hchadw wrote...
how can you cheat in a game thats versus AI only.....what does it matter really... who gets hurt the bots?
Sabbatine wrote...
hchadw wrote...
how can you cheat in a game thats versus AI only.....what does it matter really... who gets hurt the bots?
Your statement can only make sense if we assume that people are only playing so that they might receive credits so they can buy more packs.... for some reason.
Who gets hurt? Anyone who plays the game for fun or challenge. If I wanted someone else to play the game for me I wouldn't be playing myself.Sora Kitano wrote...
I am curious as to what sort of cheating that is going on.
The only form of "cheating" that could be of any harm to the players is having Idlers standing around and gaining XP/Credits they did nothing to earn. Otherwise there is nothing that is overly harmful to ME3's MP going on.
Usually I would rage if knowing if someone was using something such as illegal console mods to get an edge, but since there is no PVP, nor will there ever be any if Bioware hasnt made another attempt to make misleading comments, I see no harm in even those being used.
Disclaimer: I do not in any circumstance advocate the use of mods or any other means of cheating in any video game and those that wish to use them should do so knowing they are at risk of having their console banned if caught.
Your statement is contradictory. You say cheating doesn't harm the players because this is a co-op game mode... but does it harm the players in games with a competitive focus? No. Cheating in both types of gameplay can ruin the experience though. As I mentioned above, if we wanted unlimited credits or to have the game played for us we probably wouldn't be logging on to play legitimately.
The only cheater I've ran into so far had modified his/her Avenger to do massive damage. He was mowing down atlas mechs in half a clip on silver difficulty and his reloads were instant. I was amused at the show this person was putting on and for the most part the rest of us on the team just watched him do his thing because there wasn't much we could do because stuff went down so quickly. I remember the person was playing a quarian infiltrator, I noted that because before we started the match I was looking at their setup in the lobby trying to decide which weapon I should bring to compliment the team and wondered why an infiltrator would be bringing an avenger into the match.
I wasn't particularly annoyed with this person because it was kind of funny and interesting to watch, but if I had to deal with that every other match I'd probably quit the multiplayer altogether because there's no point of landing in a match where you're basically put on the sidelines.
Rodia Driftwood wrote...
PS3 users!.
Beware of leecher perrywhite99
I just reported his ass.
UTK_VBall55 wrote...
intentionally broken joke of a scam unlock system.
Zambayoshi wrote...
I play on PS3 and there was this player on last night with a N7 of about 600. I thought he was cheating but after a while I just realised he was a super awesome player! Kind of running into the lower outside section on FB Dagger, in the middle of Cerberus troops on silver, and just mowing them down one by one and laughing at their pathetic attempts to bring him down (Krogan sentinel with Falcon X and Claymore X).
I guess my point is that I haven't seen anyone cheating on PS3...
BloodClaw95 wrote...
-Hacker gets 1,000,000 credits
-Unfair to the other players who don't hack
Thunderbird_74 wrote...
UTK_VBall55 wrote...
intentionally broken joke of a scam unlock system.
An unlock system that you signed up for when you bought the game. If you don't like the way it's set up, don't play. But not liking it doesn't excuse being a cheat.
Modifié par UTK_VBall55, 18 avril 2012 - 01:44 .
UTK_VBall55 wrote...
Thunderbird_74 wrote...
UTK_VBall55 wrote...
intentionally broken joke of a scam unlock system.
An unlock system that you signed up for when you bought the game. If you don't like the way it's set up, don't play. But not liking it doesn't excuse being a cheat.
If somebody does an exploit for vast amounts of credits while teamed up with their friends, who exactly are they cheating? Like I said, I understand anger if you join a public game and somebody is one shotting every mob, but what is wrong with people getting a bunch of credits?
The "it's not fair if they have a Widow X and you don't even though they didn't play way more than you" doesn't work here. Like I said, the game is INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED to make that possible. If you see somebody with all the characters and stupid awesome equipment, for you all you know they just pissed away a huge amount of microsoft points. And it's not like a PvP game where they can use their better unlocks to crush you.
The ONLY DIFFERENCE between somebody who "cheated" for credits, and somebody who bought lots of packs, is one of them got scammed out of a lot of money, and one of them didn't. But as far as how it affects you, they are both identical.
