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[inblack]

After destroying the reaper on Rannoch and Legion starts uploading something, what happens if i let him? will the quarians still be my friends and give me their fleets?

[Olueq]

inblack wrote...

After destroying the reaper on Rannoch and Legion starts uploading something, what happens if i let him? will the quarians still be my friends and give me their fleets?

Legion dies no matter what.

[dielveio]

No. The quarians will die, and Tali will commit suicide.

[Sir MOI]

Nope... You will have to choose between the Quarians and the Geths. Only one specie will survive. Unless you have Tali AND Legion and you did both loyalty missions on ME2. In this case there is a way to obtain peace...

[inblack]

lol.... thats just stupid looks like a geth dreadnought could kill a reaper or two by itself but who would not help tali....

[Khar-Goth]

inblack wrote...

After destroying the reaper on Rannoch and Legion starts uploading something, what happens if i let him? will the quarians still be my friends and give me their fleets?

Legion always dies, no way to save him. Tali will live or die depending on how it plays out.

To get both the Quarian & Geth fleets you need 5 pts from the following:

Rannoch: Admiral Koris completed (+1 pt)
Choose to save Admiral Koris during that mission (+1 pt)
Saved Tali from being exile during her loyalty mission in ME2 (+2 pts)
Destroyed the heretic Geth base at the end of Legion's loyalty mission in ME2 (+2 pts)
Broker peace between Tali and Legion (ME2, after both their loyalties, convo to keep them both loyal) (+1 pt)

If you have 5 pts worth, and I think 3 or 4 bars filled on the Reputation meter in ME3 then you can persuade the Quarian fleet to stand down during the conversation and get both the Geth and the Quarian fleet war assets.

Modifié par Khar-Goth, 14 mars 2012 - 12:34 .

[Sir MOI]

inblack wrote...

lol.... thats just stupid looks like a geth dreadnought could kill a reaper or two by itself but who would not help tali....

I wouldn't I hate all the quarians for how they treat the geths.

[All-a-Mort]

Khar-Goth wrote...
Legion always dies, no way to save him. Tali will live or die depending on how it plays out.

To get both the Quarian & Geth fleets you need 5 pts from the following:

Rannoch: Admiral Koris completed (+1 pt)
Choose to save Admiral Koris during that mission (+1 pt)
Saved Tali from being exile during her loyalty mission in ME2 (+2 pts)
Destroyed the heretic Geth base at the end of Legion's loyalty mission in ME2 (+2 pts)
Broker peace between Tali and Legion (ME2, after both their loyalties, convo to keep them both loyal) (+1 pt)

If you have 5 pts worth, and I think 3 or 4 bars filled on the Reputation meter in ME3 then you can persuade the Quarian fleet to stand down during the conversation and get both the Geth and the Quarian fleet war assets.

Hmmm prima guide states that the point scoring above only counts if you had already chosen to kill the heretics in ME2 not save them.
Admittedly that is a stupid idea, that in order to get the best paragon outcome (so not killing either side) you needed to have a renegade choice in ME2, but...then you end up having Mordin or Wrex and Thane die thanks to paragon choices.

So you can confirm that provided I save Koris and complete that mission (total 2 points) , won Tali's tribunal (2 points), and kept both Tali and Legion loyal in ME2 (1pt) I can get both fleets?

[Rovay]

All-a-Mort wrote...

Hmmm prima guide states that the point scoring above only counts if you had already chosen to kill the heretics in ME2 not save them.
Admittedly that is a stupid idea, that in order to get the best paragon outcome (so not killing either side) you needed to have a renegade choice in ME2, but...then you end up having Mordin or Wrex and Thane die thanks to paragon choices.

So you can confirm that provided I save Koris and complete that mission (total 2 points) , won Tali's tribunal (2 points), and kept both Tali and Legion loyal in ME2 (1pt) I can get both fleets?

Yeah it should. But I'm not really sure if just doing Admiral Koris gives you a point though (you still get a point for rescuing him). Just to be on the safe side, also do the Geth Fighter Squadron mission before, because back in the spoiler group it was the other mission that gave you points.

