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[Splinter Cell 108]

So this interview all comes down to Hudson dodging questions. How nice. I love that BioWare refuses to address this mess, but I don't understand how it is logical in any way. By doing this they are only screwing themselves even more, this will leave a mark on BioWare for a long time, they should at least try to fix it in some way that doesn't include dodging our concerns.

[irishScott3]

Lol. This thread is garnering about 100 views a minute. The facebook group is getting something like 1000 new members every 36 hours.

Hold the line indeed. Either Bioware will fix things and make money, or they're going to lose 10s of thousands of paying customers. Considering most of us payed $60 or more, they're looking at, very conservatively, 1.2 million dollars of pissed off customers and counting. From a business standpoint alone, they have to start taking notice soon.

[Unit-Alpha]

Pericles Redstorm wrote...

New Generation wrote...

 I think this Image pretty much sums up how screwed we were from the begining

I'll take ending C for 5000 Trebek

Bravo.

[charmedmeat]

detroitmechworks wrote...

30,000 people saying "THE ENDING SUCKS, CHANGE IT" is not a debate about meaning...

It's more akin to a bunch of your friends saying "Get off the ****ing tracks! There's a TRAIN coming."

Plugging your ears and going "Lalalalala" will not magically deflect the train.

No matter what color your space magic is.

this

[dheer]

The answer to the question and the endings have more in common than the endings had with the game itself.

[MinatheBrat]

Knight Terror wrote...

MinatheBrat wrote...

wow.
He sounds like a politician. Use lots of words and completely avoid answering the question.

You don't get ahead in the business world unless you know how to kiss a lot of rear-ends, choose your words carefully, know when to keep your mouth shut, and make sure you're number 1 priority is the financial bottom line.

I really have to shake my head at all the people on this forum that truly believe BioWare cares about you.

LOL I understand what you're saying...and I agree. However I fail to see how this type of reaction is good for the bottom line. In fact I'd go so far to say that this type of negative backlash is very bad for business.

[Soundsystem]

Pericles Redstorm wrote...

New Generation wrote...

 I think this Image pretty much sums up how screwed we were from the begining

I'll take ending C for 5000 Trebek

Well.. you don't say you got ending A, B or C. 

You just tell everyone what colour your ending was!

[jbkr123]

TheMadBlimper wrote...

Henceforth, no matter what happens, screwing up a video game ending so badly that it directly affects its sale price within one week of release shall be known as "Pulling a Bioware."

bahahha

[Faunwea]

Depressing. Not sure if I feel like emotionally investing myself in any more of these company's games to be honest, but I guess time will tell.

[RadiantLegend]

Thank you and Good Bye Bioware.

[ColloquialAnachron]

I think what he's doing is damage control to the best of his abilities before the Asia launch. Do I like it? No. But the fact that he has to spin it, that he is in damage control mode already, that is a good sign, hold the line!

[Strange Aeons]

You weren't seriously expecting anything from them but corporate spin, were you?

[malkuth74]

Told you the endings were real all this bull about sleepy Shepard and indoctunation is all bull crap.

The endings the way they wrote them they wanted this reaction.

Pfft

[Sawtooth357]

A friend and I had food poisoning from a restaurant recently. That was unforgettable, too. And we sat around afterwards discussing what we went through. We were polarized in our opinions, whether the vomit or the fever were the worst part. But we both agreed that it ruined what would have been some really good food.

Hold the line.

Modifié par Sawtooth357, 14 mars 2012 - 02:06 .

[MarchWaltz]

I used to not like Canadians, then I discovered bioware. Then I loved Canadians. Casey, your making me dislike Canadians once again.

Dont make me look for you. Naked.

NAKED.

[eoinnx03]

Such a shame.

Holding a line...

[noobcannon]

some people have just beaten the game and like me were furious about the endings. the more i read though the more i'm convinced bioware is pulling a fast one on us and possibly releasing the rest of the game in the next few weeks after more people have had a chance to beat it.

indoctrination ftw

beast919's post from the indoctrination thread

Beast919 wrote...

So, gonna put together a list of the things about the ending that make me think there's something more to it (i.e. shepard is most likely unconcious to some degree after being hit by the harbinger blast).

1) Harbinger just up and leaves (despite having reaper forces on the ground still that would communicate to him Shepard is alive).

2) Your crew are not only obviously dead/grievously injured on the ground, they're lying *CLOSER* to the beam than you are. I don't know about you, but I have a feeling if they were mortally wounded by the blast they'd be behind me (since thats where they were standing to begin with), or Tali (my LI) would have died trying to wake me (which would most likely have worked anyways since you seem to wake up relatively shortly after the blast - Harbinger is *just* leaving when you get up)

3) Your gun is magical - it never runs out of bullets and is miraculously unscathed despite your entire armor interface/all life as you know it being destroyed around you. In addition, *its not your gun*. I had the lightning blaster, not some pea shooter. Where the hell did it come from?

