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[xxKenshin Himura]

RealLittleWashu wrote...

That would make EA and BW very Happy 

Ok, so it is only unfair when people don't pay for it and decide to use their brains, you know, something anybody can do and doesn't require vast sums of wealth, to glitch to get 1,000,000 credits and work around the system, but if you go through the system and pay for a million dollars worth of credits, suddenly it is all fair to all the players.

Please explain where this begins to make sense

Don't worry, I'll wait...

[Invellous]

Was playing with some individuals earlier, and a random Player proposed that we use this 'glitch; to earn Credits faster. The Player went on to explain that during Wave 10 in a Gold Match you finish the objective then everyone dies, and have the Leader leave. Let the Wave restart, and then send the Leader an invite via an Xbox Live Party. Rinse, and Repeat. Seems more like a system exploit. Regardless of what it would be consider I am not one to do anything that could be considered 'cheating'.

Would this count as cheating? I left the Party myself, and turned off my system to come, and write this.

Modifié par Invellous, 25 mars 2012 - 12:56 .

[xxKenshin Himura]

Invellous wrote...

Was playing with some individuals earlier, and a random Player proposed that we use this 'glitch; to earn Credits faster. The Player went on to explain that during Wave 10 in a Gold Match you finish the objective then everyone dies, and have the Leader leave. Let the Wave restart, and then send the Leader an invite via an Xbox Live Party. Rinse, and Repeat. Seems more like a system exploit. Regardless of what it would be consider I am not one to do anything that could be considered 'cheating'.

Would this count as cheating? I left the Party myself, and turned off my system to come, and write this.

In the interest of science I just tried that and it doesn't work. It resets the credits with the round. I think Bioware is at least competent enough to realize that if they allowed you to keep your credits and restart the wave, then the community would find out about it in no time flat.

[Invellous]

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

In the interest of science I just tried that and it doesn't work. It resets the credits with the round. I think Bioware is at least competent enough to realize that if they allowed you to keep your credits and restart the wave, then the community would find out about it in no time flat.

 The indiviual claimed that it works, and perhaps I did not hear it all correctly. Whatever the case I was not going to take part in anything like that. I like the Muiltplayer, and would like to continue to enjoy it.

[omelet bob]

Soooo... I know the "exploit" you're talking about, and it does MAYBE sound like cheating (maybe).
Playing the devils advocate here, it's kinda not. Now the only other game I play alot online is halo and they kinda have a credit system like this (big stretch) but you are not considers cheating if you are playing the game even if you are farming the same this over and over restarting from some point to earn credits. This this exploit you have to play, you have to have at least 3 level 20s and you will die alot and you will use rockets and you can fail. After all you're playing the hardest level on the hardest difficulty over and over.

Sounds to me like just a farm not a cheat.

On that note I are why someone would do it because of the system to get weapons is kinda broken. I met a guy who did it alot and he has a level 10 widow and most other weapons but he just wants even a level 1 black widow and can't get it. He just keeps getting experience packs even though he has everything level 20 and all the appearance options. Fair? Doesn't sound that way to me.

Now I know bungie isn't bioware, but for me it's the closest I got.

Just playing devils advocate, and that's my 2 cents in the jar.

[xxKenshin Himura]

Yeah, you'll like the multiplayer, all up until you've unlocked all the common rare guns at X and then get nothing but gold character cards that you already have maxed out and power reset cards. Then you will see just how "fun" the multiplayer is.

[omelet bob]

O sorry this is my last befor i go back to lurking,
But I should offer and alternative If I criticize.

I suggest "class spesific" packs. Now I know that any class can carry any weapon but bear with me. There would be like o I dunno, infiltrator packs which would feature only pistols and snipers say and all there fun add on and upgrades. This would make it so the player then decides which side of the board to play on. And if they only want to do one thing they do one thing, but if they want to surf the board they must go to another pack or maybe a completely random pack possibly for less.

Cus it just doesn't seem ... Fair? No, it doesn't seem right that if someone just wants to have a weapon that changes the game machanics for them an plays alot can only get shotguns, ect.

