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[DravicPL]

Once again.

Do you consider getting credits in a dry form (just credits, outside of the match) through cheating as a ban-worth cheat if you don't even know if the players you are playing with did it? Surely I do share your opinion on those ikillenemiesfasterthanishootbullets cheats, but do free (cheated) credits OUTSIDE of exploits/bugs/glitches, just a pure credit cheat, make you cry and report those cheaters?

You know, in my language there is a very wise "saying", can't tell if there is something similiar in English. It goes something like this (although I do know translating saying exactly like you hear it in given language doesn't work too well):

What eyes can't see, the heart can't regret.

[xxKenshin Himura]

Walk2k wrote...

It does affect you if someone is 1-shotting everything with the starting pistol, which you are not likely to have in your kit, so you never get any kills, and the game is way way too easy. Gold and Silver are supposed to be challenging.. in the game I saw cheating, I could have sat there doing nothing and the cheaters would have finished the game in 10 minutes, maybe less. (I didn't, I left the game when it was obvious they were cheating).

It's a game, it's supposed to be fun. If a cheater is taking away the fun for other players, it's a problem, anyone can see that.

not talking about glitches that allow you to one shot (for the record, no gun allows you to one shot, just be slightly better at taking enemies out and give different feels to shooting things) those sorts of things do mess up the game and take away from the challenge and the fun factor of the other players.

The people doing the credit glitches are just glitching credits, not altering the actual gameplay.

[xxKenshin Himura]

DravicPL wrote...

Once again.

Do you consider getting credits in a dry form (just credits, outside of the match) through cheating as a ban-worth cheat if you don't even know if the players you are playing with did it? Surely I do share your opinion on those ikillenemiesfasterthanishootbullets cheats, but do free (cheated) credits OUTSIDE of exploits/bugs/glitches, just a pure credit cheat, make you cry and report those cheaters?

You know, in my language there is a very wise "saying", can't tell if there is something similiar in English. It goes something like this (although I do know translating saying exactly like you hear it in given language doesn't work too well):

What eyes can't see, the heart can't regret.

We've got a few sayings like that too:

Mind your own business
Nobody likes a tattle tale

[DravicPL]

xxKenshin Himura wrote...
Mind your own business

Then our languages share this one.

[BioTick]

xxKenshin Himura wrote...
The people doing the credit glitches are just glitching credits, not altering the actual gameplay.

That's cute.

Cute and false.

1. Glitching / hacking credits give cheaters the possibility of purchasing vast amounts of Spectre Packs.
2. Those packs unlock new weapons and gear or dramatically improve the performance of their current gear.
3. That increase in performance allows them to dispatch enemies quite faster and more reliably.
4. That increase in performance on the virtual battlefield alters my gameplay experience.

So in effect, Any player looking to test themselves against the game, fair and square, without cheats or exploits is robbed of his experience by this practice.

I'm not saying I care.

Well, actually I do... just not so much.

I'm just saying you're wrong.

Cheers anyway, folks!

[xxKenshin Himura]

BioTick wrote...

xxKenshin Himura wrote...
The people doing the credit glitches are just glitching credits, not altering the actual gameplay.

That's cute.

Cute and true.

1. Glitching / hacking credits give cheaters the possibility of purchasing vast amounts of Spectre Packs.
2. Those packs unlock new weapons and gear or dramatically improve the performance of their current gear.
3. That increase in performance allows them to dispatch enemies quite faster and more reliably.
4. That increase in performance on the virtual battlefield alters my gameplay experience.

So in effect, Any player looking to test themselves against the game, fair and square, without cheats or exploits is robbed of his experience by this practice.

I'm not saying I care.

Well, actually I do... just not so much.

I'm just saying you're right.

Cheers anyway, folks!

Now that is cute
Cute and False

Not sure if you know this yet, but it isn't really the weapons that allows you to dispatch enemies quickly, but rather biotic explosions/tech combos. You put an entire clip with a weapon and maybe you get 1 bar off. You hit a banshee with a warp then throw, you get 2-3 bars easily. Couple that with an entire team going to town on a banshee with warp+throw combos and they are dispatched quickly. The only time I use my weapon is when I am waiting for warp to regenerate (which usually means 3-4 shots with gun)

One other thing, spectre packs can also be purchased with real money, so would you also have a problem with a billionaire spending a million dollars on spectre packs? The billionaire would have every weapon at X, but you would be okay with it because they gave money to Bioware to have 1337 weapons? It no longer alters your experience and is challenging once again because they paid Bioware for it?

