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[Gunslinger061]

Hmm, sad to think anyone would cheat on any game really, I mean whats the point of buying the game just to cheat? I know someone who on other single player games just uses cheats and finishes the game very quickly, seems like a waste of time and money to me not to mention appreciation of the skill needed to play any game as it was intended to be played. I feel Bioware have done a great job with all the Mass Effect series, a true science fiction story and game instead of just more military maps like BF3, COD etc. Well done Bioware, I like many around the world support you and will continue to. When is the movie going to be made?

[MadeyeFergy]

Ancient Greek playwright Sophocles once declared, "I would prefer even to fail with honor than to win by cheating."

Cheaters are scum, period. If you need to cheat, support cheating or do not think cheating is a problem, then you too are scum, period.
Why,

Cheaters are lying. Lying is wrong, even if you don't think you are hurting anybody.
Cheaters never learn how to play the game correctly yourself and you get into the habit of trying to cheat on other things in life.
Cheaters make the game less enjoyable for others (unless you support Cheating).[/list]
I for one enjoy the Multiplayer part of ME3. Granted it can be improved and many things can be added, but until that happens, I am fine with what we have except for the CHEATERS.
For those that say that the CHEATERS do not affect the game, that it is no big issue or even that it is EA/BioWare’s fault, I disagree. EA/BioWare said they are working on it, but until they fix the issue, I am tempted to start a tread listing (with picture) every Cheater I come across while playing.

This should not be an issue to honest players, just the CHEATERS and those that support them.

[Stonesoundjam]

Swaaggger reported for leeching in gold run.

Scumbag.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

 I personally think this whole discussion is just silly.  It's simple.  

If bioware wanted these cheats/exploits fixed, THEY WOULD BE FIXED!  End of story.

So this begs the question that nobody seems to be asking......WHY HAVEN'T THEY?

To answer that question one must think like a Game Publisher.  As it sits, the multiplayer facet of this latest installment is the only remaining baromoter of the ME fanbase.   The fact that they haven't fixed at least the "credit glitch"  says quite clearly to me that they feel it would alienate too many current users of the product.   In other words, a lot of people are doing it and if it went away so would their enthusiasm for the game.

If a game dev or publisher ever "bans" me in this age of DLC and residual profits then they have chosen to make less money.  That is why they do not ban.  Anyone who thinks Bioware is going to actively seek out and ban people for minor exploits is naive.

It's simple economics people.  Bioware is scared to death of waning interest.  With movie talks and all other types of spinoffs in the works, taking punitive action against paying customers is just plain bad for business.

So why not just fix the glitch???????

Simple 

It's NOT A GLITCH!!!!!

Game devs have been leaving backdoors and easter eggs in games since the invention of programming, mainly as a caviat for the veteran gamers and modders who have the skiil and insight to discover them.  As a former insider this conundrum is simple to me....

At some point some heroic developer at Bioware saw the direction that the franchise was going (Cash-Grab Mode, Dumbed down storyline and easier to digest ending) and did what developers have been doing for decades, they deliberetaly broke it.  We saw it in virtually every installment of CoD (MW2 care package and prestige "glitches").   As a former gaming insider it may shock the general public how often dissention between devs and publishers leads to a broken product.   its' sad really.  The publishers can't point the finger at the devs without making themselves look bad, so the devs score a victory there, even as they lose their baby to big marketing and demographics.

People should be more concerned about the direction of all Gaming.  This debauchle is just one of the many failures and misteps of a gaming industry that is trying to do too much too fast (profit too much too fast), leaving the grand history it was built upon but a pile of rubble.......

The only cheating going on that anyone should be concerned about is the money you were cheated out of when you bought an empty promise

[morph4037]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
If bioware wanted these cheats/exploits fixed, THEY WOULD BE FIXED!  End of story.

So this begs the question that nobody seems to be asking......WHY HAVEN'T THEY?

Simplest solution is generally the right one. They aren't that great at patching/fixing things. We still have cases of games being ruined by 1 invincible mob at the end of matches, people flying through the world, and dummy cobra missles being fired off. You would think at least one of these things would be rather easy to fix, yet they haven't done it yet. 

Idk but buttom line, they came up with a flawed way for us to act as host so they didn't need to have a dedicated server(s) and now they have no way to make it mod proof. Eventually it might get fixed, but all we can do for now is just report the players one at a time. 

