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Its a bug/glitch that's been in the MP since the demo & was still there on day one of games launch. Its not a hack or cheating when the bug/glitch was not even fixed after there was conformation that it was there on the demos MP. This is the ME3 devloment teams problem & insted of fixing there bugged up MP. they rather just not do anything to fix the bug/glitch and let players use it as they like. So there's the facts this is the ME3 devloment teams issue & they need to fix it.


So if a house leaves its front door open at night, and the owner knows it, it is o.k. for people to come in and steal what they want? Hey, the owner knows his front door is open, right?

Lets not hold these people that come in and steal accountable because the owner knew the door was open.  It does not matter that it is legally amd morally wrong, right?

Your logic an disgraceful and pathetic.  You are one of those that believe all is fair as long as it does not affect you. And then we wonder why the world is so messed up.


That's a terrible allegory. Firstly, there's no 'stuff', it's just digital information and it's only useful to two people 1) The user, and 2) Leaderboards. Also in this situation if some one takes something, they're not depriving it from someone else. By spamming levels and packs you're not stopping someone else from getting them.

Also at what point does a glitch become a cheat? We've all played games where you've found an exploit to beat the game. Like one particular corner where a boss can't get to you, or abusing the AI by shooting arrows at something outside it's noticeable range. Personally I draw the line at fiddling with the code, but I have a more general ethic to be 'sportsman' like.

So while I wouldn't call this cheating I think it's unsportsman like, and a bit stupid. Particularly with videogames. They're meant to be fun in and of themselves aren't they? You really are cheating yourself because half the fun is chasing the carrot, and if you have to ruin the gameplay to get the carrot, and then the carrot comes to easily, then you've ruined the fun.

If it was competitive co-op I wouldn't even play with strangers, that would ruin it for me. As it's co-op, I ignore it. And it's also makes any leaderboards worthless.

So my two cents, it's not cheating but what a sad thing to do instead of playing the game.



That's the point that I was making. the fault is on Bioware for the bug being in the game in 1st place & the stupid players taking advantage of it.

Modifié par StarKiller66, 22 mai 2012 - 04:29 .


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StarKiller66 wrote...

Its a bug/glitch that's been in the MP since the demo & was still there on day one of games launch. Its not a hack or cheating when the bug/glitch was not even fixed after there was conformation that it was there on the demos MP. This is the ME3 devloment teams problem & insted of fixing there bugged up MP. they rather just not do anything to fix the bug/glitch and let players use it as they like. So there's the facts this is the ME3 devloment teams issue & they need to fix it.


No.

Sorry, but EXPLOITING BUGS being cheating is not something new. Every online game, ever, considers it cheating; Bioware didn't make this crap up on the spot. It has always been cheating. And just to cement the fact: You signed a ToS Agreement, saying that you would not exploit any bugs, because they consider that cheating. You agreed to that. So hey, no matter what you say- you're wrong.

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StarKiller66 wrote...

Its a bug/glitch that's been in the MP since the demo & was still there on day one of games launch. Its not a hack or cheating when the bug/glitch was not even fixed after there was conformation that it was there on the demos MP. This is the ME3 devloment teams problem & insted of fixing there bugged up MP. they rather just not do anything to fix the bug/glitch and let players use it as they like. So there's the facts this is the ME3 devloment teams issue & they need to fix it.


No.

Sorry, but EXPLOITING BUGS being cheating is not something new. Every online game, ever, considers it cheating; Bioware didn't make this crap up on the spot. It has always been cheating. And just to cement the fact: You signed a ToS Agreement, saying that you would not exploit any bugs, because they consider that cheating. You agreed to that. So hey, no matter what you say- you're wrong.


I don't care what player's are doing in MP. It's still Biowares fault for this unfixed bug as long as this bug is in the game there will be player's  exploiting it. So if you all hate this bug that much then start yelling at bioware to fix it. God it's not hard to send Bioware or EA emails or even call them & say hey you games bugged Plz fix this.

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StarKiller66 wrote...

I don't care what player's are doing in MP. It's still Biowares fault for this unfixed bug as long as this bug is in the game there will be player's  exploiting it. So if you all hate this bug that much then start yelling at bioware to fix it. God it's not hard to send Bioware or EA emails or even call them & say hey you games bugged Plz fix this.


Um, it's not hard to just not exploit it either.
It's still cheating. The player is still at fault. They shouldn't be doing it. Period.

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Cheaters will always be cheaters just as cheaters will always hate being called a cheater.

Modifié par MadeyeFergy, 23 mai 2012 - 02:06 .


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I just had 101 grenades in a game, i asked if there was some kind of hack going on, seconds later the host left, the wave restarted with me hosting all of a sudden.

Don't have name though.

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I just had 101 grenades in a game, i asked if there was some kind of hack going on, seconds later the host left, the wave restarted with me hosting all of a sudden.

Don't have name though.


I wonder if these types of hacks are more previlent on the pc? Being on xbox I know the hacks there are much harder to do but not impossible. 

