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[X2-Elijah]

Aha, I see, just a misquote No probs then. And yeah, some might say that getting 150k credits per game might not be so bad, but.. I don't like it. Not to mention potential problems, it just screws up the balance...

[ksn032]

I joined s Silver game and the end result was that total exp was 271k. Is this actually possible? The host got 150k exp by himself. I got kicked during the results screen so I didn't note the name.

Edit: Random Map, Random Enemy. It was laggy for me so I couldn't really see if there were one hit kills or the like.

Modifié par ksn032, 25 mars 2012 - 04:41 .

[Kylar616]

ksn032 wrote...

I joined s Silver game and the end result was that total exp was 271k. Is this actually possible? The host got 150k exp by himself. I got kicked during the results screen so I didn't note the name.

Edit: Random Map, Random Enemy. It was laggy for me so I couldn't really see if there were one hit kills or the like.

I think it is. got about 240k once this weekend with 100k of it mine. 25% exp boost this weekend remember.

Modifié par Kylar616, 25 mars 2012 - 04:52 .

[Raging Nug]

  From what I can tell, the bug can also be used to unlock the Unwavering Achievement/Trophy. In addition, it allows people to earn an easy 45k which they would then spend on randomized game gear.
Doesn't the fact that it's randomized kind of mean that they don't have better chances of earning better gear? They have more opportunities, certainly, but really, who gives a damn? My N7 rank is around 130. I've unlocked all of the multiplayer characters with the exception of the Turian Soldier. If I see a newbie using a Turian Soldier, why should I care? Does it mean he's been cheating? Why should I care about what other people have unlocked? How would it impact me in any way shape or form? This is a co-operative multiplayer. Until we start shooting at each other, I have no reason to give a single ****.

Furthermore, there's a bug that allows people to lose all of their unlocks and items. Bioware and EA have yet to do anything about it. It's been almost three weeks, and nothing. I think that if someone wants to exploit the bug to get their gear back, they're more than entitled to do so.

Problem?

[xxKenshin Himura]

DivineDrake wrote...

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

RealLittleWashu wrote...

That would make EA and BW very Happy 

Ok, so it is only unfair when people don't pay for it and decide to use their brains, you know, something anybody can do and doesn't require vast sums of wealth, to glitch to get 1,000,000 credits and work around the system, but if you go through the system and pay for a million dollars worth of credits, suddenly it is all fair to all the players.

Please explain where this begins to make sense

Don't worry, I'll wait...

Dude I totally respect your opinion but I believe it lies in ur choice and if you are willing to take the high road. What I mean is, if somebody comes up to you and says "steal this valuable item for me and you will be rewarded" but the choice is in your hands if you do steal it you are rewarded. In this case "bioware credits". I m not implying that hacking is as the same offence as stealing but it is almost close to that and its not ethical. Its just like everybody is waiting in line at a free clinic, and you are jus gonna cut the line for treatment. That just aint right. Then again like you said using money to buy bioware credits. Dude how could you even compare spending your hard earned cash and "cheating". This way it just sounds like you stole from someone and use it for your personal gain. " If person A bought his Ferrari and person B stole a Ferrari, the fact is not both of them own Ferrari but how you choose to obtain it  and person B will go to jail for commiting a crime" Respectfully speaking I dont know how it is in your place but cheating is wrong from where I come from. Also my mommy told me cheaters never prosper. These could be the reason why people may choose not to cheat.

FREE WILL BROTHERB)

You obviously didn't read my post. People say that hackers getting a million credits is unfair to the other players. But if somebody goes and buys a million dollars worth of spectre boxes, is that all of a sudden not unfair to the other players? Not everyone has a million dollars, but everyone can learn how to hack. The only person that your "Ferrari" analogy applies to is Bioware, and in all honesty, screw Bioware. They made their money, they disappointed us with this horrible random box system, their garbage ending, and their lack of attention to character development by focusing so much on that Cortez dude and Traynor instead of the ME2 LIs and ME1 squad mates.

The point is, unfair to other players vs unfair to bioware. Be sure to mind that distinction.