As for the credit glitch and them worried about "alienating" players...just lol. You made my morning. XD

Modifié par morph4037, 16 avril 2012 - 09:03 .

[FabricatedWookie]

BloodClaw95 wrote...

hchadw wrote...

how can you cheat in a game thats versus AI only.....what does it matter really... who gets hurt the bots?

-Hacker gets 1,000,000 credits
-Unfair to the other players who don't hack

-Person with a lot of money buys a million credits worth of packs
-Unfair to other players who don't have the same amount of money

What is the difference? in one EA doesn't get paid.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

I think you are letting them off too easy. Most modern games/programs have mechanisms built in for the sole purpose of updating and patching. It is not a matter of whether or not they have the ability, in fact the concept is silly. These are highly trained proffesionals! Of course they can fix it. Easily. Money friend. Money.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

FabricatedWookie says;

-Person with a lot of money buys a million credits worth of packs
-Unfair to other players who don't have the same amount of money

What is the difference? in one EA doesn't get paid.
[/quote]


A VOICE OF REASON IN A STORM DISSENTING OPINIONS!

Modifié par RANDOMvGRENADE, 16 avril 2012 - 09:33 .

[morph4037]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

I think you are letting them off too easy. Most modern games/programs have mechanisms built in for the sole purpose of updating and patching. It is not a matter of whether or not they have the ability, in fact the concept is silly. These are highly trained proffesionals! Of course they can fix it. Easily. Money friend. Money.

I think you're giving them way to much credit. They still have to sort out whats causing the issue, then alter the code accordingly. Not just have a magic machine do it for them. It's just a fact that they are slacking off on changing these issues. 

Honestly though, if it's so easy, why do we still have all the problems and glitches that exist a month later?

Anyways, I do agree with you that they do have the resources, they just (for w/e reason) aren't allocating it to the right departments to get the ball rolling on these fixes. Just don't think I'm trying to let them off or make excuses. 

Edit: To clarify things a bit better.

Modifié par morph4037, 16 avril 2012 - 11:19 .

[DayByNight]

Hey guys, do you mind checking out the global rankings? CrimsonMarch has been overtaken by wilhelm88ss. wilhelm88ss jumped from 9600 to 10651 (About 1000 n7 ranks), while CrimsonMarch moved from 10050 to 10470 (Increment of 420). Both are over one and a half days, because that's the last time I checked.
Is that really possible? For that amount of increase in ranks, I mean.

Edit: I think maybe I'm too paranoid, 'stalking' them on leaderboards and stuff =/ I suppose it's easier to observe their progress(like, if someone jumps from n7 100 to 2000, no one would probably notice... Less chance, anyway...

Modifié par DayByNight, 17 avril 2012 - 01:13 .

[Stonesoundjam]

I hate being on Gold White Geth and will be plugging away then halfway through wave 5 I see some douche outside behind the small wall but he won't be fighting. While me and two other guys are plugging away this butt plug will be crouched behind there wave after wave doing nothing.

Then a hack mission comes and he'll follow us right to the hack zone. Crouch there and remain doing nothing.

It's a damn joke.

[Hiero Glyph]

It is good to know that Bioware is taking action against the players that exploited the Commendation Pack glitch. Hopefully this is the first step before going after the players exploiting the credit glitch.

[DayByNight]

Stonesoundjam wrote...

I hate being on Gold White Geth and will be plugging away then halfway through wave 5 I see some douche outside behind the small wall but he won't be fighting. While me and two other guys are plugging away this butt plug will be crouched behind there wave after wave doing nothing.

Then a hack mission comes and he'll follow us right to the hack zone. Crouch there and remain doing nothing.

It's a damn joke.

Never had that yet, but I think a drop/kick system in-game would be good... Maybe players can vote to kick the guy from the game?

[DayByNight]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

FabricatedWookie says;

-Person with a lot of money buys a million credits worth of packs
-Unfair to other players who don't have the same amount of money

What is the difference? in one EA doesn't get paid.


A VOICE OF REASON IN A STORM DISSENTING OPINIONS!

Yeah I know what you mean. I think Bioware hasn't been up to its old standards (maybe because of EA takeover? *Shrugs*) It's kind of like Blizzard now. Money, money and more money. Although... I think that Bioware will ban those that use credits hack(because they're losing money that way...)