And I didn't "sign up" for anything. I bought the game primarily for singleplayer, with no knowledge of their lame "we broke the unlock system on purpose to encourage people to hand over lots of money in exchange for IMAGINARY CONTENT."
Thunderbird_74 wrote...
UTK_VBall55 wrote...
Thunderbird_74 wrote...
UTK_VBall55 wrote...
intentionally broken joke of a scam unlock system.
An unlock system that you signed up for when you bought the game. If you don't like the way it's set up, don't play. But not liking it doesn't excuse being a cheat.
If somebody does an exploit for vast amounts of credits while teamed up with their friends, who exactly are they cheating? Like I said, I understand anger if you join a public game and somebody is one shotting every mob, but what is wrong with people getting a bunch of credits?
The "it's not fair if they have a Widow X and you don't even though they didn't play way more than you" doesn't work here. Like I said, the game is INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED to make that possible. If you see somebody with all the characters and stupid awesome equipment, for you all you know they just pissed away a huge amount of microsoft points. And it's not like a PvP game where they can use their better unlocks to crush you.
The ONLY DIFFERENCE between somebody who "cheated" for credits, and somebody who bought lots of packs, is one of them got scammed out of a lot of money, and one of them didn't. But as far as how it affects you, they are both identical.
And I didn't "sign up" for anything. I bought the game primarily for singleplayer, with no knowledge of their lame "we broke the unlock system on purpose to encourage people to hand over lots of money in exchange for IMAGINARY CONTENT."
LMAO there's no 'scamming' going on except the people who are abusing the game. The people who are paying cash are doing so willingly. The ones abusing the exploit are getting something they didn't fairly earn.
Try and spin it however you want. You seem to be going for the 'strike back at the evil overlords whose thugs broke into my house at night and twisted my arm, forcing me to buy and play their game even though I hate them" angle, whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. No matter how much you try to justify it, however, a cheat is still a cheat.
Modifié par UTK_VBall55, 18 avril 2012 - 04:03 .
UTK_VBall55 wrote...
Thunderbird_74 wrote...
UTK_VBall55 wrote...
Thunderbird_74 wrote...
UTK_VBall55 wrote...
intentionally broken joke of a scam unlock system.
An unlock system that you signed up for when you bought the game. If you don't like the way it's set up, don't play. But not liking it doesn't excuse being a cheat.
If somebody does an exploit for vast amounts of credits while teamed up with their friends, who exactly are they cheating? Like I said, I understand anger if you join a public game and somebody is one shotting every mob, but what is wrong with people getting a bunch of credits?
The "it's not fair if they have a Widow X and you don't even though they didn't play way more than you" doesn't work here. Like I said, the game is INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED to make that possible. If you see somebody with all the characters and stupid awesome equipment, for you all you know they just pissed away a huge amount of microsoft points. And it's not like a PvP game where they can use their better unlocks to crush you.
The ONLY DIFFERENCE between somebody who "cheated" for credits, and somebody who bought lots of packs, is one of them got scammed out of a lot of money, and one of them didn't. But as far as how it affects you, they are both identical.
And I didn't "sign up" for anything. I bought the game primarily for singleplayer, with no knowledge of their lame "we broke the unlock system on purpose to encourage people to hand over lots of money in exchange for IMAGINARY CONTENT."
LMAO there's no 'scamming' going on except the people who are abusing the game. The people who are paying cash are doing so willingly. The ones abusing the exploit are getting something they didn't fairly earn.
Try and spin it however you want. You seem to be going for the 'strike back at the evil overlords whose thugs broke into my house at night and twisted my arm, forcing me to buy and play their game even though I hate them" angle, whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. No matter how much you try to justify it, however, a cheat is still a cheat.
But do you want to answer to question of "if a group of friends privately do a glitch for lots of credits, who exactly is being cheated?" Who is the victim of the cheating? I guess you could say that you are the victim if you played normally, played for more time, and yet have worse gear than them / not all the characters / whatever. That's nowhere near as big a deal in a co-op game as PvP, but it's still a semi legit complaint. But if that's the case, please explain to me how that situation is (in terms of how it affects you) any different from somebody who just spend a huge amount of microsoft points? The system is INTENTIONALLY designed to make it so people can barely play at all and yet end up with awesome gear. How is it worse for you if they did some sort of glitch for it as opposed to if they payed EA for their gear? Either way they didn't "earn" it in the same sense that you did.