[xxKenshin Himura]

Sjrv wrote...

The game is meant to be played according to a given set of rules. Even if you are able to modify them, you are not supposed to do so unless you want to be considered a cheater. It's that simple. Really.
It's not about choice or being smarter or some crap like "you can learn to cheat as well". People want to play the game as it's meant to be played, not like some wannabe smartass wants it to be played.
Are you gonna bring money from your own set of Monopoly to another game and tell other players they could have done the same? Or move the chess pawn 3 squares instead of 1 and wonder why your opponent didn't do so as well? Why would video games be any different? You can tamper with almost any game, but somehow people tend to be more forgiving when it comes to video games. Dunno why.

Once again, all of those instances you pointed out would have been unfair to the other players (monopoly money, super chess pawns, etc) Someone hacking to get 1,000,000 credits in no way affects the other players. It doesn't cause there to be a short supply of spectre packs because hacker is buying all of them.

What I am saying is that if it is in no way unfair to the other players, DO NOT WORRY ABOUT IT. You don't seem to have a problem with people buying a million dollars worth of spectre packs (which would be like bringing your own monopoly money to the board game) so why should you have a problem with somebody hacking a million credits?

[llandwynwyn]

Just played with my first cheater. He stopped moving after wave 3 then the "magic" started :/

[xxKenshin Himura]

RealLittleWashu wrote...

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

RealLittleWashu wrote...

That would make EA and BW very Happy 

Ok, so it is only unfair when people don't pay for it and decide to use their brains, you know, something anybody can do and doesn't require vast sums of wealth, to glitch to get 1,000,000 credits and work around the system, but if you go through the system and pay for a million dollars worth of credits, suddenly it is all fair to all the players.

Please explain where this begins to make sense

Don't worry, I'll wait...

You probably have to take into context where that comment came from. You cant take both sides of the debate. 

You claim that anyone that can cheet will. And then you claim that if someone uses real cash to gain advantage they will. 

Well the design of this sytem is to use your time/skill or cash. Not to pull a NEO and code in extra coins at the end of every mission.

Thats all

1. I don't claim that anybody that can cheat will. I merely state that everybody has the opportunity to learn how to cheat, but they can choose not to. So do not get all up in arms when somebody who decides to cheat (and it in no way affects other players) does so, because you had the same opportunity to learn and chose not to.

2. I also do not claim that anybody who can use real cash to gain advantage will. Everybody can spend but they choose not to, so do not get all up in arms when somebody who decides to use money does so (because that also in no way affects other players). If either of these two options was unfair, it would be using real world cash option. Because not everybody has a million dollars to spend on spectre but everyone can learn to hack and get 1 million credits

So the point is, and please do not misinterpret again, if you are okay with somebody spending a million dollars on spectre packs then you should be okay with someone spending 1,000,000 hacked credits.

So once again, don't worry I'll wait... (for you to explain why it is unfair to other players for people to use hacked credits to buy spec packs but not unfair to other players for people to use real money to buy spec packs)

[RealLittleWashu]

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

RealLittleWashu wrote...

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

RealLittleWashu wrote...

That would make EA and BW very Happy 

Ok, so it is only unfair when people don't pay for it and decide to use their brains, you know, something anybody can do and doesn't require vast sums of wealth, to glitch to get 1,000,000 credits and work around the system, but if you go through the system and pay for a million dollars worth of credits, suddenly it is all fair to all the players.

Please explain where this begins to make sense

Don't worry, I'll wait...

You probably have to take into context where that comment came from. You cant take both sides of the debate. 

You claim that anyone that can cheet will. And then you claim that if someone uses real cash to gain advantage they will. 

Well the design of this sytem is to use your time/skill or cash. Not to pull a NEO and code in extra coins at the end of every mission.

Thats all

1. I don't claim that anybody that can cheat will. I merely state that everybody has the opportunity to learn how to cheat, but they can choose not to. So do not get all up in arms when somebody who decides to cheat (and it in no way affects other players) does so, because you had the same opportunity to learn and chose not to.