Modifié par DayByNight, 17 avril 2012 - 03:22 .

[Adverb]

DayByNight wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

FabricatedWookie says;

-Person with a lot of money buys a million credits worth of packs
-Unfair to other players who don't have the same amount of money

What is the difference? in one EA doesn't get paid.


A VOICE OF REASON IN A STORM DISSENTING OPINIONS!

Yeah I know what you mean. I think Bioware hasn't been up to its old standards (maybe because of EA takeover? *Shrugs*) It's kind of like Blizzard now. Money, money and more money. Although... I think that Bioware will ban those that use credits hack(because they're losing money that way...)

I'd blame it on EA.  At least a good amount of it.

As for the talks on resources that I'm not bothing to quote, well unless I missed something (and I may have, busy time with school) but they are busy working on upcoming DLC stuff for the game.  Not to mention that I'm sure much of the team once the main part of the game was done was sent off to work on other upcoming projects (seriously, do you expect EVERYONE to stick with a game after it comes out?).  And as stated, they have quite a few things to try to deal with in this game alone as far as bugs, figuring out what is causing each one, figuring out what it takes to fix it, testing said fix to find out it is at least more than likely fixed and that nothing else is broken, etc etc.  It is not as simple as some may expect.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

I don't think anyone is claiming it is simple. This is a premium product being purchased from upper echelon publisher.

You hire a plumber to install a dishwasher. The dishwasher works and gets your dishes clean. however it leaks and is flooding your kitchen. You call the plunber back, and instead of rushing to fix it he simply tells you that he is already working on the next job and it would be "too hard" for him to give you the product you already paid for. Silly concept, right???

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

I feel I need to make a distinction. The credit "glitch" I'm referring to is the one related to host migration. I am not in any way referring to the credit "hack", which denotes a completely different approach. Please if you are responding to my posts use accurate labeling.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

morph4037 wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

I think you are letting them off too easy. Most modern games/programs have mechanisms built in for the sole purpose of updating and patching. It is not a matter of whether or not they have the ability, in fact the concept is silly. These are highly trained proffesionals! Of course they can fix it. Easily. Money friend. Money.

I think you're giving them way to much credit. They still have to sort out whats causing the issue, then alter the code accordingly. Not just have a magic machine do it for them. It's just a fact that they are slacking off on changing these issues. 

Honestly though, if it's so easy, why do we still have all the problems and glitches that exist a month later?

Anyways, I do agree with you that they do have the resources, they just (for w/e reason) aren't allocating it to the right departments to get the ball rolling on these fixes. Just don't think I'm trying to let them off or make excuses. 

Edit: To clarify things a bit better.

And that is the exact amount of apathy and lack of accountability that got us here in the first place.  You lay out the process of debugging a game like it's a monumental task with no hope in sight!!  it's not like they've only got one guy on the clock over there at the shop.  You really think they are just sitting over there at Bioware scratching there heads and waiting for a "magic machine" as you so eloquently put it to do there jobs?  NO!  They have the resources to fix them in a day....they simply CHOOSE to wait.  I don't think the consumer should have to care if it is an easy fix or a hard one.  Just fix what we have already paid for.  No excuses

[Adverb]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

I don't think anyone is claiming it is simple. This is a premium product being purchased from upper echelon publisher.

You hire a plumber to install a dishwasher. The dishwasher works and gets your dishes clean. however it leaks and is flooding your kitchen. You call the plunber back, and instead of rushing to fix it he simply tells you that he is already working on the next job and it would be "too hard" for him to give you the product you already paid for. Silly concept, right???

Umm... actually I hear of stuff happening like that a lot.  What fairy tale perfect world are you living in?

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Adverb wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

I don't think anyone is claiming it is simple. This is a premium product being purchased from upper echelon publisher.

You hire a plumber to install a dishwasher. The dishwasher works and gets your dishes clean. however it leaks and is flooding your kitchen. You call the plunber back, and instead of rushing to fix it he simply tells you that he is already working on the next job and it would be "too hard" for him to give you the product you already paid for. Silly concept, right???

Umm... actually I hear of stuff happening like that a lot.  What fairy tale perfect world are you living in?

The kind where I can sue the plumber who ripped me off, and win.   If only my Xbox could wash my dishes!