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also people "willingly" pay for scams all the time. That's what makes it a "scam" as opposed to outright theft or robbery. They trick people into paying for what seems like content, but really they are just selling infinite amounts of imaginary nothingness.
Though to be fair, scam isn't quite the right word. People know what a pack is, and still buy it, it's not neccessarily misrepresented. But they do prey upon 3 types of people.
1. People who are so rich, they just don't care at all how much "normal" things cost. The kind of person who would pay 600$ for ME3, because that's still just total chump change to them, regardless of whether that's actually an accurate valuation of the game or not.
2. People who arn't intelligent enough to realize the difference between paying for real content and "infinite amounts of imaginary nothingness" that is "created" simply by changing a variable. Selling somebody multiple spectre packs is like selling multiple copies of an MP3, it doesn't make sense. You pay for "content," there's not really such thing as "an amount of the content." These people don't neccessarily even realize they are being victimized.
3. People who realize the system is BS, but figure without some sort of massive gamer's union, there's nothing to be gained by standing on principle and refusing to buy it, so they just let themselves be victimized.
It's like the EA hockey game, there is a multiplayer mode where everybody controls 1 single player, kind of like real hockey. You can get permanent boosts that give you things like +5 speed, which gives you an advantage over players who don't have +5 speed. You can get it by either buying it with microsoft points, or by doing a bunch of grinding accomplishment type stuff (some of which requires you to play single player, WTF?). Now, to be fair, the amount of grinding to get it without buying is less than it was in NHL 10, and you less often have to waste time in single player to unlock things. But it's still much much much faster and easier to just buy them.
But what are you buying exactly? It's just them changing 1 variable, that's not content, it's math. The worst part is how it abuses game theory to try and make everybody buy it. You start with just a few people who spent real money on it, and now they have an advantage over everybody else. So a few other people get frustrated at being disadvanted, so they buy it as well. But now they are part of the problem. The people who havn't caved in are at a disadvantage more frequently, so a few more of them buy it, etc... etc... etc... Before long, almost everybody payed real money for +5 speed, and the end result is a wash, because everybody is boosted the same. The players litterally get nothing, EA gets a huge amount of money, and all they had to do was change a few variables. It's imaginary content.
Now you could argue that it's possible that your 60 dollars for the actual game was only ever going to cover single player, and that they budget for multiplayer was dependent upon the money they planned to make from selling packs (In fact, I would not be surprised if the sole reason for multiplayer's existence was to give them a chance to sell FIFA ultimate team style coins / packs). But IMO in that case, they should have just raised the price of the game, or chaged for multiplayer as a premium DLC. That's a straight up exchange, money for ACTUAL CONTENT.
And then the game could be designed around ACTUAL FUN. Instead, it's designed around the unlock system from hell, which tries to get people addicted to world of warcraft style grinding crap.
Gino 1234 wrote...
i thought this was a cheating forum not a design fault or error and yes that's what the credit glitch/exploit is so people need to stop complaining about it if someone is actually modding the game then report them but stop being butt hurt about this damn glitch
Lord Irvine wrote...
If you cheat in Multiplayer, no matter what kind of cheat you're using, it just proves you suck too much to play the game regularly. I enjoy playing for what I have, and I enjoy fighting to earn what I want. I put time and effort into playing game after game just to earn credits to get better stuff. If you feel you have to cheat, then you're a sorry excuse for a player.
Yes,i agree with you.I would gladly pay real money for bunch of pixels i wantDayByNight wrote...
Lord Irvine wrote...
If you cheat in Multiplayer, no matter what kind of cheat you're using, it just proves you suck too much to play the game regularly. I enjoy playing for what I have, and I enjoy fighting to earn what I want. I put time and effort into playing game after game just to earn credits to get better stuff. If you feel you have to cheat, then you're a sorry excuse for a player.
True... Although, I would prefer if we could buy the exact weapon, instead of needing to go through useless 'baseball card packs style'. Maybe make it a tad more expensive, sure... But seriously? Random cards? Mehh....
WrathAscending wrote...
It is definitely cheating, and is the reason most players did not get their Raptor packs until a few days ago. Given that he also appeared to be one-shotting through shield gate and I could not report him, I suspect there may be something else going on as well. I suppose it is possible that the Valiant ignores shield gating like the Kishok, but having the Valiant X alone should be worthy of punitive action.
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