2. I also do not claim that anybody who can use real cash to gain advantage will. Everybody can spend but they choose not to, so do not get all up in arms when somebody who decides to use money does so (because that also in no way affects other players). If either of these two options was unfair, it would be using real world cash option. Because not everybody has a million dollars to spend on spectre but everyone can learn to hack and get 1 million credits

So the point is, and please do not misinterpret again, if you are okay with somebody spending a million dollars on spectre packs then you should be okay with someone spending 1,000,000 hacked credits.

So once again, don't worry I'll wait... (for you to explain why it is unfair to other players for people to use hacked credits to buy spec packs but not unfair to other players for people to use real money to buy spec packs)

I never claimed it be Unfair for the other players. Unless of course the "other players" have entered a modified game.
 Or if said players wanted to be the top 10 in the leader boards and not be branded a cheater no matter the skill/cash/"tweeks".

As far as the credit "tweek" i think if you stick with starter packs more power to you since you cant use RL money on those. However if you use said "credits" on specter packs if Bioware clamps down I would not play the I did not know card. since those "packs" you can gain with RL money.

So my suggestion to all those that run into said "tweek" game gold/skill/ability. Leave and play another map or stick to your own host. That way you get the best "ping" and not that much lag. And you can score more "kills" then the other players as you would lag less.

And those players that "tweek" your maps please make sure to tell others this is a "tweeked" map before you let them join. That way you may avoid to "ruin" other players fun or by having them stress about getting in trouble.

Don't forget those that host "tweeked" maps. How hard the ban hammer hits is unknown untill it hits.

Edit: I wanted to add this. The ability to tweak difficulty/powers/weapons/life/shields for both the player and the npc's is something that should be explored officially IMHO. However if one does choose to have a team play on said map not having credits rewarded at the end or even xp given at the end would  not be unwarranted.

It's true the use of "private" maps would stop the ongoing speculation on how a given "tweek" health/weapon/powers was done. As to the motivations behind a NEO opening up their maps to the public is another topic for speculation.

Modifié par RealLittleWashu, 25 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[L3Gi0N_7]

The game is having a few problems...one is the buying the packs with credits and all of a sudden you get a message saying that there was an error with the purchases and you lose the credits. Although this problem fixes itself in time, it could scare the reapers out of the player. Second the game is getting a little buggy, especially with melee, hopefully this gets resloved, but I still LOVE THIS GAME!!!

[Star fury]

Got infinite ammo while playing with some randoms. Is it a glitch or cheating?

Modifié par Star fury, 26 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[IMMYM]

ShadowOfZara wrote...

In the demo I ran into one game where everybody was one shotting everything on silver, even with wimpy weapons and that just ruined that game for me, was so freaking boring, so don't tell me cheating doesn't negatively affect anyone. You may not mind being carried through a match, or earning a billion credits in one match or whatnot, but those of us who actually want to EARN what they get, not to mention have fun and the possibility of a challenge, are quite harmed by cheaters. Also yes, I know I can just leave a match where someone is obviously cheating, but it isn't always so obvious >.>

oh so the one-shotting is actually cheating...
I played as an Asari Adept in the demo, and there was one time that I could almost one-shotting everything with Stasis...on Bronze though. Plus I just about upgraded my Stasis to lv.6 so I thought maybe that was the reason...and I honestly had no opinion it was actually cheating 'cause I never again chose the same upgrade for Stasis...

so here's a question, if you've cheated without knowing it (maybe some cheats can affect the whole team?), does that make you flagged as a cheater as well?

*also I believe infinite ammo IS cheating... but has anyone mentioned the glitch that happens with Vanguard using Biotic Charge? Sometimes you end up standing in the mid-air or falling down infinitely...I think THAT is more distrubing and annoying than cheating...'cause I've seen that happen a lot more often than people cheating...

*EDIT: Ooops, just realized this is a Multi-Player Cheating discussion thread...not MP in general, so sorry about complaining about the glitches here. 

Modifié par IMMYM, 26 mars 2012 - 06:19 .