So once again, explain where this begins to make sense that if you hack 1,000,000 credits, that is cheating and it affects the other players, but if you buy $1,000,000 worth of spectre packs then it all of a sudden is not cheating and it is now completely fair to all players and alters the game experience none?

Oh yeah, I'm still waiting.....

[xxKenshin Himura]

PS by altering actual gameplay, I mean like increasing the fire rate on the Falcon back to where it was pre patch and things of that nature. If it is something that you can achieve with enough time spent playing the game or using $ to acquire, then it is not something that alters gameplay.

Quite trying to find loopholes or ways around in a failed attempt to show me up because I'm right, your wrong, and there's nothing you can do about it. Just accept it and move on. You don't have to stop and sit and dream up ways to discredit people who post on these forums.

[everriaal]

Im just wondering.

If cheating in this game is not desired, we should check whats cheating in first place.

either :

* making weapons 1 shot anything
* making some weapons to do increadible amounts of damage or shot to fast
* any kind of cheating that affects directly Match >

or :

* hacking credits ?

This game Is out for like 3-4 weeks ?
and this game is seriously in some aspects damn stupid and dull.

Randomness in PACKS is biggest cheat of them all. BioTICK Your sayin that anyone who hack credits is getting amazing weapons etc, and it affects your gameplay.

The same thing you can say about someone whos lucky and get 10x spectre pack with 10x black widow.

This will also affect your gameplay.

AND seriosly.

If BIOWARE would at any point really been interested in removing any form of cheating, they should start with "Cheat Engine" credits bumping, want 1000000 credits ? sure,np. just play 1 match, scan credit amount, and change it to whatever value You wish.

You can't do that in any other game. -> multiplayer wise.

[Moriea]

Ended up in a match with a cheater just now. He switched it to Gold, even though we all signed up for Silver. I never have done Gold but I was surprised at how easy it was. Every ability and every bullet was one-shotting things. Even an Atlas went down with 2 shots. I musta solo killed 20 Atlas in that round.

[BioTick]

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

PS by altering actual gameplay, I mean like increasing the fire rate on the Falcon back to where it was pre patch and things of that nature. If it is something that you can achieve with enough time spent playing the game or using $ to acquire, then it is not something that alters gameplay.

Quite trying to find loopholes or ways around in a failed attempt to show me up because I'm right, your wrong, and there's nothing you can do about it. Just accept it and move on. You don't have to stop and sit and dream up ways to discredit people who post on these forums.

Right. First things first.

Altering the gameplay experience (not just gameplay), in my books, means altering the outcome of any given match through glitches/exploits/hacks or any and all unfair advantages.

So basically, if several players have top tier weapons due to the credit glitch, they will perform significantly better on the virtual battlefield. They effectively make the game easier for everyone else. I really don't see how you can argue with that.

Sure enough, lots of people rely heavily on Biotic Detonations squads and Tech combo squads. Lots of them. Lots, but not all. And even then, that's entirely beside the point: better firepower still alters the gameplay experience!

As for the rest, well... if some bloke really is crazy enough to spend a million bucks on BW points to unlock everything, well, yes, that one guy would definitely alter my gameplay experience. Possibly alter my general outlook on life too. But that's another topic entirely.

Oh, and I'd demand detailed stats on the content of those Spectre Packs!

[CharNobyl]

xxKenshin Himura wrote...
Now that is cute
Cute and False

Not sure if you know this yet, but it isn't really the weapons that allows you to dispatch enemies quickly, but rather biotic explosions/tech combos. You put an entire clip with a weapon and maybe you get 1 bar off. You hit a banshee with a warp then throw, you get 2-3 bars easily. Couple that with an entire team going to town on a banshee with warp+throw combos and they are dispatched quickly. The only time I use my weapon is when I am waiting for warp to regenerate (which usually means 3-4 shots with gun)

So guns are absolutely pointless? Mate, I challenge you to get through a match, silver or better, without using a weapon. Even bronze would be tough without guns, even if you had a good team.

