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[Shadowsword8]

Do you consider getting credits in a dry form (just credits, outside of the match) through cheating as a ban-worth cheat if you don't even know if the players you are playing with did it? Surely I do share your opinion on those ikillenemiesfasterthanishootbullets cheats, but do free (cheated) credits OUTSIDE of exploits/bugs/glitches, just a pure credit cheat, make you cry and report those cheaters?

I just had a game hosted by "Spacekillerr" where even brutes were going down with just one smg bullet. It was not fun. Report sent right away.

The bottom line, as far as I'm concerned is that cheaters are contemptible trash, weak-willed individuals who don't even have the guts to compete with others by using the same rules as everyone, and I don't want to play with them, wether their cheat affect me or not.

Modifié par Shadowsword8, 27 mars 2012 - 08:30 .

[mustardshake57]

I've played a couple of matches where people where taking down tough enimes in one shot...i just assumed they were waaaay better than me lol

[BlackDoomShadow]

I just played a match with "AZNvamp1r3" who was using an instant kill hack, everything he shot died in one hit. This picture should show everything: http://i.imgur.com/aLvVP.jpg

[Miriad]

I have to assume the one-hit-kill stuff is on the PC. Never seen it on the xbox

[LadyAlekto]

Sweet just met my first hacked lobby, nothing drastic, only that my revenant had 999 spare and clip without recoil and nigh instantkilled.... i just dont get why people do that

[azile0]

 I've seen some 'team cheaters' that essentially make the entire squad invincible with a crazy high shield regen. We were all pretty confused until we noticed that one of our members were floating about ten feet off the ground and flickering in and out of sight.

[Twisted Mind]

I am just wandering, why do we still see the obvious cheaters. I am not talking about credits and infinite ammo, hp, shields... because they need to be reported and game logs have to be reviewed. I am talking about people having over 1k n7 level, javelin x, black widow x... at the same time.
I reported a guy with n7 level of 120 that had all the guns on level 10. It doesn't look like his account has been suspended.
I have also played, yesterday, with a guy with n7 level of 2500. And this is the thing that botters me most. It takes 10 seconds to find out those people and there is no need for checking if they cheated or not.

[W__D]

well for what's fair top global leaderboard's n7 is 4100 so that guy with n7 of 2500 might just be an early beta player

[Quixal]

Twisted Mind wrote...
I reported a guy with n7 level of 120 that had all the guns on level 10. It doesn't look like his account has been suspended.

That just sounds like someone who sees little point in promoting. No telling how much they have played.

[Twisted Mind]

I got to play with him and he has almost no skill at all.
Also, how many people have you seen that have black widow x? Not many. On top of that, widow and javelin both X.

[H0LYmateria]

 I've just gotta throw this out there after reading nearly all of this thread...

Almost every person is so incredibly angry at the "cheaters" and immediately condemn them, while not even mentioning or realizing that if it wasn't for a HUGE oversight on the part of Bioware, these individuals would have nothing to cheat in the first place. And don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not condoning "cheating" (if you can even call editing plain text cheating) - I actually don't stand to gain or lose anything from it since I play on 360 - all I'm saying is that Bioware is ultimately responsible for this and you can't really blame people for taking advantage of it. I know that I definitely wouldn't, especially if it affected other peoples' gameplay/experience, but there are a lot of people in the world with a "rules are made to be broken" mentality. But it's not even really that - Bioware made this game so ridiculously easy to "hack," it's a joke. And while I admit that I don't at all see the point of cheating or hacking in a co-op game, you can't be mad at the individuals when it's Bioware who allowed the game to ship like this.

Furthermore, Bioware banning people for taking advantage of something that was EASILY avoidable (and like I said, ultimately Bioware's mistake) instead of just trying to fix the issue as quickly as possible is the complete wrong thing to do IMO. But it's not necessarily a surprise - the more people who farm credits with this "cheat," the less people there are to spend real money on their amazingly awesome randomized loot system. It's all about money, and don't think for a second that it isn't. Especially with EA behind them...

Modifié par H0LYmateria, 28 mars 2012 - 02:17 .

[athera94]

H0LYmateria wrote...

 I've just gotta throw this out there after reading nearly all of this thread...

