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[Notho]

Great article. BioWare take note please.

[Shinzarn]

It is an interesting story that serves as a great motivator for people to keep Holding The Line, but I was distressed to find that Penny-Arcade's news service ran an article decrying the Retake Mass Effect movement and supporting the current endings. While ones builds, another destroys the progress. It was especially distressing, because the content of the PAnews and the writing style just seemed like he was towing some official party line, which felt like a cheap shot from a site I adore. Hopefully we see more posts/stories/articles that support the need for better endings, or least offer more reasonable and balanced arguments for the current ones. At least someone is getting right.

[JaylaClark]

I have to completely agree with this, based on the explanations given.

It is one of the best games I've ever played, but the ending, tell you the truth, makes KotOR 2 feel like KotOR 1 by comparison. I'm really wondering if this is why Drew left the company, he heard this was the ending they came up with to HIS game and got disgusted.

The first DLC I will buy for this game is one that lampshades the hell out of the insanity, deletes the grandfather scene as part of a hallucination, and quite possibly deletes the entire Starchild stupidity. I'm tempted to join a friend or two in an all-out BioWare boycott by cancelling TOR until it's fixed (or at least A fix is announced), and believe you me, Mister Hudson, Mister Muzyka, it needs fixing.

[Walrusninja]

I thought it was one of the best games I've ever played, and just couldn't fathom how they could possibly ruin it so badly at the end and in doing so sour a 3 game spanning experience so much. Astonishing

[Dreogan]

Shinzarn wrote...

It is an interesting story that serves as a great motivator for people to keep Holding The Line, but I was distressed to find that Penny-Arcade's news service ran an article decrying the Retake Mass Effect movement and supporting the current endings. While ones builds, another destroys the progress. It was especially distressing, because the content of the PAnews and the writing style just seemed like he was towing some official party line, which felt like a cheap shot from a site I adore. Hopefully we see more posts/stories/articles that support the need for better endings, or least offer more reasonable and balanced arguments for the current ones. At least someone is getting right.

This is a common occurance. People set up their initial opinions; gamers have a history of being little brats. 

What's on our side, and the elephant breathing down Bioware's neck right now, is all a player has to do is see the ending to see what is wrong. Not everyone will care, but I suspect very few will be satisfied with the trilogy's resolution. Bioware's position will deterorate as more people actually have firsthand experience with the garbage fed to us on fine china.

All it takes is a simple google search to see both sides of the controversy, and one of the first things people are going to see is people getting insulted for demanding the ending change. The fact that people exist in such a camp to be insulted is enough to give a good chunk of people reason to think there just might be something wrong.

[Jat371]

Christ that was beautiful.

[Slappy Ya Face]

Hammered that nail in, nice and solid. 

Modifié par Slappy Ya Face, 14 mars 2012 - 03:41 .

[Kazexnoxken]

SandTrout wrote...

Kazexnoxken wrote...

 omg yes.  Finally! ONE MEDIA OUTLET has our backs, and understands that we are not just being "whiny" like all the other publications.  A big thank you to gamefront, and big **** YOU to everyone else.  

We've had http://www.forbes.co...ffect-3/]Forbes[/url] on our side for a while.

Oh yeah. Crap, totally forgot about that. 2? We have two!

[zimm2142]

The best article I have seen, accurately addresses the ideas of control being lost and the issue of theme as well as the plot holes large enough that the reapers could fly through them.

[malakim2099]

VerdantSF wrote...

I loved this part:

"Legion immediately changes the synthetic/organic debate when you gain him as a character. Rather than furthering a Matrix-like view of a world in which machines eventually kill their creators, Legion proves that all forms of life can and do have value, and that it is absolutely possible for synthetic and organic life to co-exist peacefully. Throw in EDI from Mass Effect 3 and the debate changes radically again — now synthetic and organic characters aren’t just not killing each other, they’re actively hooking up of their own free will.

That doesn’t sound like a world in which the cylons are destined to nuke the humans. Mass Effect 3 even gives you a chance to redeem the quarians and the geth in their struggle and reunite creator and created, parent and child. These events, in the very same game, are fundamentally opposed to the philosophy of the ending and the themes it represents."

Honestly, this is what made me the most upset about these so called "endings".