[jjEagleeye]

Well, the two groups found peace in my game and I saved the heretic Gethin ME2.Sad to see Legion go thou

[VEKTR]

jjEagleeye wrote...

Well, the two groups found peace in my game and I saved the heretic Gethin ME2.Sad to see Legion go thou

You must have done something else.. I'm playing ME2 atm again and killing the Heritic so this way I can save them all. YAY

[All-a-Mort]

Hope that isn't the case...otherwise, talk about Law of Unintended Consequences...

[SidNitzerglobin]

All-a-Mort wrote...

Khar-Goth wrote...
Legion always dies, no way to save him. Tali will live or die depending on how it plays out.

To get both the Quarian & Geth fleets you need 5 pts from the following:

Rannoch: Admiral Koris completed (+1 pt)
Choose to save Admiral Koris during that mission (+1 pt)
Saved Tali from being exile during her loyalty mission in ME2 (+2 pts)
Destroyed the heretic Geth base at the end of Legion's loyalty mission in ME2 (+2 pts)
Broker peace between Tali and Legion (ME2, after both their loyalties, convo to keep them both loyal) (+1 pt)

If you have 5 pts worth, and I think 3 or 4 bars filled on the Reputation meter in ME3 then you can persuade the Quarian fleet to stand down during the conversation and get both the Geth and the Quarian fleet war assets.

Hmmm prima guide states that the point scoring above only counts if you had already chosen to kill the heretics in ME2 not save them.
Admittedly that is a stupid idea, that in order to get the best paragon outcome (so not killing either side) you needed to have a renegade choice in ME2, but...then you end up having Mordin or Wrex and Thane die thanks to paragon choices.

So you can confirm that provided I save Koris and complete that mission (total 2 points) , won Tali's tribunal (2 points), and kept both Tali and Legion loyal in ME2 (1pt) I can get both fleets?

Yup, Prima guide was wrong on the heretic question (or at least weirdly worded).  I rewrote the heretics, defended Tali successfully, and tried to foster peace between Tali and Legion in ME2 and saved Koris in ME3 and was able to pass the paragon persuade to broker peace and get both the quarian and geth assets.

There's a couple other instances where they were flat out wrong as well (the one I'm remembering specifically is where they say there's no way to warn the turians and still get the volus bomber squadrons in the volus diplomat side quest).

Modifié par SidNitzerglobin, 14 mars 2012 - 05:20 .

[All-a-Mort]

SidNitzerglobin wrote...

All-a-Mort wrote...

Khar-Goth wrote...
Legion always dies, no way to save him. Tali will live or die depending on how it plays out.

To get both the Quarian & Geth fleets you need 5 pts from the following:

Rannoch: Admiral Koris completed (+1 pt)
Choose to save Admiral Koris during that mission (+1 pt)
Saved Tali from being exile during her loyalty mission in ME2 (+2 pts)
Destroyed the heretic Geth base at the end of Legion's loyalty mission in ME2 (+2 pts)
Broker peace between Tali and Legion (ME2, after both their loyalties, convo to keep them both loyal) (+1 pt)

If you have 5 pts worth, and I think 3 or 4 bars filled on the Reputation meter in ME3 then you can persuade the Quarian fleet to stand down during the conversation and get both the Geth and the Quarian fleet war assets.

Hmmm prima guide states that the point scoring above only counts if you had already chosen to kill the heretics in ME2 not save them.
Admittedly that is a stupid idea, that in order to get the best paragon outcome (so not killing either side) you needed to have a renegade choice in ME2, but...then you end up having Mordin or Wrex and Thane die thanks to paragon choices.

So you can confirm that provided I save Koris and complete that mission (total 2 points) , won Tali's tribunal (2 points), and kept both Tali and Legion loyal in ME2 (1pt) I can get both fleets?

Yup, Prima guide was wrong on the heretic question (or at least weirdly worded).  I rewrote the heretics, defended Tali successfully, and tried to foster peace between Tali and Legion in ME2 and saved Koris in ME3 and was able to pass the paragon persuade to broker peace and get both the quarian and geth assets.