[shenlonzero]

Yeah, unfortunately had someone on xbox live try and get our group to cheat. we booted him and blocked him. someone in our group knew him and deleted him as well. glad some attention is being brought to this, just being bothered with it while trying to enjoy the game is annoying enough. pretty sure the fine for this should be hefty...

[Twisted Mind]

@IMMYM
Maybe, you have not been cheating. Which weapon did you use? Bronze oponents are really weak and any better weapon will one shot troopers. On top of that, stasis can give you +40% damage on trapped enemies. If you used some crappy gun and was one shot killing nemesis and centurions (and phantoms), than someone cheated. Even if that actually happened, i wouldn't worry about it. It was only one bronze mach and you didn't get more credits than you should have (i presume you would mention this)

[Demon King Oda]

Just reported some guys using a credit glitch. Doing my part. Wish you guys would stop arguing and help them root out the cheaters. We're all on the same side here.

[OriginalTibs]

Odd thing happened, and it wasn't cheating if cheating means the player did something intentionally to gain advantage. I had a L19 playing Bronze the whole time. I decided I would try silver and was waiting for a group of three in silver, and a fourth never showed up, so I ducked back out and went for another bronze session.

Understand I am pretty bad at MP and almost always come in dead last in the point scores, partly because it seems like everyone has awesome weapons but me, but also because I tend to be too slow and die too often, and too slow and usually don't get the kills.

It would be helpful if voice chat worked better so we could have a chance to coordinate better.

However when I bounced back to Bronze I was placed in a group of low level teammates and it seemed like my armor and weapon were OP: I was blowing everything away and my shields were strong.

Were my settings brought back from Silver into a Bronze environment?

Still, I managed to get myself into trouble, died and fell through the world. When I rezzed at the end of the cycle I was beneath the LZ and could not pivot or move: If I fired my weapon I hit my own shields. Then when the others were extracted at the end of wave 11 I was stuck in an interminable loading screen and never did see my ending score.

Bottom line is that there is no evidence that people are cheating if the game can throw the player into an overpowered state.

Before saying someone is cheating, the game has to be made solid so that accidents cannot make it look like they are cheating. 

Modifié par OriginalTibs, 26 mars 2012 - 02:30 .

[Pandaman102]

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

What I am saying is that if it is in no way unfair to the other players, DO NOT WORRY ABOUT IT. You don't seem to have a problem with people buying a million dollars worth of spectre packs (which would be like bringing your own monopoly money to the board game) so why should you have a problem with somebody hacking a million credits?

This is a rather odd argument, but let me throw in my two cents:

- Veteran and Spectre Packs can be purchased with Bioware Points.
- Bioware Points are purchased with money.
- To protect this cash cow, Bioware/EA will ban players who consistently earn more credits than they should.
- Other players also benefit from credit cheats.
- The more cheaters there are, the greater the possibility that you will inadvertently benefit from cheats.
- The more you benefit from other people's cheats, the greater the chance you'll be identified as a cheater.
- Being banned (and unable to access your paid-for DLC items) for something you didn't do is unfair.

So if someone wants to cheat, fine - that's their call and their risk, but if they bring it to a public game, they're now sharing that risk with others. If a cheater gets reported then it's because he/she was cheating in public and therefore putting others at risk. There's nothing to defend about this behavior.

Modifié par Pandaman102, 26 mars 2012 - 02:54 .

[Landge]

If anything BioWare is cheating the players! This weekend I barely managed to earn over 120k creds. I have had NO MediGel and No Spec-Ops kits in ages (whatever the Health/Shield restore kits are called)! THESE NEED TO BE STANDARD IN EVERY RECRUIT KIT BY DEFAULT!!!

I typically come in 3rd or 4th place on maps. Sweet now I can buy 2 specter packs!!! But what do I get was the "unable to complete transaction" or whatever that error message reads. Now I'm out 120k and no NEW items or unlocks to show for it! I have the same crappy weapons I had before. Great I can change the skin tone. Whoopdy do!

BioWare needs to fix their glitchy "store" and stupid random kits so people can buy what the hell they want instead of getting crap they already have! Atleast give us the option to SEE what we are going to get BEFORE final purchase and give us the option to PASS and RE-ROLL. That should lessen the chance of people resorting to cheat out of frustration.