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I have seen 2, possibly 3 hacks in lots of public games sofar, so it's not an epidemic, since i usually don't use any consumables (cannot be arsed) i don't lose anything by leaving.

But yeah, greater potential for abuse on the PC.

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To be honest i dont think thhis cheating or the glitch is a huge deal.. If anything its annoying when you get in a game and they tell you this leave i have had to a few times.. I get it though it is stupid and annoying i just dont understand how these people find it fun or like they have accomplished anything doing it like that but thats me i like the feel of accomplishment when the round ends and i get my XP and Creds.

Yet this cheating/glitching is not as annoying as looking for a game when searching for unknown location and enemy and you keep getting into FBWGG !!

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hchadw all u are doing is trolling just shut the fruck up and play the game forum troll

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yesterday i saw a cheater with full automatic m-300 claymor. firing 3 rounds in a second....

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Last night I was in a match with a guy who was two-shotting geth primes with an M8-Avenger. On Gold. Finished in under 15 minutes.

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Malditor wrote...

Strange that cheating is an issue with co-op play vs computer. Sure it makes it a lot easier to kill the enemies, but in the end it hurts nobody. I don't agree with it, see it as cheap, but I don't think I'd be calling for them to be banned from playing or anything.


How is it at all fun to play a match where the one player cheating is doing everything/getting all the kills/completeing all the objectives? ...I did not buy this game to watch someone else play it!

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How exactly do they cheat?

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InfamousResult wrote...

StarKiller66 wrote...

I don't care what player's are doing in MP. It's still Biowares fault for this unfixed bug as long as this bug is in the game there will be player's  exploiting it. So if you all hate this bug that much then start yelling at bioware to fix it. God it's not hard to send Bioware or EA emails or even call them & say hey you games bugged Plz fix this.


Um, it's not hard to just not exploit it either.
It's still cheating. The player is still at fault. They shouldn't be doing it. Period.

well how the hell you get on in life then and video games. Everything you do is about expoiting some 1 in ife or on gaming. If you didn't you would never achieve anything in life. Companies are exploiting us out of money every day with most of the rubbish they bring out. You really do act ike a brown nose Infamous. how about taking your head out for air for a minute and open your eye's if tht possibe. Not to mention being a hypocrite.

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McKnight23 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Strange that cheating is an issue with co-op play vs computer. Sure it makes it a lot easier to kill the enemies, but in the end it hurts nobody. I don't agree with it, see it as cheap, but I don't think I'd be calling for them to be banned from playing or anything.


How is it at all fun to play a match where the one player cheating is doing everything/getting all the kills/completeing all the objectives? ...I did not buy this game to watch someone else play it!


Well that not because there cheating it's just you being bad at the game or useing wrong weapons. Only platform that can cause any problems as far as I know to your gameplay is pc. It's also the only platform that there focused on when talking about this subject pretty much. Not some stupid credit glitch which has no impact on any 1 but the person doing it.

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well how the hell you get on in life then and video games. Everything you do is about expoiting some 1 in ife or on gaming. If you didn't you would never achieve anything in life. Companies are exploiting us out of money every day with most of the rubbish they bring out. You really do act ike a brown nose Infamous. how about taking your head out for air for a minute and open your eye's if tht possibe. Not to mention being a hypocrite.


Let me get this right.  You are saying that if you can exploit something or someone, it is o.k. to do?  You state since other people/companies are doing it, not only is it o.k. but why are people not doing it?

If this is what you are saying, and it is from what  I'm reading, you are a pathetic and miserable little person. Just because some do, and obviously you are also, that does not mean the overwhelming majority do.  Most people do not need to lower themselves to that level.  Usually that is left for people with no morals or skills.

So which one are you. no skills or no morals.  Wait, maybe it's both.

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MadeyeFergy wrote...

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well how the hell you get on in life then and video games. Everything you do is about expoiting some 1 in ife or on gaming. If you didn't you would never achieve anything in life. Companies are exploiting us out of money every day with most of the rubbish they bring out. You really do act ike a brown nose Infamous. how about taking your head out for air for a minute and open your eye's if tht possibe. Not to mention being a hypocrite.


Let me get this right.  You are saying that if you can exploit something or someone, it is o.k. to do?  You state since other people/companies are doing it, not only is it o.k. but why are people not doing it?

If this is what you are saying, and it is from what  I'm reading, you are a pathetic and miserable little person. Just because some do, and obviously you are also, that does not mean the overwhelming majority do.  Most people do not need to lower themselves to that level.  Usually that is left for people with no morals or skills.

So which one are you. no skills or no morals.  Wait, maybe it's both.

the only people who are pathetic are peope who are bothered in other people business. also majority have more then likely done it wether they admiting it or not is a other thing. Also the reason why there doing nothing to people because if they did they woud have to ban most players.

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the only people who are pathetic are peope who are bothered in other people business. also majority have more then likely done it wether they admiting it or not is a other thing. Also the reason why there doing nothing to people because if they did they woud have to ban most players.


The only people that are bothered by people getting into their business are the ones that are doing something legally or morally wrong.  Those are the pathetic people.  By the way, you never answered the question;  which one are you, no skills or no morals?