There's a couple other instances where they were flat out wrong as well (the one I'm remembering specifically is where they say there's no way to warn the turians and still get the volus bomber squadrons in the volus diplomat side quest).

Oh...er I was gonna do that volus thing tonight. Guess I'll have to wing it

[Big I]

You don't need to kill the heretics to get peace. I know because I just finsihed a playthrough where I rewrote the heretics and made peace.

[Zen_Mojo]

I had loyalty for both Tali and Legion, saved them both, kept the peace between them, saved Koris, completed all of the Rannoch quests, but I rewrote the geths so I can't get the paragon/renegade choice.

Something else is definitely going on with these rules, so take them with a grain of salt. Some people seem to be able to get the choice, but I and a few other people can't.

[SidNitzerglobin]

Zen_Mojo wrote...

I had loyalty for both Tali and Legion, saved them both, kept the peace between them, saved Koris, completed all of the Rannoch quests, but I rewrote the geths so I can't get the paragon/renegade choice.

Something else is definitely going on with these rules, so take them with a grain of salt. Some people seem to be able to get the choice, but I and a few other people can't.

Have you got 3 bars worth of paragon/renegade?  Seems to be the unlock threshold for the dialog options that let you make peace.

I had also taken the peace route in all my conversations w/ the quarians in ME3.  Not sure if I was so strongly on the peace end of the spectrum in ME2, as Koris just rubbed me completely wrong at that point.  Not that Xen was much better, but Gerel (sp?) actually seemed pretty reasonable.  Pretty good job of writing IMO.

Modifié par SidNitzerglobin, 14 mars 2012 - 06:15 .

[Zen_Mojo]

According to everyone's math, I have everything needed to get the dialogue options. I have almost four full bars of renegade alone and full reputation (others who supposedly have gotten this have barely had four bars of reputation overall).

I've done a half dozen possible permutations of the missions/sidequests/supports/dialogue options for Rannoch and have not been able to get the paragon/renegade option.

Once again, I reloaded the ME2 save that I imported to ME3 and according to my archived messages I both saved Tali from being exiled and refrained from sharing her father's experiments (if you don't share her father's experiments, you get an email from Admiral Xen saying she found them herself).

So, I have max rep, Tali and Legion's loyalty, I completed all of the Rannoch missions before attacking the Reaper base (in alternate orders), I have supported every combination of Gerrel, Raan, Tali, and Xen, I have supported Legion and argued with him, and the paragon/renegade options have still never appeared.

That leads me to believe that some of our copies are broken or that the guides are just plain wrong or that some of the people here are lying or some combination of this.

Another possibility I'm throwing out is that only certain copies of the game can get this subplot. For instance, maybe if you downloaded the From Ashes DLC you get a bonus paragon/renegade dialogue opportunity. Or if you bought the Collector's Edition. Or if you have the DVD version instead of the Origin download version.

I know it sounds farfetched, but it's the only way it makes sense for two people to do the exact same thing and get two completely different results.  There's something that just doesn't plain add up.

Modifié par Zen_Mojo, 14 mars 2012 - 10:42 .

[Conduit0]

I can also confirm that it is possible to broker peace between the Geth and Quarians even if you rewrote the heretic Geth. As for why Zen_Mojo can't, I honestly don't know, best guess is that your game is bugged.

Just a thought, Zen, did you do all of Tali's stuff in ME1?

[Gold Dragon]

From what I remember of the Strat Guide, I think you also have to do the Geth Fighter Squadrons mission in order to broker true peace, as well as the rest.

[nzag1971]

Can someone please tell us how much the Geth fleet is worth?

Also, Tali died in my playthrough of ME2. Can peace between the two still be attained?

[MadCat221]

Khar-Goth wrote...

inblack wrote...

After destroying the reaper on Rannoch and Legion starts uploading something, what happens if i let him? will the quarians still be my friends and give me their fleets?

Legion always dies, no way to save him. Tali will live or die depending on how it plays out.

