it came out the wrong way.  Hopefully that makes more sense than simply saying ANYONE PLAYING THIS class SUCKS ZOMG

[Madeline Lightning]

In the end, I prefer the challenge of being the absolute best I can with everything (or everything I like to play). That's just how I am. If it was easy it wouldn't be fun.

[CitizenSnips]

No Human Soldier Concussive Shot spam builds? I don't have much experience with this class and I heard that was the real power behind it, although they have buffed Adrenaline Rush.

[Sabresandiego]

Another problem with this ranking is that there are too many classes in the top tier, and no numbering. Are you saying that the 9 classes you have in the top tier are all balanced with each other overall?

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 14 mars 2012 - 12:30 .

[goofyomnivore]

Efficiency/effectiveness on Gold IMO
tier1
salarian infiltrator
asari adept
human vanguard

tier2
everything else but..

tier3
krogan soldier, human adept and quarian engineer

Modifié par strive, 14 mars 2012 - 12:36 .

[RamsenC]

If running around the map throwing grenades is such an effective strategy wouldn't that make human infiltrator top tier? You get all the benefits of cloak and the super high damage sticky grenades. Cloak can get you safely to an ammo box as well. You can even use the falcon with 20% reduction on top of that.

I haven't messed with grenades much, but that setup could be up there. Sadly I haven't been able to experiment with this game as much as I would like

Modifié par RamsenC, 14 mars 2012 - 12:38 .

[Sabresandiego]

Human infiltrator is top tier on my list, any race of infiltrator is a top3 class in the game simply due to cloak and sniper rifles.

[AreleX]

everything i don't agree with i've already said my bit on, so i'll go ahead and agree with nearly all this list, save human infiltrator being put in the 'average' category.

edit: but

UK Wildcat wrote...

-Krogan Soldier: Simply put, inferior to the Sentinel.  Inferno grenade is okay.  Carnage is bad.  I see no reason to play a Krogan Soldier on Gold over a Sentinel UNLESS you want to make Krogan Youtube videos or something.

sneak dissin, shots fired

Modifié par AreleX, 14 mars 2012 - 12:45 .

[GracefulChicken]

Depends on enemy type... I'm only really really familiar with Cerberus (more play time, demo and all, etc). and that seems to go like this:

S tier:
Human Vanguard
Human Engineer (Chain Overlord-->Neural Shock renders everything useless)
Asari Adept
Salarian Infiltrator

A tier:
All other infiltrators
Asari Vanguard
Human Sentinel

B tier:
All other sentinels except Krogan
All soldiers except Turian soldier

C tier:
Krogan Sentinel
Turian Soldier
Drell Adept
Quarian engineer

D tier:
Drell vanguard
Krogan sentinel

I may have missed a few, but that's just my personal list. Not to say D tier characters can't be useful or played well, or whatever... just a general ranking of how helpful I think they'll be before the match starts.

[Greystone]

It really depends on the player's skill and knowledge of the class and enemy forces.

And the weapons and ammo they currently have.

Right now the best overall weapons I have are a rank 3 vindicator and rank 6 mantis. 

My favorite class is the soldier, any race.

Because of my lack of strong weapons and limited ammo supply my human soldier spams concussion shot against organics inbetween aiming for headshots.  My poor turian soldier that I just unlocked last night really doesn't have a weapon that synergizes well with him atm so he feels pretty weak.  The best I can do is make good shots with the mantis and spam prox mine atm.  I don't have he krogan soldier yet.

Every other class/race feels stronger than my soldiers atm.  But, I had a max level human and krogan in the demo with rank 5 mattock and rank 3 claymore.  And.......pwned, without ammo powers.

Give me any one of a decent rank falcon, saber, revenant, black widow, carnifex, mattock, claymore, graal, paladin, and an ammo power and I would utterly pwn on gold.

Weapons make a HUGE difference.

[Diablerist666]

Every Adept is good on Gold. Especially if u got someone to detonate. Detonating yourself is a little less efficient. And only the Drell Adept can't detonate protected enemies by himself. Well he can with Grenades, but running for Grenades is a little tedious.

[Currylaksa]

Does this include Quarians against Gold Geth?

Because that is too easy/fast.

[TopObject]

UK Wildcat wrote...

A great player can make any class servicable, but this game is not perfectly balanced, and certain classes outperform others. 

If you doubt it, list your class of choice, I will suggest another class, and you only play with that class on gold.  If you are honest with yourself, you will be unwilling to do it because you know or should know that certain classes are more efficient.

I'm not saying you can't beat gold with every class or contribute, you can.  I'm talking about utility to a group resulting in faster clears.

im more then happy to try any class/race combo on gold, sure i have my favorites, and yes some characters outperform others incertain aspects of the game, but its down to my playstyle and team composition. I dont play to carry a team the whole game (but i will if i have to) i play for the team side of things, protecting your heavy damage dealers so they can focus the big targets, or distracting the small ones and thinning numbers to make it more managable. Unless im the heavy in which case you have to be very map aware to make sure that your teammates dont leave your flanks unprotected.

[UK Wildcat]

AreleX wrote...

everything i don't agree with i've already said my bit on, so i'll go ahead and agree with nearly all this list, save human infiltrator being put in the 'average' category.

edit: but

UK Wildcat wrote...

-Krogan Soldier: Simply put, inferior to the Sentinel.  Inferno grenade is okay.  Carnage is bad.  I see no reason to play a Krogan Soldier on Gold over a Sentinel UNLESS you want to make Krogan Youtube videos or something.

sneak dissin, shots fired

Not a diss at all, I'm fully in favor of funny youtube videos with all krogan.  You should try the Krogan Grab Only Challenge on Firebase White.

[Gav_Skin]

UK Wildcat wrote...
-Asari Adept: Warp/Throw Combos + Statis(Bubble evolution) make this an incredible CC/Damage class.  One of the two strongest demo classes remains one of the best in the game.  If you sacrifice any ability, I'd go with throw as it's less useful than Warp on Gold.

The only thing to remember here is that, if you want big damage with your warp+throw combo detonations, the damage output of said detonation is based on the power rank of the two powers being used...

ie. Warp @ rank 6 + Throw @ rank 5   >   Warp @ rank 6 + Throw @ rank 3

Also, you can chose +50% damage etc at rank 5 of Throw.

[GGW KillerTiger]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Soldiers are only a good class with the falcon, with any other weapon they are not nearly as effective as other classes. Rating them at the top due to a single weapon is foolish.

-scratches head- my N7 level is over 140 yet I have never seen this gun ..... What is the falcon?

[Malanek]

Diablerist666 wrote...

Every Adept is good on Gold. Especially if u got someone to detonate. Detonating yourself is a little less efficient. And only the Drell Adept can't detonate protected enemies by himself. Well he can with Grenades, but running for Grenades is a little tedious.

Reave detonates pull doesn't it?