I took great pains to reunite the geth and quarians. And they were both getting along GREAT after the aborted war that I helped stop. I wanted the Paragon interrupt of "Look kid, synthetics and organics DO NOT HAVE TO KILL EACH OTHER! I PROVED THAT!" And the geth never wanted to kill organics until the Reapers, yes the Reapers that the little kid AI created, got a hold of some of their programs. So that just seemed more than a touch hypocritical by that Starchild wannabe.

So yeah, that's a well reasoned article. So was the one in Forbes. And really, if Forbes is ripping on your game design at the end, you might want to perk up and pay attention. Just sayin'.

[Wattoes]

Amazing article. Someone send this to their twitters or something.

[futeki]

I cannot bump this enough!! Perfectly sums up everything I feel and have been complaining about for the last week!

[SilencedScream]

Kazexnoxken wrote...

Oh yeah. Crap, totally forgot about that. 2? We have two!

www.oxm.co.uk/39656/shepard-take-warning-fans-start-petition-for-new-mass-effect-3-endings/

gamerant.com/mass-effect-3-game-ending-fan-petition-johnj-137926/

kotaku.com/5892676/why-mass-effect-3s-ending-was-so-terrible/

www.computerandvideogames.com/339821/mass-effect-3s-ending-did-bioware-blow-it/

www.lazygamer.net/xbox-360/mass-effect-3-players-are-demanding-a-different-ending/

www.vg247.com/2012/03/10/gamers-start-campaign-asking-bioware-to-change-mass-effect-3-ending/

www.ingame.msnbc.msn.com/technology/ingame/some-mass-effect-3-players-demand-happier-ending-411424

www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/10810.html

manatank.com/2012/03/endings-mass-effect-3-suck-apparently-spoiler-free/

arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2012/03/protests-over-ending-of-mass-effect-3-show-fan-investment-in-story-control.ars

geek.pikimal.com/2012/03/12/gamers-continue-to-find-faults-with-mass-effect-3-especially-the-ending/

Uhh... yeah. Two.
That's...that's all we have.

Modifié par SilencedScream, 14 mars 2012 - 03:49 .

[Almostfaceman]

Make sure you leave comments about how you feel about the article at the end of the article, as well, it's ridiculously easy to do so without having to jump through a lot of registration hoops.

[ApplesauceBandit]

Fantastic read

[SonRyu]

YES!
A youtube comment I read summed it up perfectly "Organics would create synthetics that would eventually kill organics so I created synthetics to kill Organics to keep syntheics from killing organics".

This article was amazingly well written, and I will do all I can to Hold The Line

[DiegoRaphael]

This article and Jeremy's video must be sent to every single article saying that we are "whining" because we wanted a Disney ending.

[Ruthl3ss Carrot]

Nice work gamefront

[avantoreon]

This article really captured my feelings about the ending.

[Bunzmaster]

Good article.
Well written.

[Priviums]

Amazing gamefront. I still believe in the indoctrination theory and that bioware might have planned our crave for closure, so they'll just release a dlc with the real ending after you wake up on earth and broke free the indoctrination for 10 bucks or so, i will buy it but its still a VERY greedy move if im right. I want to close this story and be happy with it and i want bioware to confirm if the indoctrination/dream/hallucination theory are true, f***, were just asking for a little closure.

[Lexxbomb]

brilliant article.

[Bradeh]

A website that actually allows critical analysis of a game from a big publisher? The horror.

[Darth Tulak Hord]

A well written article that perfectly sums up my views on the endings. It's encouraging to see how many sites are actually thinking this through and not just bashing us.
Hold The Line.

[Harbinger of Hope]

FlyingCow371 wrote...

Anybody remember interviews like this one from pre-release:
http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/ 

"We have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don't have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere," Hudson explained."This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C."It's more like there are some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about who lives and who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way down to individual characters. That becomes the state of where you left your galaxy. The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them."

It doesn't sound like he was playing the same game at all. Either he was lying, or he didn't actually play through the end of the game or talk to anybody who played through the ending, or bioware already created other alternate, better, endings with some closure and not dooming everybody who came to fight for Earth.

Of course he was lying. That's what they did. Lie to us to get us to buy this game.