BioWare I want my credits back!!!

Modifié par Landge, 26 mars 2012 - 03:12 .

[CptBomBom00]

LOL, I've seen people in Halo Reach life-switching, especially in Team Slayer, yeah people cheat and the will always cheat unless, you guys at BioWare develop some kind of a fail-safe that prevents people from cheating, till then **** will happen.

[eshrafel]

I keep getting Cerberus troopers stuck in the walls, damned cheaters. Come out and fight!!

[LadyAlekto]

As a note to everyone here

Please be sure it is a cheater and not someone superior to you, it recently started here in me3mp that i get called cheater and booted from games, and i am getting tired of this **** that already once drove me from playing online, it stopped me playing blackops mostly and it starts to rid me out of bf3

(reasons i "cheated" according to that stupid l20 vanguard nap: No one can get second place in silver with a l5 infiltrator and a raptor-.-)

I do hope bioware knows the difference between newbs crying at their doorsteps and real cheaters (aka know when a report is bs, at least)

*angry rant at naps that "report" everyone kicking more ass then these selftitled superpros believe to be possible*

[IMMYM]

Twisted Mind wrote...

@IMMYM
Maybe, you have not been cheating. Which weapon did you use? Bronze oponents are really weak and any better weapon will one shot troopers. On top of that, stasis can give you +40% damage on trapped enemies. If you used some crappy gun and was one shot killing nemesis and centurions (and phantoms), than someone cheated. Even if that actually happened, i wouldn't worry about it. It was only one bronze mach and you didn't get more credits than you should have (i presume you would mention this)

I remember using a M5 Phalanx (III-V, I think...), but the thing is sometimes I could just instantly kill Ceberus  troopers with ONLY Stasis...
though it'd be kinda dumb if someone was cheating intentionally...since at the end I got the most kills because of that...
and yes I don't remember I get a huge amount of credits in the end...

Modifié par IMMYM, 26 mars 2012 - 06:09 .

[xxKenshin Himura]

Demon King Oda wrote...

Just reported some guys using a credit glitch. Doing my part to be a tattle tale. Wish you guys would stop arguing and help them root out the cheaters. We're all on the same side here.

Wow, you reported some people for doing a credit glitch, instead of just saying "Not for me" and backing out. If they want to glitch, let them. It in no way impacts you so it is not your problem.

Grow up.

[xxKenshin Himura]

Pandaman102 wrote...

This is a rather odd argument, but let me throw in my two cents:

- Veteran and Spectre Packs can be purchased with Bioware Points.
- Bioware Points are purchased with money.
- To protect this cash cow, Bioware/EA will ban players who consistently earn more credits than they should.
- Other players also benefit from credit cheats.
- The more cheaters there are, the greater the possibility that you will inadvertently benefit from cheats.
- The more you benefit from other people's cheats, the greater the chance you'll be identified as a cheater.
- Being banned (and unable to access your paid-for DLC items) for something you didn't do is unfair.

So if someone wants to cheat, fine - that's their call and their risk, but if they bring it to a public game, they're now sharing that risk with others. If a cheater gets reported then it's because he/she was cheating in public and therefore putting others at risk. There's nothing to defend about this behavior.

The only thing that Bioware has a problem with people glitching credits instead of buying them is that they do not get any money for people who glitch credits. It does not in any way affect you, the player, because you do not get a percentage of the sales from bioware point purchases.

How can I benefit from somebody who I've never met getting a million credits? I'm still stuck with my 70k that I got from beating gold, soon down to 10k and more crap from the spectre box that I don't need.

[Walk2k]

It does affect you if someone is 1-shotting everything with the starting pistol, which you are not likely to have in your kit, so you never get any kills, and the game is way way too easy. Gold and Silver are supposed to be challenging.. in the game I saw cheating, I could have sat there doing nothing and the cheaters would have finished the game in 10 minutes, maybe less. (I didn't, I left the game when it was obvious they were cheating).

It's a game, it's supposed to be fun. If a cheater is taking away the fun for other players, it's a problem, anyone can see that.