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[Texhnolyze101]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

VolusvsReaper wrote...

I didn't mind the ending, I wish it had ended slightly different but I knew it wasn't going to end like Star Wars with people dancing and drinking and Ewoks.

To me, if put aside the cliché element was pretty epic. A way to end the trilogy, leave open extra DLC for those who need more but allowing focus on Shepards companions for such (possible if think outside the box and could work well and they did say to expect surprise with DLC for the title). But also the perfect way to leave the franchise and series open to new people, new beginnings and new stories within the same universe.

I thought it was good, I liked it a lot.

They destroyed the it there is nothing left to expand and the dlc is only meant to rip you off

[Dragoonlordz]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

VolusvsReaper wrote...

I didn't mind the ending, I wish it had ended slightly different but I knew it wasn't going to end like Star Wars with people dancing and drinking and Ewoks.

To me, if put aside the cliché element was pretty epic. A way to end the trilogy, leave open extra DLC for those who need more but allowing focus on Shepards companions for such (possible if think outside the box and could work well and they did say to expect surprise with DLC for the title). But also the perfect way to leave the franchise and series open to new people, new beginnings and new stories within the same universe.

I thought it was good, I liked it a lot.

They destroyed the it there is nothing left to expand and the dlc is only meant to rip you off

I am sorry you feel that way but I have no intention of feeding you. As discussed in the other thread you made your intentions and veiws very clear. All I can say is I hope after our previous discussion you find a franchise you love as much as you loved this one, whether a new one from Bioware or Bethesda which you also mentioned in the other thread.

[harazal]

Hey, i;m glad you enjoyed the ending, i think its important that bioware see this feedback.

I would disagree with you on Skyrim. There was a real conclusion to that story. Alduin was coming back to end the world, and i stopped him. Were i to use the ME3 ending for Skyrim, i would have killed Alduin and then skyrim would have blown up.

While it is possible to explain away the massive shift in gears story wise, the plot holes, the lack of sense from the reapers, that fact that i fought to save galactic civilization, not destroy it, my genocidal acts, and the complete destruction of all life everywhere, its simply not possible for Bioware to explain away the fact i blew up the citadel in a near earth orbit.

The citadel weighed 7.11 billion tonnes, presumably most of it of a very sturdy material, all of which is about to hit earth. The damage is inconceivable. No matter what happens, life on earth is about to return to the dark ages, and synthetic metamorphosis or not, i simply don't see how anything will survive that.

[Dragoonlordz]

harazal wrote...

Hey, i;m glad you enjoyed the ending, i think its important that bioware see this feedback.

I would disagree with you on Skyrim. There was a real conclusion to that story. Alduin was coming back to end the world, and i stopped him. Were i to use the ME3 ending for Skyrim, i would have killed Alduin and then skyrim would have blown up.

While it is possible to explain away the massive shift in gears story wise, the plot holes, the lack of sense from the reapers, that fact that i fought to save galactic civilization, not destroy it, my genocidal acts, and the complete destruction of all life everywhere, its simply not possible for Bioware to explain away the fact i blew up the citadel in a near earth orbit.

The citadel weighed 7.11 billion tonnes, presumably most of it of a very sturdy material, all of which is about to hit earth. The damage is inconceivable. No matter what happens, life on earth is about to return to the dark ages, and synthetic metamorphosis or not, i simply don't see how anything will survive that.

With regard to Skyrim I see your point, I agree with it but what I was referring to was the civil war element. I will clarify this in my original post so thanks for reminding me that it needed clarification.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 21 mars 2012 - 07:38 .

[Qutayba]

Thank you, OP. I'm glad to see people posting this side of things. I don't happen to agree with you, but I appreciate that you've stayed civil under all the pressure. I wish more people would be brave enough to do so, and get a real discussion going. It sometimes feels like an echo chamber in here, even though I agree with a lot of the echoes.

Stick to your guns.

I actually agree with much of what you say. Certainly the music, visual design, and the scene with Anderson in the Citadel are things we could agree on.