See, concentrated powers are handy against individual enemies, but what's your warp going to do when you're getting swarmed by smaller enemies? I won't deny that if I need to pick between a mag from my Avenger X and one shot from my Sentinel's Overload when a Banshee's barrier needs taking down, I'll pick the latter every time, but I'm not about to call the former useless.

xxKenshin Himura wrote...
One other thing, spectre packs can also be purchased with real money, so would you also have a problem with a billionaire spending a million dollars on spectre packs? The billionaire would have every weapon at X, but you would be okay with it because they gave money to Bioware to have 1337 weapons? It no longer alters your experience and is challenging once again because they paid Bioware for it?

So once again, explain where this begins to make sense that if you hack 1,000,000 credits, that is cheating and it affects the other players, but if you buy $1,000,000 worth of spectre packs then it all of a sudden is not cheating and it is now completely fair to all players and alters the game experience none?

...wait, your defense is 'A billionaire might by $1,000,000 worth of gear'?

Frankly, I would love to see someone give Bioware a million dollars basically for free, but with that aside, you don't seem to realize how money works. See, if you have money, you don't need to save up money to buy something. Because that's what credits are: they're money that we earned by playing multiplayer. Think of them as Bioware gift certificates.

If somebody has a million dollars lying around, who are you to say that they can't spend it to buy something with a clear exchange rate? They're spending money to do it, and in this case, they're spending a lot of money. In the case of glitches/hacks, there's no real effort by the recipient. They're getting, in essence, money for nothing. You might not like the idea of a billionaire being able to spend a million dollars here or there, but I doubt that you'd somehow like someone who embezzles the money instead.

[Wordlywisewiz]

How is using a credit glitch to get your credits back that got lost in the store glitch?

Honestly and Wtf is up with the med gel I am level 623 and have ****ing over 200 thermal clips 50 ops survival 2 med gel and 1 rocket!

Bioware is cheating us!

It's more fun to get under firebase dagger though! Great sniping spots XD

[Pandaman102]

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

The only thing that Bioware has a problem with people glitching credits instead of buying them is that they do not get any money for people who glitch credits. It does not in any way affect you, the player, because you do not get a percentage of the sales from bioware point purchases.

Where did I say the player benefits from the sales? We both know why Bioware/EA cares, there's no disagreement there, but neither does it support your opinion about cheaters.

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

How can I benefit from somebody who I've never met getting a million credits? I'm still stuck with my 70k that I got from beating gold, soon down to 10k and more crap from the spectre box that I don't need.

And like I said, if they want to cheat in their private games, that's just fine. I don't get affected, you don't get affected, everyone else doesn't get affected.

The problem is the way the game distributes rewards at the end of a match. Everyone gets a fair share, which means if one of the players was cheating, everyone else benefits from that cheat. People who report credit cheaters can only do so because they've directly witnessed the cheat (since there's no way to see someone else's credit balance), and as a result have also benefited from the cheat. In these cases the cheaters are no longer cheating in private and directly affecting other players' experience of the game.

So how is giving other people a million credits a bad thing? Well, by your own admission you know that Bioware/EA cares about "loss" of Bioware Points sales due to credit cheats. You should also know they ban over these offenses. How many times can you accidentally benefit from another person's cheat before Bioware/EA decides you're just a cautious cheater? I certainly don't know, nor do I (or anyone who reports cheaters, I imagine) particularly want to find out the hard way.

So, great, you haven't benefited from the cheat. You have reason not to care. People who are affected have reason to care, so let them report cheaters. You aren't a cheater, so you aren't affected by these reports either. What reason do you have to care?

Modifié par Pandaman102, 27 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[Ridonkulous]

All of this cheating by referring to people buying X amount of spectre packs ruining the game are kinda silly, when someone could spend 500$ and do the exact same thing. So that person is now cheating and ruining "your Virtual Battleground experience"?

Ill put it this way, someone is always gonna be better than you, sometimes its from hard work, sometimes its from cheating, and sometimes its because they have lots of money, either way its gonna happen, and instead of flaming and trolling and raging about it, maybe you should work harder, or cheat, or get some money ready.

