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[MinatheBrat]

Huh.

Hope you're right MustacheManatee!

[Zhor2395]

I was going to offer my thoughts on the OP, but i prefer to not get into it since the indoctrinationists will wrench every inconsistancy and slip in the game to prove their point and shout down anyone who fails to agree. Just because you walk through a keeper does not mean its a sign of indoctrination; after all i fell through the floor in the elevator at sanctuary, hardly means thats a sign of indoctrination now does it? I offer to agree to disagree

[MustacheManatee]

@CheekyWeazel

This is good point, and I fully admit that it is possible the Normandy escape is a projection of Shepards mind, not controlled by Harbinger at all. Either way, for this theory to be true, the vision wouldn't end until Shepard wakes up at the end. This gives weight to the assumption that the Normandy is not stranded on some planet, but still on earth with Shepard.

[MustacheManatee]

@Zhor2395
I already stated that the Keeper thing was just an observation, and not imperical evidence of anything. Just being thorough with my observations. If you have any arguments against this theory beyond "you guys are just wrong", I would welcome the discussion.

[elferin91]

so wait, when i bought the game didn't i pay for the whole thing, with an actuall ending? Oo

[Hudathan]

Because it pretty much says so after the credits?

[Raezaiel]

 
-Shepard finds himself in an area of the citadel with some stange Alliance markings(1M1) furthering the theory that this world is in his head. Those are the gun emplacements on tuchanka, or at least i remember them as such.

[BlaiidDrwg]

Found a part of your explanation on another thread and followed it here. Thanks for sharing your deatiled thoughts. I hope your are right, because that would be EPIC. Think about it... every ending gets kind of spoiled and when you sprint through a game to get there it is just over.. a plan to make you wait for the real end (hopefully free DLC else I take back the credit) would be mindblowing. Damn you mustacheman, I find myself hoping.. I hate that.

[Shortstuff820]

I've known about the Indoctrination Theory for days now and while it does make sense, it still lacks closure, choice and reflections of your decisions. According to some people who read the leaked script, this is a different ending from what they've read, likely pieced together at the last minute. Either they are implementing the true ending in a later patch or they came up with this one because of the leaked script.

In either case, they should just add the old ending because from what I've heard, it makes far more sense and gives the closure we want.

[MustacheManatee]

No problem BlaiidDrwg!

[Deventh]

Well said sir, well said. I hope for free DLC.

[aMytallica]

After going back and forward and rethinking the ending over and over again.. I think you are onto something. Why else would the Reapers actually be giving Shepard a choice? Because no one has gotten close to defeating them before. Shepard is actually dangeroulsy close to succeeding, and for the first time, they are afraid. So why not present Shepard with three choices, and make Shepards own goal from the very beginning appear the less appealing?

Makes you think, this must be similar to what the Illusive Man and Saren went through. Which is why they so firmly believed that their reasoning was the only way. But Shepard has always been stronger willed.

And I now agree, that the images of the crew must be Shepards own thoughts. His/her own hopes for their safety. It's also a very bright, hopefuly image, Shepard waking up in rubble is in direct contrast to that. So it goes from a dream/Shepards thoughts, to waking up to reality. I like this theory.

[MustacheManatee]

@elferin91
Totally agree with you.
If the ending DLC is not free, it would show a serious lack of taste from EA/Bioware
It must be free for this marketing ploy to be effective
For good measure, they should give us a bunch of free MP content as well. Just as an apology.

[The Almighty Ali]

Here's to hoping you're correct.
Though I'm betting on it.

[MustacheManatee]

@aMytallica
Exactly!

[Shaun72]

I'm sorry, but how is this any different than any of the theories that have already been presented? I am wondering if the OP has read any of the other threads (the well thought-out ones, anyway). I am not saying I disagree with any of it, just that it has all been said before and the OP is presenting it as if nobody has considered this before.....

[v0rt3x22]

I always agreed on this!

Further Reading:

http://social.biowar...5/index/9897896

http://social.biowar...5/index/9880796

http://social.biowar...5/index/9727423

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9861052

http://social.biowar...5/index/9863664

http://social.biowar...5/index/9896187

http://social.biowar...index/9883268/6

http://social.biowar.../index/9891674/

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 14 mars 2012 - 10:50 .

[calverish]

I like the way you presented all this, and just helps to give us what we all need in this trying time.

Hope.

[follis2]

I'm surprised everyone is saying the kid is Harbinger. My immediate thought was that the kid is an incarnation of the mysterious power that the Prothean VI on Thessia talks about. It says that the Reapers are not the creators of the cycle. They merely fulfill a role within a grander scheme laid by someone/something else.

I do agree though that the whole sequence after running for the beam is not happening on a physical level. As seen in Project Overlord and when entering the consensus, Shepard now certainly has access to other levels of reality than the pure physical one. The ending also reminded me of what happens to Bowman in the Space Odyssey series where he enters another non-physical level of existence.

[MustacheManatee]

Admittedly, I did research and post before realizing it was a common theory.
I have since read many of them, and found them all to be interesting. Each one seems to add a new interesting dimension. If you don't care for the way my theory is presented, I apologize. As I said, I had only read a few forums on the topic(which I mention at the beginning) and utilized a lot of those ideas.

[v0rt3x22]

MustacheManatee wrote...

Admittedly, I did research and post before realizing it was a common theory.
I have since read many of them, and found them all to be interesting. Each one seems to add a new interesting dimension. If you don't care for the way my theory is presented, I apologize. As I said, I had only read a few forums on the topic(which I mention at the beginning) and utilized a lot of those ideas.

Just a note - I know its a lot of work but it would be nice if you could clean up your OP with paragraphs.

[Forst1999]

While the Indoctrination theory makes inconsistencies plot points and many details fit it surprisingly well, i see one major flaw: Isn't it so that with a very low EMS you might be locked in to a choice? Destroy, if you destroyed the base, i think.
So if you were weak, the Reapers don't try do goat you into full indoctrination/giving them your DNA and just accept their destruction? Maybe then the "destroy" ending is just a lie, but that doesn't explain the lack of the other options, that would still be more beneficial to the Reapers.
And if you already destroyed the Geth, do they create something else to steer you away from their undesired choice?
Sorry, so far this pretty much kills the Indoctrination theory for me.

[MattFini]

The more I see on this, and the more the social media team at BioWare make vague tweets, the more I think this was all part of the plan ... and the final mission is coming.

[Dave3172]

Forst1999 wrote...

While the Indoctrination theory makes inconsistencies plot points and many details fit it surprisingly well, i see one major flaw: Isn't it so that with a very low EMS you might be locked in to a choice? Destroy, if you destroyed the base, i think.
So if you were weak, the Reapers don't try do goat you into full indoctrination/giving them your DNA and just accept their destruction? Maybe then the "destroy" ending is just a lie, but that doesn't explain the lack of the other options, that would still be more beneficial to the Reapers.
And if you already destroyed the Geth, do they create something else to steer you away from their undesired choice?
Sorry, so far this pretty much kills the Indoctrination theory for me.

This is my problem as well. If you brought so little military to the party, why would the Catalyst give you the one choice it doesn't want you to make? It's the biggest problem with the theory.

[eternalshiva]