Thanks for listening and have fun gaming

[tj987654321]

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

Invellous wrote...

Was playing with some individuals earlier, and a random Player proposed that we use this 'glitch; to earn Credits faster. The Player went on to explain that during Wave 10 in a Gold Match you finish the objective then everyone dies, and have the Leader leave. Let the Wave restart, and then send the Leader an invite via an Xbox Live Party. Rinse, and Repeat. Seems more like a system exploit. Regardless of what it would be consider I am not one to do anything that could be considered 'cheating'.

Would this count as cheating? I left the Party myself, and turned off my system to come, and write this.

In the interest of science I just tried that and it doesn't work. It resets the credits with the round. I think Bioware is at least competent enough to realize that if they allowed you to keep your credits and restart the wave, then the community would find out about it in no time flat.

Actually, I have tried it multiple times in a row to see if it works, and it does. I'm not going to say specifically how it is done (because others will do it), but I did PM Chris on the issue and how it can be exactly replicated.

And besides testing the problem, I would never participate in this type of "cheating" because it takes all the fun out of the game. It is cheating because it greatly increases the rate of credit collection. You could easily get over 100,000 in less than ten minutes by this exploit.

[Caz Tirin]

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

Yeah, you'll like the multiplayer, all up until you've unlocked all the common rare guns at X and then get nothing but gold character cards that you already have maxed out and power reset cards. Then you will see just how "fun" the multiplayer is.

Some folks play for other reasons than gear and unlocks.

[xxKenshin Himura]

Caz Tirin wrote...

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

Yeah, you'll like the multiplayer, all up until you've unlocked all the common rare guns at X and then get nothing but gold character cards that you already have maxed out and power reset cards. Then you will see just how "fun" the multiplayer is.

Some folks play for other reasons than gear and unlocks.

Oh, ok. So keep playing with the same weak weapons and see how exciting the game stays. Don't spend another credit on spectre packs. Just recruit packs for medigel and the like.
Some folks don't play for other reasons than gear and unlocks

[xxKenshin Himura]

tj987654321 wrote...

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

Invellous wrote...

Was playing with some individuals earlier, and a random Player proposed that we use this 'glitch; to earn Credits faster. The Player went on to explain that during Wave 10 in a Gold Match you finish the objective then everyone dies, and have the Leader leave. Let the Wave restart, and then send the Leader an invite via an Xbox Live Party. Rinse, and Repeat. Seems more like a system exploit. Regardless of what it would be consider I am not one to do anything that could be considered 'cheating'.

Would this count as cheating? I left the Party myself, and turned off my system to come, and write this.

In the interest of science I just tried that and it doesn't work. It resets the credits with the round. I think Bioware is at least competent enough to realize that if they allowed you to keep your credits and restart the wave, then the community would find out about it in no time flat.

Actually, I have tried it multiple times in a row to see if it works, and it does. I'm not going to say specifically how it is done (because others will do it), but I did PM Chris on the issue and how it can be exactly replicated.

And besides testing the problem, I would never participate in this type of "cheating" because it takes all the fun out of the game. It is cheating because it greatly increases the rate of credit collection. You could easily get over 100,000 in less than ten minutes by this exploit.

A flashback to tj987654321 's childhood.
"Teacher teacher, those kids got candy and we didn't"

Honestly, what do you care? They aren't bothering you and you don't have to participate in a PRIVATE match if you don't want to. That's the problem with people, always trying to tell other people how they should do things if it in no way concerns them.

"But they will all have uber cool weapons and I won't because I chose not to participate and it affects me that way"

Wrong, you affect you that way by choosing not to. Besides, it is not as if the weapons allow you to one shot enemies anyway. There is still a decent amount of damage that they can take before they die, so I would prefer somebody on my team with Paladin X to help with those banshees.

It is also in your best interest to let these boosters get it out of their system because the sooner they max out everything to X, the sooner they stop playing, the sooner they stop joing games to die at wave 10 after completing objective to skip the extraction.

It is amazing how undesirables eventually leave if you just mind your own business.