Remind me never to hire a plumber in your town!! 

Modifié par RANDOMvGRENADE, 17 avril 2012 - 05:21 .

[UKillMeLongTime]

Stonesoundjam wrote...

I hate being on Gold White Geth and will be plugging away then halfway through wave 5 I see some douche outside behind the small wall but he won't be fighting. While me and two other guys are plugging away this butt plug will be crouched behind there wave after wave doing nothing.

Then a hack mission comes and he'll follow us right to the hack zone. Crouch there and remain doing nothing.

It's a damn joke.

do what we do
if its before wave 3 we die on purpose then ream him in lobby then boot

[Adverb]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Adverb wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

I don't think anyone is claiming it is simple. This is a premium product being purchased from upper echelon publisher.

You hire a plumber to install a dishwasher. The dishwasher works and gets your dishes clean. however it leaks and is flooding your kitchen. You call the plunber back, and instead of rushing to fix it he simply tells you that he is already working on the next job and it would be "too hard" for him to give you the product you already paid for. Silly concept, right???

Umm... actually I hear of stuff happening like that a lot.  What fairy tale perfect world are you living in?

The kind where I can sue the plumber who ripped me off, and win.   If only my Xbox could wash my dishes!

Remind me never to hire a plumber in your town!! 

Remind me then to never work for you.  I'd hate to accidently get a faulty part, install it for you, then later have you expect me to flee immediately from what I'm doing next no matter what it is in fear of being sued.

[morph4037]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
And that is the exact amount of apathy and lack of accountability that got us here in the first place.  You lay out the process of debugging a game like it's a monumental task with no hope in sight!!  it's not like they've only got one guy on the clock over there at the shop.  You really think they are just sitting over there at Bioware scratching there heads and waiting for a "magic machine" as you so eloquently put it to do there jobs?  NO!  They have the resources to fix them in a day....they simply CHOOSE to wait.  I don't think the consumer should have to care if it is an easy fix or a hard one.  Just fix what we have already paid for.  No excuses

You really do love to overdramatize issues. Anywho, no point going around in circles with you. Good day sir/madam. 

Modifié par morph4037, 17 avril 2012 - 06:42 .

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Adverb wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Adverb wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

I don't think anyone is claiming it is simple. This is a premium product being purchased from upper echelon publisher.

You hire a plumber to install a dishwasher. The dishwasher works and gets your dishes clean. however it leaks and is flooding your kitchen. You call the plunber back, and instead of rushing to fix it he simply tells you that he is already working on the next job and it would be "too hard" for him to give you the product you already paid for. Silly concept, right???

Umm... actually I hear of stuff happening like that a lot.  What fairy tale perfect world are you living in?

The kind where I can sue the plumber who ripped me off, and win.   If only my Xbox could wash my dishes!

Remind me never to hire a plumber in your town!! 

Remind me then to never work for you.  I'd hate to accidently get a faulty part, install it for you, then later have you expect me to flee immediately from what I'm doing next no matter what it is in fear of being sued.

If your mechanic puts a faulty part in your car I'd bet you would demand action.  If a roofer left a leak in your roof you would demand action.  If you buy an xbox and it gets the red rings of death right out of the box, you demand action.  Your plumber screws up and it's not his fault?  Plumbers must love you! 

Thats a weak analagy.   First of all you assume the dishwasher is faulty and not the installer.  Thats like saying these bugs/glitches are my xbox's fault, and not the game I put into it,   Apples and Oranges.  

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

morph4037 wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
And that is the exact amount of apathy and lack of accountability that got us here in the first place.  You lay out the process of debugging a game like it's a monumental task with no hope in sight!!  it's not like they've only got one guy on the clock over there at the shop.  You really think they are just sitting over there at Bioware scratching there heads and waiting for a "magic machine" as you so eloquently put it to do there jobs?  NO!  They have the resources to fix them in a day....they simply CHOOSE to wait.  I don't think the consumer should have to care if it is an easy fix or a hard one.  Just fix what we have already paid for.  No excuses

You really do love to overdramatize issues. Anywho, no point going around in circles with you. Good day sir/madam. 

My posts are hardly "overdramatization".   I simply know how I feel and how to express it.  I know to some "lots o words is bad" but to those who like informed opinions a little drama makes for a great catalyst