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thomash81 wrote...

I think we just have to accept the truth folks. Mass Effect as we know it is over. But don't be sad, soon we will get to play; The Sims: The Mass Effect expansion.

Take control of Liara, Tali, Joker and Garrus and establish a new life for them on Pandora! With the first game you will recieve 1000 Sims points, so be sure to check out the new medbay collection! Maybe buy a bottle of alchol for Shakwas, she sure likes her liquer!


LMAO! Well done, sir.

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Graphf wrote...



excellent video, exactly what I was thinking.



That guy is pretty good.

"To that I say BULL****!!", "How can I tell him to go **** OFF?!!?"

PERFECT!!!

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My reaction to his statement

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This is like the Happy Days saying "yeah we wrote that jumping the shark thing in there to really get people talking."

They're talking about how freaking bad it was, and they coined the term "jumped the shark."

Unless the indoctrination/dream theories about everything post harbinger blast are true, then they literally think the endings as given are definitive and acceptable.

If that is the case I will NEVER buy another Bioware product ever again. This just wreaks of pretentious self congratulatory BS.

It's not that we don't "get" your ending. It's that it SUCKS.

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What are your thoughts on the reaction to the game’s endings?
I didn’t want the game to be forgettable, and even right down to the
sort of polarizing reaction that the ends have had with people–debating
what the endings mean and what’s going to happen next, and what
situation are the characters left in. That to me is part of what’s
exciting about this story. There has always been a little bit of mystery
there and a little bit of interpretation, and it’s a story that people
can talk about after the fact.


I find this offensive. I mean, really, really offensive. I've not been this annoyed since actually seeing the ending.

Modifié par raeting, 14 mars 2012 - 02:48 .


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Mr Massakka wrote...

My reaction to his statement


I laughed pretty damn hard!
Brilliant

#532
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Mr Massakka wrote...

My reaction to his statement


Exactly. 

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QuarianHIV wrote...

Who's still in the mood for the 3rd playthrough?


HAH!! I  haven't had the heart to get past mars on a second.

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This is it people we have our voice

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QuarianHIV wrote...

Someone PLEASE find that quote he and other developers made about how ME3 will have closure.


Not sure if it's the quote you're looking for, but this is from March 5th, the DAY BEFORE the release:

http://www.pocket-li...-3-casey-hudson

For those who don't feel like reading it, I'll just pull some of my favorite lines from Casey:

“All the biggest
things in the series are going to start here. You are going to be the
one who decides what happens when everything comes to an end,” Hudson
says.

"With the third one,
however, the biggest challenge is making sure people are satisfied. So
what that means is making sure that we do resolve the big questions.”

“With Mass Effect 3 we needed a more definitive conclusion because it is the end of Shepherd’s story."

Now, Casey, at what point did I REALLY decide how things come to an end? What part of that was supposed to make me feel "satisfied", and what "big questions" were resolved? But, most importantly, let's define "definitive conclusion", shall we?

Definitive, as defined by Mirriam-Webster, is "to provide a final solution or end to a situation", or "fully differentiated or developed".

Conclusion, as defined by Mirriam-Webster, is "the last part of something: as result or outcome".

So, I assumed a definitive conclusion would be a fully developed outcome of the situation. Leaving the meaning of the ending up to the speculation of the fan-base is, IMO, NOT a fully developed outcome in any way, shape, or form.

In regards to the quote from the posted interview, there is a major difference between creating something that causes debate and speculation from the fans in a positive regard, and creating debate and speculation that causes tens-of-thousands of your fans to swear they will never buy another of your products. One is good for business, the other is not so good for business. Guess which one you gave us.

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Hold The Line People

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Unit-Alpha wrote...

He thinks he's some gaming big-shot. He's not. Ken Levine, Todd Howard, Tim Schafer, and John Carmack are.


Yeah he will not be a big shot for long if he keep treating his fans like this.  his projects will stop making the kind of money they did in the past and EA will bring in someone else to run the company that they paid so much money for.

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DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

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Actually, plenty of people are debating what they think happened. There are a ton of theories all over this site and other less hostile sites. 



The reason people are coming up with their own theories is that it's the only way to make sense of what we got. It's not because the ending was compelling, it's because it makes no sense on it's own.




And the reason it made no sesne is because Bioware got lazy.  All they did was take the ending of 2001 and mash it together with the ending to BSG and call it a day.  It makes no sense because those two endings have nothing to do with eachother and they have even less to do with Star Wars and Babylon 5 which is where the rest of the series came from.  they just mashed a bunch of things together that were never met to go together.


QFT.

If Casey Hudson wants to play politics, then bring it on!!

WE WILL HOLD THE LINE!!

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eoinnx03 wrote...

This guy nails it.


He sure does. EA / BioWare need to watch this, as it sums up how most of the people complaining about the ending feel.

If they feel the need to ignore us, I've already stated I'm done with BioWare games.

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rorako wrote...

http://www.digitaltr...-controversies/

For those that don't want to read the entire interview, I'll copy and paste the question and answer here.

What are your thoughts on the reaction to the game’s endings?
I didn’t want the game to be forgettable, and even right down to the
sort of polarizing reaction that the ends have had with people–debating
what the endings mean and what’s going to happen next, and what
situation are the characters left in. That to me is part of what’s
exciting about this story. There has always been a little bit of mystery
there and a little bit of interpretation, and it’s a story that people
can talk about after the fact.


Alright, Casey Hudson isn't this stupid or ignorant. Or arrogant. Now I really am starting to believe that this is all a giant joke, and Bioware is going to have some sort of ending DLC very soon. 