Almost every person is so incredibly angry at the "cheaters" and immediately condemn them, while not even mentioning or realizing that if it wasn't for a HUGE oversight on the part of Bioware, these individuals would have nothing to cheat in the first place. And don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not condoning "cheating" (if you can even call editing plain text cheating) - I actually don't stand to gain or lose anything from it since I play on 360 - all I'm saying is that Bioware is ultimately responsible for this and you can't really blame people for taking advantage of it. I know that I definitely wouldn't, especially if it affected other peoples' gameplay/experience, but there are a lot of people in the world with a "rules are made to be broken" mentality. But it's not even really that - Bioware made this game so ridiculously easy to "hack," it's a joke. And while I admit that I don't at all see the point of cheating or hacking in a co-op game, you can't be mad at the individuals when it's Bioware who allowed the game to ship like this.

Furthermore, Bioware banning people for taking advantage of something that was EASILY avoidable (and like I said, ultimately Bioware's mistake) instead of just trying to fix the issue as quickly as possible is the complete wrong thing to do IMO. But it's not necessarily a surprise - the more people who farm credits with this "cheat," the less people there are to spend real money on their amazingly awesome randomized loot system. It's all about money, and don't think for a second that it isn't. Especially with EA behind them...

Lol totally agreed.

[Shadowsword8]

... all I'm saying is that Bioware is ultimately responsible for this and you can't really blame people for taking advantage of it.

Of course we can. It's a moral issue. You don't cheat, or you do. The ease of cheating isn't relevant in a moral choice.

Yes, Bioware was very foolish to host MP data in local, and one of their staff certainly deserve emptying his desk over this one. But that doesn't absolve cheaters of the moral choice they made. They cheated because of their ego, or because they want the best gear right now and have zero patience, or whatever.

Personnal ethics, honor and morality are values whose worth are decided by yourself. By cheating, those people are basically stating that thier values have less importance than a widow X or a 5000 N7 rating.

[Razus_5]

H0LYmateria wrote...

 I've just gotta throw this out there after reading nearly all of this thread...

Almost every person is so incredibly angry at the "cheaters" and immediately condemn them, while not even mentioning or realizing that if it wasn't for a HUGE oversight on the part of Bioware, these individuals would have nothing to cheat in the first place. And don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not condoning "cheating" (if you can even call editing plain text cheating) - I actually don't stand to gain or lose anything from it since I play on 360 - all I'm saying is that Bioware is ultimately responsible for this and you can't really blame people for taking advantage of it. I know that I definitely wouldn't, especially if it affected other peoples' gameplay/experience, but there are a lot of people in the world with a "rules are made to be broken" mentality. But it's not even really that - Bioware made this game so ridiculously easy to "hack," it's a joke. And while I admit that I don't at all see the point of cheating or hacking in a co-op game, you can't be mad at the individuals when it's Bioware who allowed the game to ship like this.

Furthermore, Bioware banning people for taking advantage of something that was EASILY avoidable (and like I said, ultimately Bioware's mistake) instead of just trying to fix the issue as quickly as possible is the complete wrong thing to do IMO. But it's not necessarily a surprise - the more people who farm credits with this "cheat," the less people there are to spend real money on their amazingly awesome randomized loot system. It's all about money, and don't think for a second that it isn't. Especially with EA behind them...

I agree. Bioware is also responsible. I think this comes from the fact that the game is on multiplatforms and no special care was made about cheating on the pc release. But we can definitly call it "Cheating". Even if it's easy with this game, this is definitly cheating, even if it's a plain text modification like you say. It alters the game mechanics and it really affects my gameplay experience.  

Raz

[SgtGrumbles]

Twisted Mind wrote...

I got to play with him and he has almost no skill at all.
Also, how many people have you seen that have black widow x? Not many. On top of that, widow and javelin both X.

I'm 149 with BW 5, Jav 6 and Widow X.  I also have GPS X/Graal X/Saber V/Falcon X and various other weapons at IX/X.  Does that make me a hacker?  No reason to cry about people having good RNG and lack of promoting their characters.

[vinlandhammer]

if in co-op theres is cheating now imagine how horrible if it would be in versus mode.....