[Choc]

If anyone is curious what a cheater looks like, I ran into one while streaming last night. Stuck around for two rounds before I quit the game for the day in disgust. He was mowing down entire waves with a rank seven million Collector Rifle, regardless of where they were on the level. The first game ended with him having a score of over three hundred thousand points. The second game, he did the same but was somehow able to kill enemies without getting any credit for the kills, and ended the game with almost no points despite massacring entire waves. This is the first time I've encountered this, and I hope the last. I will never be able to comprehend the mindset of a cheater, let alone one that cheats in a co-op game.

http://www.twitch.tv...obo/b/312752499

Modifié par Choc, 25 mars 2012 - 04:07 .

[NaclynE]

hchadw wrote...

how can you cheat in a game thats versus AI only.....what does it matter really... who gets hurt the bots?

Well the only thing I can come up with off hand is probably "kill stealing" or somehow someone comes in first place with a higher score while doing very little work. The whole Kill stealing I don't really 100% care much about because i do get assisst points (I belive) but I still don't know about how people get top score while I drop guys like nothing (Atlas's even) all alone, get alot of points per round, never get dropped, and do not get first place.

It may sound like sour grapes or whatever but I don't know what they mean by "cheating" myself unless my score is being switcehd somehow with someone who is doing crappy.

[NaclynE]

Choc wrote...

If anyone is curious what a cheater looks like, I ran into one while streaming last night. Stuck around for two rounds before I quit the game for the day in disgust. He was mowing down entire waves with a rank seven million Collector Rifle, regardless of where they were on the level. The first game ended with him having a score of over three hundred thousand points. The second game, he did the same but was somehow able to kill enemies without getting any credit for the kills, and ended the game with almost no points despite massacring entire waves. This is the first time I've encountered this, and I hope the last. I will never be able to comprehend the mindset of a cheater, let alone one that cheats in a co-op game.

http://www.twitch.tv...obo/b/312752499

I had those kind of people do that as well. This seems noticeable and I do not care to know how. Originally I thought it was a glitch but if this is a cheat (even for the 360) then damn I guess this is a problem.

[DivineDrake]

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

RealLittleWashu wrote...

That would make EA and BW very Happy 

Ok, so it is only unfair when people don't pay for it and decide to use their brains, you know, something anybody can do and doesn't require vast sums of wealth, to glitch to get 1,000,000 credits and work around the system, but if you go through the system and pay for a million dollars worth of credits, suddenly it is all fair to all the players.

Please explain where this begins to make sense

Don't worry, I'll wait...

Dude I totally respect your opinion but I believe it lies in ur choice and if you are willing to take the high road. What I mean is, if somebody comes up to you and says "steal this valuable item for me and you will be rewarded" but the choice is in your hands if you do steal it you are rewarded. In this case "bioware credits". I m not implying that hacking is as the same offence as stealing but it is almost close to that and its not ethical. Its just like everybody is waiting in line at a free clinic, and you are jus gonna cut the line for treatment. That just aint right. Then again like you said using money to buy bioware credits. Dude how could you even compare spending your hard earned cash and "cheating". This way it just sounds like you stole from someone and use it for your personal gain. " If person A bought his Ferrari and person B stole a Ferrari, the fact is not both of them own Ferrari but how you choose to obtain it  and person B will go to jail for commiting a crime" Respectfully speaking I dont know how it is in your place but cheating is wrong from where I come from. Also my mommy told me cheaters never prosper. These could be the reason why people may choose not to cheat.

FREE WILL BROTHERB)

[Sjrv]

The game is meant to be played according to a given set of rules. Even if you are able to modify them, you are not supposed to do so unless you want to be considered a cheater. It's that simple. Really.
It's not about choice or being smarter or some crap like "you can learn to cheat as well". People want to play the game as it's meant to be played, not like some wannabe smartass wants it to be played.
Are you gonna bring money from your own set of Monopoly to another game and tell other players they could have done the same? Or move the chess pawn 3 squares instead of 1 and wonder why your opponent didn't do so as well? Why would video games be any different? You can tamper with almost any game, but somehow people tend to be more forgiving when it comes to video games. Dunno why.