If not, then I can look back at this as the moment I truly lost all respect for Casey Hudson

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Pre-ordered DA2

Pre-ordered ME3

Screw me once shame on you.

Screw me twice shame on me.

I AM ashamed of myself for falling, yet again, for this weird Bioware pathology of WTF endings after playing entire games/series with nearly full agency only to have it mysteriously stripped away at their endings. And no Casey, there is far more rage than discussion. What's there to discuss? Agency, that's freely dispense during your games, magically disappears at the end.

There will not be a third.

BTW, Bioware's arrogance and indifference toward disappointed fans is a company value. I've watched their response to controversy, which they seem to revel in, since Nov 09. You wait folks, you haven't heard Dr. Muzyka give his predictable post game interview and state how "some" fans are unhappy but they just fail to understand how innovative we are.

It happened after the debacle of DA2, it's coming again.

Hope their overriding desire for artful interpretive discussion is strong enough for them to take the pounding their bottom line will take in the future.

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I for one think this interview was recent. Over the weekend there was a shift in tone from EA/BW communications. For the first couple days the vibe was

"We created endings we feel our players would love and be rewarded by."

Since Sunday the tone has definitely shifted to

"We are artists who crafted an ending that would inspire awe"

At least Its true in a sense because when i finished the game I was AAAAWWWWEEEEE WTF???!!!!???

Modifié par tamperous, 14 mars 2012 - 02:48 .


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A long answear for dodging the question. Or he just don't understand yet.

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Here's what Bioware has attempted to accomplish with their psuedo cryptic regurgitated PR speak.

1.) Give fans hope even though, 99% chance there won't be a "fix" for the ending.

2.) Make sure they never promised anything so we can't use it against them

3.) Keep ME3 in the spotlight as long as possible

4.) Try to make us think the endings have a deeper meaning where there is none

5.) MAKE MOAR MONEEEEY!! (As that's always what drives EA's decisions, no matter what)

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FitScotGaymer wrote...

eoinnx03 wrote...

Just cancelled my SWTOR account.



Ive cancelled my subscription too.

I will probably buy BW games in future but I wont ever preorder from them again. Ill be waiting till post release to get an idea of what the game is like.

And im a little aghast that this is Casey's response. Though I suppose we shouldn't be surprised Bioware initially attempted to be dismissive of the criticism of Dragon Age 2 (the valid criticism as well as the whining because it was different) and about a month or so after release was finally forced to recognise and admit to the games flaws.

BW response to DA2 criticism. Paraphrasing of course, in honour of the great system Bioware oh so loves.

Obfuscation. "There isn't any great controversy about the game. Its awesome, everyone says so." - Mike Laidlaw
Denial. "The game is great. The criticism is just whiny fan boys not liking change." -Ray Muzukya
Anger. "Whiny fanboys ruining the game and our sales over nothing! Why don't you just grow up!" -David Silverman
Deflection. "Wasn't my fault I wrote a fantastic game. The suckiness is the fault of the Dev Team." - David Gaider
Acceptance. "Okay so we made mistakes with DA2, some of them pretty bad. We are sorry," -Mike Laidlaw

And it seems that the Mass Effect team are determined to the exact same thing.

The lead dev (the very sexy Casey Hudson)  has just given us:-

Obfuscation. "We intended for the end to be controversial. Everyone loves it." -Casey Hudson

You just wait; next is a Denial that theres anything wrong from The Doctors, then Anger from someone in Marketing or a Producer (most likely Mr Gamble) reacting all pissed off about the criticism, then Mac Walters saying it wasn't his fault it was Drew Karpyshyn for writing him into a corner, and then finally Casey admitting the ending sucks; I guarantee.

God its going to be may before we get there.

Another two months of...this...Eugh.


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Mr Massakka wrote...

My reaction to his statement



that combined with jeremys video actually sums up 90% of why we are angry + how we are feeling right now :)

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He really didn't say anything one way or another, and the end he's talking about might be the end that we don't have yet. It's a troll move... but no reason to lose hope guys.

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TryckSh0t wrote...

QuarianHIV wrote...

Someone PLEASE find that quote he and other developers made about how ME3 will have closure.


Not sure if it's the quote you're looking for, but this is from March 5th, the DAY BEFORE the release:

http://www.pocket-li...-3-casey-hudson

For those who don't feel like reading it, I'll just pull some of my favorite lines from Casey:

“All the biggest
things in the series are going to start here. You are going to be the
one who decides what happens when everything comes to an end,” Hudson
says.

"With the third one,
however, the biggest challenge is making sure people are satisfied. So
what that means is making sure that we do resolve the big questions.”

“With Mass Effect 3 we needed a more definitive conclusion because it is the end of Shepherd’s story."

Now, Casey, at what point did I REALLY decide how things come to an end? What part of that was supposed to make me feel "satisfied", and what "big questions" were resolved? But, most importantly, let's define "definitive conclusion", shall we?

Definitive, as defined by Mirriam-Webster, is "to provide a final solution or end to a situation", or "fully differentiated or developed".

Conclusion, as defined by Mirriam-Webster, is "the last part of something: as result or outcome".

So, I assumed a definitive conclusion would be a fully developed outcome of the situation. Leaving the meaning of the ending up to the speculation of the fan-base is, IMO, NOT a fully developed outcome in any way, shape, or form.

In regards to the quote from the posted interview, there is a major difference between creating something that causes debate and speculation from the fans in a positive regard, and creating debate and speculation that causes tens-of-thousands of your fans to swear they will never buy another of your products. One is good for business, the other is not so good for business. Guess which one you gave us.


So at what point did he just decide to rip script pages out of 2001 and BSG and then glue them together?