To get both the Quarian & Geth fleets you need 5 pts from the following:

Rannoch: Admiral Koris completed (+1 pt)
Choose to save Admiral Koris during that mission (+1 pt)
Saved Tali from being exile during her loyalty mission in ME2 (+2 pts)
Destroyed the heretic Geth base at the end of Legion's loyalty mission in ME2 (+2 pts)
Broker peace between Tali and Legion (ME2, after both their loyalties, convo to keep them both loyal) (+1 pt)

If you have 5 pts worth, and I think 3 or 4 bars filled on the Reputation meter in ME3 then you can persuade the Quarian fleet to stand down during the conversation and get both the Geth and the Quarian fleet war assets.

Your rep bar must be in the top most segment.

Additionally, Tali must be alive, Legion must be alive, you must have completed Legion's ME2 loyalty mission (either end result, just completed), and you must do the Geth Fighter Hub side mission on Rannoch (you'll see why when you do).

Rewriting the heretics makes the geth's war assset contribution greater and the quarians' lessened.  Not sure which gives more; probably rewrite has the higher net amount, since the cost offset is losing out on 2 Peace Points.

Saving Koris also prevents a detrimental modifier being put on the Civilian Fleet, and you also get Admiral Koris in particular as a war asset.  You need a rep check for that too though.

Modifié par MadCat221, 15 mars 2012 - 09:09 .

[MadCat221]

Zen_Mojo wrote...

According to everyone's math, I have everything needed to get the dialogue options. I have almost four full bars of renegade alone and full reputation (others who supposedly have gotten this have barely had four bars of reputation overall).

I've done a half dozen possible permutations of the missions/sidequests/supports/dialogue options for Rannoch and have not been able to get the paragon/renegade option.

Once again, I reloaded the ME2 save that I imported to ME3 and according to my archived messages I both saved Tali from being exiled and refrained from sharing her father's experiments (if you don't share her father's experiments, you get an email from Admiral Xen saying she found them herself).

So, I have max rep, Tali and Legion's loyalty, I completed all of the Rannoch missions before attacking the Reaper base (in alternate orders), I have supported every combination of Gerrel, Raan, Tali, and Xen, I have supported Legion and argued with him, and the paragon/renegade options have still never appeared.

That leads me to believe that some of our copies are broken or that the guides are just plain wrong or that some of the people here are lying or some combination of this.

Another possibility I'm throwing out is that only certain copies of the game can get this subplot. For instance, maybe if you downloaded the From Ashes DLC you get a bonus paragon/renegade dialogue opportunity. Or if you bought the Collector's Edition. Or if you have the DVD version instead of the Origin download version.

I know it sounds farfetched, but it's the only way it makes sense for two people to do the exact same thing and get two completely different results.  There's something that just doesn't plain add up.

You must leave ME2 with at least three of the Peace Points.  If you exonerated Tali, that's +2.  If you destroyed the Heretics, that's +2.  If you defused the Tali/Legion Loyalty Conflict in ME2 right off the bat without having to make amends to either, that's +1.  You must have at least 3 peace points. And of course have Tali and Legion survive and in your group, and have done Legion's loyalty mission.  Beyond that, it's a matter of passing a rep check.  You can get the required rep before that point.

To get the last two points, you'll need to do the Rescue Admiral Koris mission... and of course also rescue Admiral Koris (which is also a rep check).

[Rip The Reaper]

It seems people are regreting they saved those geth in ME2. I knew detroying them was the best option. I could never see why re-writing them would be a good idea, Didn't make any since to me. I Like the option was renagade (bottom). But if you think about it, Just becasue it's the renagade choice doesn't mean it's the wrong one. I'm a paragon and I think ultimatly a paragon would chose to detroy them even if technically it's a "renagade" choice. People shouldn't be upset about it imo, it's not always cut and dry...

edit: i do understand being upset that that ONE decision could prevent you from making peace though.

Modifié par Rip The Reaper, 16 mars 2012 - 01:06 .

[parthian]

Can you achieve peace if you used the renegade option on that admiral? I punched him..