Some people can't cope with competition, the result is always unfair. Grow up, deal with it, and play the goddamn game.

[UKillMeLongTime]

i saw some at or over lvl 2000 now thats 100 a day since launch...HOW?
you would need to max 3 and promote 2 a day 7 days a week since the 6th

math does not seem to add up or do they never stop playing lol

[ZweiImpulse]

seriously, i really don't care about the cheaters, i find the games i join with the hacks in them to be extremely hilarious. (I don't know if its a hack or a really bad glitch, but i couldn't pick up ammo and i was an infiltrator with a widow. I sorta got pissed then i found out that i was invincible as compensation. i lulzed when i'm trying to melee ALL THE ENEMIES)

No one gets hurt and everyone benefits. screw bioware and their random boxes in the first place. I still haven't gotten my Asari Adept and its been god knows how many boxes

[leewells]

Sora Kitano wrote...

I am curious as to what sort of cheating that is going on.

The only form of "cheating" that could be of any harm to the players is having Idlers standing around and gaining XP/Credits they did nothing to earn. Otherwise there is nothing that is overly harmful to ME3's MP going on.

Usually I would rage if knowing if someone was using something such as illegal console mods to get an edge, but since there is no PVP, nor will there ever be any if Bioware hasnt made another attempt to make misleading comments, I see no harm in even those being used.

Disclaimer: I do not in any circumstance advocate the use of mods or any other means of cheating in any video game and those that wish to use them should do so knowing they are at risk of having their console banned if caught.

I've noticed the idlers too -- I generally kick them or if the group does not agree, I leave the group.  The other thing that is of note is that if someone leaves like that in game or gets disconnected, they should have a way that someone can join mid-game.  It is a real bummer to play all the way to wave 10 on Gold to have someone drop for whatever issue and loose the finishing exp/credits

[Kickiluxxx]

I just want to ask,
If someone modifies their weapon, does it also affect my weapon?
Because I played one game where my revenant, just my freaking revenant, was auto reloading and it was annoying.

[Averille]

Moriea wrote...

Ended up in a match with a cheater just now. He switched it to Gold, even though we all signed up for Silver. I never have done Gold but I was surprised at how easy it was. Every ability and every bullet was one-shotting things. Even an Atlas went down with 2 shots. I musta solo killed 20 Atlas in that round.

I had this happen to me last week (I did report it to the email address). My gun only showed ammo in the clip; no other ammo, it reloaded instantly, and nearly 1-shot anything. Biotics DID 1-shot anything. I can't count how many Geth Primes I wiped out with Overload chain damage in one go.

[ShinAnubisXIII]

Errm, aren't Phantom's backstab attacks supposed to be 100% deadly? Just played in a random party on 360 where one char was stabbed plenty of times but instantly got up again without a scratch. Or have the Phantoms been weakened?

Modifié par Shin-Anubis, 27 mars 2012 - 01:43 .

[AresCrusader]

DravicPL wrote...

Do you consider getting credits in a dry form (just credits, outside of the match) through cheating as a ban-worth cheat ?
.

Yes. Yes it is. You have to "earn" those credits - either by spending hard cash or put in a lot of playtime. Anything else is cheating. It is that simple.

[xxKenshin Himura]

[quote]CharNobyl wrote...

So guns are absolutely pointless? Mate, I challenge you to get through a match, silver or better, without using a weapon. Even bronze would be tough without guns, even if you had a good team.

See, concentrated powers are handy against individual enemies, but what's your warp going to do when you're getting swarmed by smaller enemies? I won't deny that if I need to pick between a mag from my Avenger X and one shot from my Sentinel's Overload when a Banshee's barrier needs taking down, I'll pick the latter every time, but I'm not about to call the former useless.


So once again, explain where this begins to make sense that if you hack 1,000,000 credits, that is cheating and it affects the other players, but if you buy $1,000,000 worth of spectre packs then it all of a sudden is not cheating and it is now completely fair to all players and alters the game experience none?[/quote]
...wait, your defense is 'A billionaire might by $1,000,000 worth of gear'?