[UpYoursChildren]

So.. Just had a game were everyone was invincible. I saw people surviving 1 hit kills repeatedly, and I was wondering if there was some weird mechanic I wasn’t aware of.. Of course not. I first asked what the deal was, no anwser. After letting myself get grabbed by a Banshee voluntarily, I saw I remained standing, and my health refilled. I quit the game to forfeit my game rewards. So.. Cheat or bug?

Modifié par UpYoursChildren, 25 mars 2012 - 09:43 .

[MartialArtsSurfer]

NaclynE wrote...

hchadw wrote...

how can you cheat in a game thats versus AI only.....what does it matter really... who gets hurt the bots?

Well the only thing I can come up with off hand is probably "kill stealing" or somehow someone comes in first place with a higher score while doing very little work. The whole Kill stealing I don't really 100% care much about because i do get assisst points (I belive) but I still don't know about how people get top score while I drop guys like nothing (Atlas's even) all alone, get alot of points per round, never get dropped, and do not get first place.

It may sound like sour grapes or whatever but I don't know what they mean by "cheating" myself unless my score is being switcehd somehow with someone who is doing crappy.

there is no 'kill stealing' in Mass Effect..

True to Bioware's RPG pedigree, ALL experience is equallly GIVEN to ALL party squad members, just like in any RPG or MMO.& everyone GETS THE SUM TOTAL OF ALL THE EXPERIENCE of the party members added up together

Player 1 scores 50,000 xp
Player 2 scores 30,000 xp
Player 3 scores 20,000 xp
Player 4 scores 10,000 xp

At end of mission, EVERYONE gets 110,000 xp, the SUM TOTAL of every member's experience added up together (you don't even have to fire a shot).

It's done this way because in RPGs, casters/healers help by crowd controlling/healing/reviving, not via kills.

You also get more experience for killing/damaging with biotic/tech explosions, using biotic/tech powers, reviving, accomplishing objectives, headshots, etc

You get the least amount of experience using weapon kills

[X2-Elijah]

Ugh. Just got randomly put into a game that was apparently cheated.. Everything seemed like your normal silver game, and at the end, it turns out we get 150k credits (!) and the top-scorer is a human infiltrator with a shotgun. And yes, thinking back, he only died once due to banshee instakill, and he always ran well away from the team... But nothing during the match was obviously wrong... So there was no way to tell the hack until it was too late :|

I HATE when such things happen.
Ofc, reported to the cheater-email with all the details, but at the moment that stupid 150k is in my account too, and I don't bloody want it. And I don't feel safe playing the game, or using the store, until the devs remove that amount, otherwise they may think I was responsible for the money-hack or something :|

Bottom line, cheaters suck.

If you see a guy " lIiNr3DeBeI" hosting a game on the PC version, back out immediately... Figures he'd make a username that's hard to even write down/report.

Modifié par X2-Elijah, 25 mars 2012 - 12:30 .

[RealLittleWashu]

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

RealLittleWashu wrote...

That would make EA and BW very Happy 

Ok, so it is only unfair when people don't pay for it and decide to use their brains, you know, something anybody can do and doesn't require vast sums of wealth, to glitch to get 1,000,000 credits and work around the system, but if you go through the system and pay for a million dollars worth of credits, suddenly it is all fair to all the players.

Please explain where this begins to make sense

Don't worry, I'll wait...

You probably have to take into context where that comment came from. You cant take both sides of the debate. 

You claim that anyone that can cheet will. And then you claim that if someone uses real cash to gain advantage they will. 

Well the design of this sytem is to use your time/skill or cash. Not to pull a NEO and code in extra coins at the end of every mission.

Thats all

RealLittleWashu wrote...

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

BloodClaw95 wrote...

hchadw wrote...

how can you cheat in a game thats versus AI only.....what does it matter really... who gets hurt the bots?