Another Point I'm too lazy to re-do the format for) Upon waking, and walking past the corspes (or in some playthroughs' cases, the lack of corspes) of your squadmates.....you do nothing. You don't check for vitals, call their name, call for your non-squad mates (who I guess are just sitting on the sidelines this entire time doing nothing?). Incredibly non Shepard like. In addition, you not once ask the crazy god kid about your squad, or your love interest, at all. You just gloss right over it.

4) Once you arrive on the "Citadel", you magically start talking to Anderson, and he claims to have "followed you in" - despite you listening to the radio broadcasts and all you heard was calls for retreat (Which is weird for 2 reasons in of itself. 1 - you just GOT HIT BY A SPACE LASER - how is your radio fine? 2 - assuming your radio working makes sense, why don't you answer? You must get this done - why not call for help?) - Anderson would not have gone silently and would have belayed that order if he (an old man) was able to make it inside (unscathed and unarmed no less). Also you can look behind you, the old man isn't there. In addition, Anderson never mentions your Squad...ever. No condolences, no "we need to get this job done Shepard...I'm sorry..." - Nothing.

5) The keepers do absolutely nothing when you walk past them - while this in of itself isn't surprising, you've obviously tripped an alarm as the Keepers are supposed servants of the reapers. Where are the ground forces inside the citadel? Surely the reapers wouldn't throw resources to stop you from getting inside but have *NOTHING* inside to stop you once you got there. Another note on the Keepers - if they're servants to the reapers (or at least susceptible as you would imagine anyone the reapers had dealt with before - why do they not bar your entrance themselves? Why do the walls move in your favor?

Another bonus point! ) The bodies lying in the hall make no sense. The only time we've seen such lazy/inefficient use of human bodies by the Reapers was on the collector ship, while they were still experimenting. Otherwise they're incredibly efficient. Who stacked those bodies there anyways? Where the hell did they go?

6) Anderson makes his "entrance" after yours.....yet beats you to the platform....despite there not being any road except the one you're walking on, and you obviously don't see him until he's all the way at the console. And while on that line of thought - since when, ever, was anything ever that easy. Literally walk into a beam of light, walk forward down a hallway, walk forward down a ramp, and walk forward to a console that is exactly what you're looking for? Ooooooooooooook.

7) You brought your magical gun with you, but when TIM shows up, he's unarmed? And pulls a gun ... out of nowhere from behind Anderson? And when you convince him to shoot himself (or do the deed yourself with your magical pistol) 1 bullet is all it takes? We've covered this ground with Saren, a bullet to the brain doesn't stop a reaper-infested body.

8) Since when was indoctrination instant? Anderson hasn't been exposed to the reapers....ever - as far as we know - yet he's instantly mind controlled by a puppet of the reapers? Uh....ok. Shepard is a bit of a stretch anyways (I understand we don't really know what cerberus did to him so there's always that wild card) - one thing about Indoctrination as far as I've seen it in the game is its either ON, or OFF. This trembly-hand-shooting Anderson business is new, if Shepard were really indoctrinated, he'd do it without hesitation, and if he wasn't, he wouldn't do it at all.

9) Something relatively minor, but still odd that I noticed from the beginning (I need to check if this holds true with the portion on the ground, or only after reaching the Citadel) - Shepard's facial scars come back. Obviously this could just be an interpretation of how horrifically injured he is, but my face has been damned paragon-pretty for 2 games now, I noticed those scars re-appearing and thought it was weird.

10) Post-murder of TIM, when you get the call from Hackett that somethings wrong on your end, you collapse on the floor from your wounds. Now, if we know anything about Shepard at this point in the story, the only chance thats happening is if s/he has nothing in the tank, at all. He'd crawl by the might of his pinky if he still had a concious thought in his brain. Yet when he gets teleported (into space without a helmet), he stands up again 10 seconds later all fine and dandy. Doubtful. To further emphasize this point, when told by mystery God Kid he just needs to shoot the thing to blow up all reapers, he gets a burst of adrenaline (seemingly), starts walking faster, holds the gun with both hands, etc. - the sort of grim determination we'd expect from Shepard. Not that pansy ass fainting act he pulls when Hackett calls for help.