Frankly, I would love to see someone give Bioware a million dollars basically for free, but with that aside, you don't seem to realize how money works. See, if you have money, you don't need to save up money to buy something. Because that's what credits are: they're money that we earned by playing multiplayer. Think of them as Bioware gift certificates.

If somebody has a million dollars lying around, who are you to say that they can't spend it to buy something with a clear exchange rate? They're spending money to do it, and in this case, they're spending a lot of money. In the case of glitches/hacks, there's no real effort by the recipient. They're getting, in essence, money for nothing. You might not like the idea of a billionaire being able to spend a million dollars here or there, but I doubt that you'd somehow like someone who embezzles the money instead.
[/quote]

First off, don't say mate. You are not a sailor on a ship. Second, My whole point is that credit glitching does not affect gameplay, because all it does is allow you to get more credits to unlock more spectre packs without having to spend as much time playing the game, the same way that spending $ allows you to unlock more packs with less time spent playing the game.
IF BUYING WITH $ DOESN"T ALTER THE GAMEPLAY,  THEN BUYING WITH HACKED CREDITS DOESN"T ALTER GAMEPLAY EITHER.
It like that equation you learned in algebra. If A=B and B=C then A=C.
My defense is that if you do not have a problem with a billionaire spending a million dollars then you shouldn't have a problem with a hacker spending a million hacked credits. Both parties are using means, other than playing the game for the required amount of time to achieve the level of credits they are spending, to get spectre packs.

Honestly, how hard of a concept is this to understand?

And yes, biotic combos are more useful than guns (which I mainly use to suppress, and yes on gold with everybody working as a team with biotic combos = faster clearing times) many times I have taken out phantoms and the like when aiming at the atlas with warp+throw combo on gold. The biotic combos cause stagger and aoe damage, coupled with a few people using stasis to stop the weaker dudes. You funnel the enemies so that they group up.

And I am still waiting.....

[RealLittleWashu]

Kickiluxxx wrote...

I just want to ask,
If someone modifies their weapon, does it also affect my weapon?
Because I played one game where my revenant, just my freaking revenant, was auto reloading and it was annoying.

If they are hosting and you have the said weapon type then yes.

Modifié par RealLittleWashu, 27 mars 2012 - 05:25 .

[Razus_5]

Hi,
There is definitly cheating in this game and it has screwed my account last saturday.

I joined a game via the quick match setting. I've set my filter to gold level game, because I'm generally able to do gold with good players.  The game I joined was already started and was cheated. We were killing everything one shot.

Advice to everybody, when you see that a game is cheated, get out as soon as you can.

The problem is: When we finished the extraction, I've received 7,5 million credits.OMG!!  I was really frustrated  because that kinda screwed up my account. I've log back and in, and the 7,5 million credits are still there. I don't know what will happen with my account. I'm sure I can be considered like a cheater by bioware even if I've only joined a cheated game.  I've spend some cash for the collector edition because I like this game. 

I decided not to spend the credits, and to report this cheat at the me3 cheating email adress, and to stop playing meanwhile....I've ask in my email to just get me rid of all these credits. I've reported this issue last saturday and I dont have any response yet. I've already spoke with a EA agent (live EA support) yesterday case#03460454 and he told me the best way to solve this was to write in this forum, so that is what I'm doing right now.  

I hope Bioware/EA will be able to see who was the host, understand my situation, and get me rid of these cheated credits.

Raz

[Limrasson]

sliverofamoon wrote...

How are people cheating? In what way?

Yesterday I was playing random games, and I was put into a gold challange. I play infiltrator built for damage and bought sniper rifle amp and incendary rounds as well. I've played 3 games with that team, and after the third I was pretty sure that there was cheating in play. Couldn't determine who, but that very well geared Krogan soldier was suspicious.

How do they cheat? Well I guess the hack reduces all hit points and armor to one. Because every armor or health bar depleted from one shot. It wasn't that obvious first, because as an infiltrator one-shots are not as uncommom and you still have to deplete shields and barriers...but when you no-scope one-shot a brute...and not only one but every freakin' one...then it's fishy.

After the third game I've left, but this short time alnoe I've gained 200.000 credits and found a very cool gun in one of the spectre packs. This sounds cool at first, but I hate to gain non-legit items and benefits. So I've left.