My beef with the ending actually has little to do with the plot holes people keep going on about. Any epic story will have plenty of those - it comes with the genre all the way back to Homer. I just felt that the choices presented at the end went against the themes of the story that mattered most to me - strength in diversity, and asserting human meaning in a vast and perhaps otherwise meaningless universe.  There's nothing particularly human about what Shepard ends up doing.

Still, I can admit that there are other themes in the story, and some of them do get resolved in the ending, as is.

It may seem like a strange way of showing it, but most of the Retake people passionately love the game and want to see it have an ending we feel that does it justice. The discussion doesn't have to break down into "two sides" because there's a lot everyone here has in common.

EDIT:  Uh oh, you were criticizing Skyrim?!  /nerdrage

Modifié par Qutayba, 21 mars 2012 - 07:47 .

[HenchxNarf]

Hello OP! I'm glad you liked the ending and I'm impressed by your detailed breakdown. I'm sorry you've been trolled down, because it's a shame not everyone can be mature enough to let you enjoy something without saying otherwise.

[SimKoning]

So I take it you are okay with massive plot holes, blatant contradictions of what was demonstrated to be true earlier in the game, the complete negation of everything you were fighting for, the inability to argue against the absurd argument put forth by the Catalyst, and out and out space magic that can turn every quantum computer in the galaxy into a cyborg? I like this game because I thought it was an attempt to take Space Opera in a more realistic direction, not because I was hoping for a magical ending more fitting of a Dungeons and Dragons game.

edit: it also had the power to make cyborg plants, magically. Did it make cybernetic microbes too? 

Modifié par SimKoning, 21 mars 2012 - 07:47 .

[Dragoonlordz]

SimKoning wrote...

So I take it you are okay with massive plot holes, blatant contradictions of what was demonstrated to be true earlier in the game, the complete negation of everything you were fighting for, the inability to argue against the absurd argument put forth by the Catalyst, and out and out space magic that can turn every quantum computer in the galaxy into a cyborg? I like this game because I thought it was an attempt to take Space Opera in a more realistic direction, not because I was hoping for a magical ending more fitting of a Dungeons and Dragons game.

I already addressed this very issue I feel within the confines of the first post of which this thread is based on. 

[yukon fire]

So you "loved" the endings (and DA2 even), so is this something Bioware makes you do from your desk or do the let you go home to troll? Because all in all it seems like a sweet job.

[DemGeth]

yukon fire wrote...

So you "loved" the endings (and DA2 even), so is this something Bioware makes you do from your desk or do the let you go home to troll? Because all in all it seems like a sweet job.

Usually when games sell milllions of copies it's because people enjoy them


Hard to grasp I know

[HenchxNarf]

DemGeth wrote...

yukon fire wrote...

So you "loved" the endings (and DA2 even), so is this something Bioware makes you do from your desk or do the let you go home to troll? Because all in all it seems like a sweet job.

Usually when games sell milllions of copies it's because people enjoy them


Hard to grasp I know

I know, right?

[SimKoning]

"I already addressed this very issue I feel within the confines of the first post of which this thread is based on."

Not really. In case I missed something, do you think that a wave of energy that magically turns plants, microbes and apparently even quantum computers, which are systems based around entanglement and quantum superposition, into cyborgs makes sense in a universe like Mass Effect? Why even bother with speculative physics like the Mass Effect when you can have full blow miracles akin to inventing circular squares? One of the biggest reasons I liked Mass Effect is because it, unlike Star Wars, seemed to involve at least some scientific rigour.

"Usually when games sell milllions of copies it's because people enjoy them


Hard to grasp I know"
And when the sales of those games rapidly decline, and owners like myself sell it and delete the DLC because they found out it sucked after the fact, it usually means that the game wasn't all that enjoyable.

Modifié par SimKoning, 21 mars 2012 - 08:15 .

[Qutayba]

In reading some of your other responses, something that struck me was the way you roleplayed the moment - making the decision based on your Shepard. That's generally how I try to play, too. One of the things that frustrated me was the "meta-gaming" dimension of the EMS. I'm a completionist, so I probably would have gotten a good EMS anyway, even without multi-player.