Bonus Point I'm too lazy to re-number in order to fit in) Once Shepard makes it on to the Citadel...which, agian, the Reapers *HAVE* to know is going on.....he opens the freaking arms. And what happens? Nothing. No daring rescue of the fleet you've gathered to sacrifice their lives to stop the Reapers from blowing the Citadel to bits, nothing. The Citadel just floats in space completely unopposed while the fate of the Reapers hangs in the balance. Yeah.

11) Shepard doesn't once question the kid's appearance. Not a "why do you present yourself like this?" not a "who the hell are you?!", he just nods and smiles, full on trust for no reason. All it takes is the kid saying he's the catalyst (without explaining what that even means) and Shep is A-ok. Yeah.

12) Just gonna leave this slot dedicated to the complete nonsense that is all 3 choices. Not even gonna bother with those. Space magic.

Another minor point) Mainly just a departure from the norm, but I was extremely off-put when I couldn't even re-start the convo with the kid to clarify what the hell he just told me. He basically just rails off the 3 options then leaves you to it, no questions, no repeats, just one chance to grasp the concepts you're about to base all galatic civilization off of. Very non-mass effect.

13) Joker...flying away from the battle...near a relay? Even if we assume, for whatever reason, that Joker abandoned Earth (which in my opinion, would never, ever happen, especially considering in all the endings YOU ARE STOPPING THE THREAT ANYWAYS so there is no reason to run), the relay is not right next to Earth - it would take some effort/planning to have reached the relay by the time Shepard decides to blow up galatic civilization on the whim of a child god. There's simply no way that set of circumstances is happening, and this is compounded by the fact that the two DEAD squadmates somehow poofed up to join him on his mystery escapade? There's a long list of things Tali/Garrus might do upon waking up from the death slumber - fleeing is not one of them.

14) The "living" Shepard bonus scene makes zero sense whatsoever if he was on the Citadel. Not only that, but I'm relatively sure the armor is more intact in the breathing scene than what he's in in the "ending" sequence - but thats minor and hard to distinguish.

Well....thats a long list. Only goes to show though, if this IS NOT a dream sequence.........all I can say is WTF. You can completely ignore the weird, ugly, gutted feeling of knowing nothing you chose prior to God Kid's rant meant a goddamned thing and the ending is still horrifically bad. It has to be a dream sequence of some sort. There's simply no other logical way.

[Sons Of Liberty]

Rylith wrote...

Anyone else currently feel like the Clark Griswold rant brewing right now from christmas vacation?

This one?  He has many in that movie. 

Modifié par Sons Of Liberty, 14 mars 2012 - 02:08 .

[elm]

ME3 just took an arrow to the knee!!!!

[Blood Wraith5]

@The Angry One
Bioware's reaction so far: that pic sums it up

[charmedmeat]

Knight Terror wrote...

MinatheBrat wrote...

wow.
He sounds like a politician. Use lots of words and completely avoid answering the question.

You don't get ahead in the business world unless you know how to kiss a lot of rear-ends, choose your words carefully, know when to keep your mouth shut, and make sure you're number 1 priority is the financial bottom line.

I really have to shake my head at all the people on this forum that truly believe BioWare cares about you.

And the longer they keep their mouths shut, the more money they will hemorage.

[MjK]

Casey Hudson is now known as The biggest Bosh'tet of the universe.

Modifié par MjK, 14 mars 2012 - 02:06 .

[eoinnx03]

TheMadBlimper wrote...

Henceforth, no matter what happens, screwing up a video game ending so badly that it directly affects its sale price within one week of release shall be known as "Pulling a Bioware."

I like that.

[malkuth74]

Never buying a 60 dollar game again. Literally me3 was my first 60 dollar game. It's my last one too.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

eoinnx03 wrote...

Fjordgnu wrote...

I'm not encouraged by this, but look at how cautious and inconclusive it is. It sounds a lot like the sort of thing you might say when you want people to think their opinions don't matter, that they're not having any effect, while in reality you're at least feeling it.

We can't stop now, just because of some ambiguous statement in an interview.

What's more, if you thought you could change BioWare's mind before, how is it any different now?

Now is definitely the time to hold the line.

Yeah actually screw it. I'm going to try harder to make people more aware of this, and try get people to support the chairty more.
Hes playing mind games, trying to make us feel like hes unaware of this all.

I beg you people

HOLD.THE.LINE.

Yeah the fact that he is making a statement and trying be dismissive of us shows that they are worried and he is trying to control the dammage. the only dammage that you go to the trouble to control is damage that can hurt you.  the fact is he now answers to EA and if they see people canceling Star War accounts,games seliing cheaper,and less DLC being sold then for ME2 they will not be happy.  He is trying to stop us by treating us like a joke,that means he is scared of what we could do to his company.  he is trying to make us lose heart because he knows we can win this if we just stick together.