Modifié par vinlandhammer, 29 mars 2012 - 01:37 .

[AresCrusader]

Shadowsword8 wrote...

... all I'm saying is that Bioware is ultimately responsible for this and you can't really blame people for taking advantage of it.

Of course we can. It's a moral issue. You don't cheat, or you do. The ease of cheating isn't relevant in a moral choice.

x2

[T1l]

Shadowsword8 wrote...

Of course we can. It's a moral issue. You don't cheat, or you do. The ease of cheating isn't relevant in a moral choice.

I disagree. This isn't about right and wrong; this is about human beings finding the path of least resistance to a goal.

People exploit and cheat because they can. They do not set out with the goal of cheating; they set out with the goal of winning. This is the easiest path to their goal. This has nothing to do with morality.

[Razus_5]

T1l wrotes...
I disagree. This isn't about right and wrong; this is about human beings finding the path of least resistance to a goal.

People exploit and cheat because they can. They do not set out with the goal of cheating; they set out with the goal of winning. This is the easiest path to their goal. This has nothing to do with morality.

least resistance to a goal? Whut? The goal of a game is just to have fun..end of story.

Where is the fun if there is no challenge? You must always win? So you hack ? Or worse...you pay for a hack lol?
That reminds me of a zen proverb : The Obstacle Is The Path. A easy game is dull. A challenging game is fun.This is my thinking...so cheating is pointless for me.
Raz

Modifié par Razus_5, 28 mars 2012 - 11:19 .

[Meteo63]

Does cheating only occur on PC? Because I play on Xbox and I was wondering if I need to be on the lookout for any cheaters... What exactly do cheaters do and how do I tell if they are cheating?

[DarthVillnius]

hchadw wrote...

how can you cheat in a game thats versus AI only.....what does it matter really... who gets hurt the bots?

The only "cheat" I've ever seen anyone use seems to be infinite medigels and the way they use them is for griefing.  

I've seen this enough times to find it annoying.   They do kamikazi runs into a brute or turrent, wait for the suckers to run to their aid and get mowed down.   Then they ressurect themselves.   They then keep repeating the cycle with near infinite medigels until all the other players are dead and exhausted their own medigel supplies, and he taunts them by getting killed over and over with his immortality and just keeps rising from the grave.   After the 10th ressurect, I figured this guy had to be cheating and exited, forfeiting the XP and credits, in addition to the medigels I wasted on his trap.

Sometimes the guy sets himself up as host and then if he can get the suckers to hang on, hoping to get some XP and credits out of it at the end, he'll just exit and kill the match.   When the host exist a match, the game resets, wasting all the powerups the players brought into the match, as well as cancelling out the XP and credits earned from the old match.

At best, it's slightly annoying.    At worst, it ruins the game community because it encourages players not to come to the aid of team members.   .

So, yeah, it's more than just the bots getting screwed over by cheaters.

[RiflemanUK]

That just sounds like he had 10 medgel capacity and was a bad player.

[Jackgord]

ME3 multiplayer is great and fun and all that, but i wish it had more custom options like for firefight in Halo: Reach. I don't think i'm the only one who thinks fighting hundreds of husks with infinite power usage would be the best thing ever.

[Enundr]

yes i had some guys i got into a group with (assuming theyre friends of a friend i made in the demo) and they talked about some glitch / exploit on wave 10  involving the host leaving after the credits were attained then resetting the wave. i generally told them to f**k off if they were going to do it at that point. its not that hard to take down gold with the right team.

[Ridonkulous]

Heres the thing people, when you give people the option to play for credits to get the good stuff, most people will try to earn it the most honest way possible, with cheaters or opportunists looking for a quick score. But take this, and add in micro-transactions (just like early f2p MMO's) you have people constantly looking to either farm / sell the items, or hell not pay for them at all. This MP system begs opportunists to open up pandora's box and start hacking away. Why pay money when you can earn the credits, whereas why pay money or waste time in countless gold pub runs when you can just glitch it.

No matter how many times its tested, bugs will be found, and backdoors or (easy file edits) will be left, its part of life. Don't blame BioW for this, as I honestly believe they could have done more testing however one will not find all glitches / bugs.