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[v0rt3x22]

MattFini wrote...

The more I see on this, and the more the social media team at BioWare make vague tweets, the more I think this was all part of the plan ... and the final mission is coming.

What I've been trying to tell the community for weeks and got utterly bashed for

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

This would be like "GOG goes out of business" publicity stunt taken to an unfathomable level.

[MustacheManatee]

@v0rtx22
Thanks for the note.
New at this.

[MustacheManatee]

@Liedral
That is a FANTASTIC catch! Good eye!

[Dark Wyn]

@Liedral
Damn, unbelieveable catch.
You just threw another grenade out there to blow the lid off this whole thing.

Hold the line.

Modifié par Dark Wyn, 14 mars 2012 - 11:04 .

[Sc2mashimaro]

Like I always say about indoctrination "this is not the end" theories: If you're right, I'm writing a long letter to Bioware about their genius and apologizing for ever doubting them while sobbing manly tears.

I am convinced, regardless, that indoctrination is involved in the final sequence. The only question is, is the ending still on the way? Or is this still "the end"?

Modifié par Sc2mashimaro, 14 mars 2012 - 11:07 .

[Blackgate456]

MattFini wrote...

The more I see on this, and the more the social media team at BioWare make vague tweets, the more I think this was all part of the plan ... and the final mission is coming.

Could you show some of this vague tweets? I have not seen any. I fear the ending is what we have now..... :-( But I really really would like your idea a lot more.

[aMytallica]

Forst1999 wrote...

While the Indoctrination theory makes inconsistencies plot points and many details fit it surprisingly well, i see one major flaw: Isn't it so that with a very low EMS you might be locked in to a choice? Destroy, if you destroyed the base, i think.
So if you were weak, the Reapers don't try do goat you into full indoctrination/giving them your DNA and just accept their destruction? Maybe then the "destroy" ending is just a lie, but that doesn't explain the lack of the other options, that would still be more beneficial to the Reapers.
And if you already destroyed the Geth, do they create something else to steer you away from their undesired choice?
Sorry, so far this pretty much kills the Indoctrination theory for me.

Nah they didn't. I couldnt save the Geth during the Rannoch mission, but the same option was presented to be more appealing regardless. What is interesting, is in the guide, the info on the ending is pretty vague. It would appear the choices are the same, but what is considered the "best" outcome available to you is limited depending on your level of readiness and whether or not the Collector Base was destroyed in ME2 or not. Interestingly, the endings that are available to you with the highest level of readiness, the best outcomes according to the guide, do not state what the fate of the galaxy actually is..

For eg. if the collector base is destroyed:
At a 2,650 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is saved.
At a 2,800 Readiness Rating, you are able to create synergy between organics and synthetics, saving Earth and the galaxy.
At a 4,000 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers and “saved” Anderson, Shepard lives.
At a 5,000 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers and did not “save” Anderson, Shepard lives.

It only mentions the outcome that Shepard lives. Not the outcome of the galaxy. This might be nothing of course, but when I read this after completing my first playthrough without it, it really confused me. There has to be more to it..

Modifié par aMytallica, 14 mars 2012 - 11:11 .

[Chuloos]

MustacheManatee wrote...

I really feel the ending is what we want it to be. Bioware loves leaving certain story elements to our imagination, and really, I am totally fine with that. As long as you make the correct choice at the end, it's actually a very appropriate ending.
No need to "believe" in DLC, as it's bound to incorporate the feelings of the fans. Casey Hudson has already said that they have great multiplayer, and single player DLC coming, and that fan input WOULD be taken into account. I wouldn't hold out hope for new or alternate endings, but perhaps more hints and clues as to what the ending could mean.
Everyone at Bioware seems really happy with the buzz being created by the ending. If the fans really wanted it changed, a resounding "MEH" would have been more effective. All this news and publicity is keeping ME3 in the news. This is exactly what EA and Bioware want.
Use your imagination, and your logic, and accept the ending for what it is. An artistic choice.

I don't want a damn artistic choice.. I want a GOOD ending. Not one that leaves so many questions.  I paid $86 for this game.  The game play was .. to put it mildly FANTASTIC in places.. the Legion Segments, the Mordin segments.. among a few.. were brilliant..  I really have to hand it to the devs and writers on those.  I am in my (later years), and there were so many places in this game that had me very teared up.

That said.. get rid of the BS mind **** endings.  An ending to a Masterpiece story.. and ME was.. should be glorious, and satisfying.. and the endings presented certainly were not.  If this wasn't the true endings.. then I damn sure want my money back.

Bioware is playing with fire on this one.  Many of us also play Dragon Age and several other games by them.  I will vote with my wallet next time.. and next time will not include a Bioware game.