-Hacker gets 1,000,000 credits
-Unfair to the other players who don't hack

Not the hacker's problem that the other players don't know how to hack. They can learn to hack just as easily as the hacker, but they choose not to so they choose not to get a 100,000,00 credits

Wrong!.

Just because you can does not say you will.

Anyway, its verry easy to verrify who used more credits then they should have. Bassed on the information that is logged. Such as amount of levels and promotions as well as how many successfull games won and so on. 1 mill would equate to at winning over 16 gold games and net under 400 levels after its all said and done. Factor in how fast you do those missions and you can verry well detect who has used said "hack" to gain credits. 

Let me put it another way. If some billionaire spent a million dollars buying spectre packs, would that be unfair to the other players.

Can and will. 

Modifié par RealLittleWashu, 25 mars 2012 - 04:06 .

[RealLittleWashu]

Invellous wrote...

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

In the interest of science I just tried that and it doesn't work. It resets the credits with the round. I think Bioware is at least competent enough to realize that if they allowed you to keep your credits and restart the wave, then the community would find out about it in no time flat.

 The indiviual claimed that it works, and perhaps I did not hear it all correctly. Whatever the case I was not going to take part in anything like that. I like the Muiltplayer, and would like to continue to enjoy it.

It could also be a smoke screen to throw off any direct link to how exactly they are doing the "cheet" peronaly the cheet is very simple. And has been verified by many already. 

If there are glitchs to the system then those are difficult to pull off as far as the "simple" solution for most "NEO":whistle: players.

[everriaal]

How about being immortal ?

I was just in one game with guy running around the map on gold with geths and he never died.

Just stood in middle of a pack, waited as they come close and used rocket... wth...

[RealLittleWashu]

 MartialArtsSurfer  wrote...

there is no 'kill stealing' in Mass Effect..

True to Bioware's RPG pedigree, ALL experience is equallly GIVEN to ALL party squad members, just like in any RPG or MMO.& everyone GETS THE SUM TOTAL OF ALL THE EXPERIENCE of the party members added up together

Player 1 scores 50,000 xp
Player 2 scores 30,000 xp
Player 3 scores 20,000 xp
Player 4 scores 10,000 xp

At end of mission, EVERYONE gets 110,000 xp, the SUM TOTAL of every member's experience added up together (you don't even have to fire a shot). 

It's done this way because in RPGs, casters/healers help by crowd controlling/healing/reviving, not via kills.

You also get more experience for killing/damaging with biotic/tech explosions, using biotic/tech powers, reviving, accomplishing objectives, headshots, etc

You get the least amount of experience using weapon kills 

The point system in this MP is balanced to the team and eventhe leader board is only by rank levels/promotions.
However the me first mentality is hard to forget. 

To be honest never getting noticed for kill spam is never fun for the ego.

I personaly do not have a problem to modify the game for myself in SP mode to make things intresting.
However when you include the public to your modified game followed by how many complaints bioware will get. You should not expect to survive the reprisal.

Edit: Quote did not post correctly.

Modifié par RealLittleWashu, 25 mars 2012 - 04:05 .

[X2-Elijah]

Not sure what your point there was, RLW.

[RealLittleWashu]

X2-Elijah wrote...

Ugh. Just got randomly put into a game that was apparently cheated.. Everything seemed like your normal silver game, and at the end, it turns out we get 150k credits (!) and the top-scorer is a human infiltrator with a shotgun. And yes, thinking back, he only died once due to banshee instakill, and he always ran well away from the team... But nothing during the match was obviously wrong... So there was no way to tell the hack until it was too late :|

I HATE when such things happen.
Ofc, reported to the cheater-email with all the details, but at the moment that stupid 150k is in my account too, and I don't bloody want it. And I don't feel safe playing the game, or using the store, until the devs remove that amount, otherwise they may think I was responsible for the money-hack or something :|

Bottom line, cheaters suck.

If you see a guy " lIiNr3DeBeI" hosting a game on the PC version, back out immediately... Figures he'd make a username that's hard to even write down/report.

This is more inline with the "cheet" that is plaguing the mp game on PC and XBOX at the moment.