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also majority have more then likely done it wether they admiting it or not is a other thing.


How is that "more than likely"? Because you're a cheater and you want to believe everybody is as low in the barrel as you? You have nothing to back that up- you're just pulling words out of your backside and hoping nobody calls you on it.

I'm sorry that you feel the need to make excuses for yourself to make yourself feel better. Do us all a favor and just go play Ghost Recon or some other shoddy game, since we see you complain about this one and it's staff so much.

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the only people who are pathetic are peope who are bothered in other people business. also majority have more then likely done it wether they admiting it or not is a other thing. Also the reason why there doing nothing to people because if they did they woud have to ban most players.


The more I read the more I, "what..."

You're welcome to voice your opinion on things as long as you're not insulting anyone in the process. This is a violation of BSN rules.

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InfamousResult wrote...

Blest HR wrote...

also majority have more then likely done it wether they admiting it or not is a other thing.


How is that "more than likely"? Because you're a cheater and you want to believe everybody is as low in the barrel as you? You have nothing to back that up- you're just pulling words out of your backside and hoping nobody calls you on it.

I'm sorry that you feel the need to make excuses for yourself to make yourself feel better. Do us all a favor and just go play Ghost Recon or some other shoddy game, since we see you complain about this one and it's staff so much.


Agree. Asuming that MAJORITY live like this is a big mistake. Games are way more interesting without cheating. Why pay money and then destroy your own game? Never understand this attitude...

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Artemillion wrote...


Agree. Asuming that MAJORITY live like this is a big mistake. Games are way more interesting without cheating. Why pay money and then destroy your own game? Never understand this attitude...


Same reason people steal, rob and rape; they are Evil.  The Evil will always defend the Evil as the Just will always defend the Just.  Cheating is Evil, period.  If you do not think so, then you need help. 

Bottom line....I will report anyone and everyone that I believe is cheating and put their name and picture on this forum.  The only people that find this offensive are the cheaters and those that support them.

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MadeyeFergy wrote...

Blest HR wrote...

the only people who are pathetic are peope who are bothered in other people business. also majority have more then likely done it wether they admiting it or not is a other thing. Also the reason why there doing nothing to people because if they did they woud have to ban most players.


The only people that are bothered by people getting into their business are the ones that are doing something legally or morally wrong.  Those are the pathetic people.  By the way, you never answered the question;  which one are you, no skills or no morals?


Sorry but blast has a point, most people have been victimized or have par taken in cheating in one way or another. as most people prefer to have their upload feedback on since they like to get their com packs. people will join games with cheaters in them, and there are 3 cases where the ban hammer should not be swung in such occasions, and only the server upkeepers are to blame for it, sadly they cant say wether or not they par took in it, or were random joiners:

#1. people who just put on all their über equipment to join a gold game, and find themselves in a cheater game, i can symphatize with these people as i would rather not lose my equipment either, instead finish the game then leave the lobby. which would still leave a record of you being in a cheat game. Its easy to see someone who began their gold career recently, happened to me by the way when i joined my first gold game, was a cheater game and i did not feel like going to search for a suitable lobby that takes me in for the umpteenth time.

I would call this; punishing people for joining the wrong random game = lose your stuff chump. Blame = service upkeeper/person who initially developed the system. Not to blame = the person who joined. Does the ban hammer people care? most likely not as they only look at the raw data.

#2. people who join a game in progress and they are not informed the game is a cheat game, And they play a support role alone. I know i have done this, i do nothing but strip shields and barriers or stun people and let my team mates kill everything. ending up with 0 kills but massive assist exp. People who play pure support will have a hard time realizing if its a cheat game, unless its the kind where they do multiple objective waves.

I would call this, getting punished for not being able to see the game data, and see if people have upload feed back on. As cheaters would have a hard time running those games with the feedback upload on, you could just avoid games ran by people who have it off. Does the people with ban hammer care? most likely not... Surprise.

#3. People who join a random legit lobby, but the host changes mid game or after the mission and doesnt bother telling people hes gonna run some hax. :bandit: And if your unlucky, and dont realize this in time, or the hax effect only the host, or if the hax only effect after the mission was complete ( i had one of these early on sadly, kinda hard to notice, if only thing it affects is the total credits AFTER the mission) thankfully the idiot who was the host ran it on bronze. 66K credits on bronze... umm yeah. totally legit. lol xD

In this case also. no way to distinquish between the people who did it intentionally and who did not. Ban hammer gods care? i gues not...

oh and there already is an example of this very phenomena in the BF3 community, when people found the exp glitch, EA ended up making a decision not to even try and ban them, excluding the most blatantly obvious cases. because everyone was doing it. they would have ended up banning half or more of the community, and gues what that does to the business... Hell there were servers dedicated for this **** for a while, and all the EA did, was just warn the people playing there, most of them never got any **** fall on them for doing it. a couple of my friends played on a server like that for a day or 2 and gues what, not even a warning.

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And if I fall into one of these, screen shot and report after game, very simple.

Oh, and I post it here also. I love calling losers out.