[v0rt3x22]

Liedral wrote...

Wow - you know, first I thought the structure in the right screenshot - is just that 'a structure' (that is probably symmetrical - and must be on the other side as well) - but its not!

Good catch!

[Skypezee]

Liedral's screencaps along with the OP is really bringing the hallucination/indoctrination theory to full circle... especially when you consider the tweets by Jessica Merizan.

There's something about those endings... something more to them.... And BioWare isn't going to tell us until more people have finished the game.

I can't help but wonder if we've all been punk'd. If that's the case.... then what BioWare did (and is currently working on) is both horrible (for making us flip out) as well as being brilliant.

[Johnny Zhou]

Your explanation is quite clear, thanks.I am looking forward to the DLC if this is true.

[MustacheManatee]

@Blackgate456

The BioWare-bating continues, it seems. Mass Effect series producer Mike Gamble posted that he’s had a hard day – which led to disgruntled fans telling him he’d ‘put this on himself’. Something to do with Mass Effect 3.

“Hardest. Day. Ever,” Gamble tweeted. “Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning…you’d, we’ll – hold onto your copy of [Mass Effect 3] forever.”

[Skypezee]

Blackgate456 wrote...

MattFini wrote...

The more I see on this, and the more the social media team at BioWare make vague tweets, the more I think this was all part of the plan ... and the final mission is coming.

Could you show some of this vague tweets? I have not seen any. I fear the ending is what we have now..... :-( But I really really would like your idea a lot more.

Some of them are featured in this australian article:

http://www.thevine.c...le20120314.aspx

In other words, this:

User 2 - then I want to SEE that he was lying. I want to get up and finish the fight with Commander Shepard. Then retire.

Merizan - augh. want. to. discuss! Staying spoiler free for now

means, to me, that there is something going on with the endings.

[supermaan]

If this pans out to be true, it would indeed be epic as many have said. Bioware would have succeeded in a phenomenal thing....total immersion, of you as the player, into the ME universe. You are no longer just the player of a video game or a driver of a pixelated avatar. You, on a personal and real level through your character and your emotions that have been forged over a 3 part epic saga, have been indoctrinated.

[MustacheManatee]

@Chuloos
Totally understand. This why I started the whole thread, so that I could present evidence that this is in fact NOT the ending. In the quote of mine you reference, I was simply stating that I personally felt satisfied when I blew the Reapers up in the end. It was only after looking into it further that I realized there was likely to be more on the horizon.

[Walrusninja]

I think you may be onto something there Liedral !

[Nefelius]

Not again...

[CommanderWilliams]

Liedral's find CANNOT be simple coincidence. It's all true.

[aMytallica]

supermaan wrote...

If this pans out to be true, it would indeed be epic as many have said. Bioware would have succeeded in a phenomenal thing....total immersion, of you as the player, into the ME universe. You are no longer just the player of a video game or a driver of a pixelated avatar. You, on a personal and real level through your character and your emotions that have been forged over a 3 part epic saga, have been indoctrinated.

Agreed! And it would no doubt have a greater impact then if all was revealed up front... Not to mention, as someone mentioned, every Mass Effect fan completing the game at the same time, would be pretty amazing!

[hand-o_death547]

Thank you for posting this theory up here. I have been reading this and all the other ones for a while and it is giving me some hope that this crap ending we saw here wasn't the true ending at all.

[vx SmOkEy xv]

Control - TIM's Ending
Synthesis - Sarens Ending
Destroy - Anderson's Ending.

Where was Shepards?

[supermaan]

aMytallica wrote...

supermaan wrote...

If this pans out to be true, it would indeed be epic as many have said. Bioware would have succeeded in a phenomenal thing....total immersion, of you as the player, into the ME universe. You are no longer just the player of a video game or a driver of a pixelated avatar. You, on a personal and real level through your character and your emotions that have been forged over a 3 part epic saga, have been indoctrinated.

Agreed! And it would no doubt have a greater impact then if all was revealed up front... Not to mention, as someone mentioned, every Mass Effect fan completing the game at the same time, would be pretty amazing!

Absolutely, with the reveal being delayed it not only adds to the "indoctrination simulation"....it allows you to believe for a time that what you have seen is true, much like that which your character is experiencing at the time.

[MustacheManatee]

Shepard and Anderson share the same goals, so Shepard's ending is represented by Anderson, since Anderson represented Shepard's humanity in the previous conversation with TIM. If they showed Shepard blowing it up, it would have been a tad obvious what you were supposed to do.

[Uezurii]

Liedral wrote...

This is great evidence towards the theory of it not being real. I never noticed the Mako, but I myself found the two beams to be conveniently the same looking.