I actually don't think the multi-player was bad in and of itself, but the impact it had on the single player campaign threatened some of the role-playing dimension - I resisted!

On the other hand, their reputation system was a vast improvement over the past games for roleplaying purposes. I'm not a fan of BioWare's binary system that they keep moving from but never completely get rid of. At least this time, having to worry about renegade/paragon meta-gaming didn't need to break the RP immersion. You can just act naturally according to your character vision. My "paragon" punched quite a few people because even a paragon loses his temper sometimes.

[Aetika]

From emotional and artistic point of view, I liked the ending. I think music was especially helpful. But lack of logic, small replay value and the fact that there are no other options here is problem for me.
I think Joe Donato from Gamezone described very well how I feel about ending: "The epic finale of this game is a beautiful thing to watch even when it stops making any sense. But it wasn't long before the plot holes started hitting me hard."

[SimKoning]

I like science fiction because it's fiction based around scientific speculation. What the writers did was the equivalent of having wizards show up at the end of an otherwise semi realistic western series, or a demon invasion at the end of Gladiator.

I would like people who loved the ending to explain the space magic please...

Modifié par SimKoning, 21 mars 2012 - 08:13 .

[bas_kon]

The Normandy crew abandoning Shepard is OUT of character.

[Qutayba]

SimKoning wrote...

I like science fiction because it's fiction based around scientific speculation. What the writers did was the equivalent of having wizards show up at the end of an otherwise semi realistic western series, or a demon invasion at the end of Gladiator.

I would like people who loved the ending to explain the space magic please...

Cowboys and Aliens?

[Swords and Lasers]

SimKoning wrote...

I like science fiction because it's fiction based around scientific speculation. What the writers did was the equivalent of having wizards show up at the end of an otherwise semi realistic western series, or a demon invasion at the end of Gladiator.

I would like people who loved the ending to explain the space magic please...

I would like people who hated the ending to quit being ***holes to those who do.

[SimKoning]

Swords and Lasers wrote...

SimKoning wrote...

I like science fiction because it's fiction based around scientific speculation. What the writers did was the equivalent of having wizards show up at the end of an otherwise semi realistic western series, or a demon invasion at the end of Gladiator.

I would like people who loved the ending to explain the space magic please...

I would like people who hated the ending to quit being ***holes to those who do.

How am I being an ***hole? Do you have something to add besides an ad hominem attack? If my analogy is a false one, then can you please explain why it is? 

"Cowboys and Aliens?" 

Yeah, wasn't a big fan of that movie... 

"Obviously it's set in the future so you have to make some leaps of faith but we didn't want it to be just magic in space.” —. Mac Walters, lead writer of Mass Effect

Modifié par SimKoning, 21 mars 2012 - 08:43 .

[agentofatlas7]

Wow. Long post. Look, I agree with some of what you are saying. I liked the TIM confrontation. I liked Shepard and Anderson bleeding to death beside one another. I like that stuff. What I didn't like was what happens after that sequence. Everything that happens with the catalyst kid was just too much.

I felt that they tried too hard in avoiding cliche endings and instead wanted to make an ending that was "universe changing" and bittersweet. Unfortunately, they missed the mark in both execution and emotional impact. Also it was too much like the original Deus Ex it just felt off.

Lastly, I think the main reason people in the forums are extremely dissatisfied is not necessarily the lack of choice but more on the lack of RANGE in the endings. Bioware should have done what they did in their past games and make endings that range from dark to happy. Its a formula that just works.

[Adanu]

Stop. ****ing. trolling. every. single. post people.

You dislikers *have* to come into every single thread with people that liked the ending and bash on everyone who does? It's that childish crap that makes the rest of us not take you seriously.

You're acting like spoiled children yet AGAIN.

[yukon fire]

SimKoning wrote...

Swords and Lasers wrote...

SimKoning wrote...

I like science fiction because it's fiction based around scientific speculation. What the writers did was the equivalent of having wizards show up at the end of an otherwise semi realistic western series, or a demon invasion at the end of Gladiator.

I would like people who loved the ending to explain the space magic please...

I would like people who hated the ending to quit being ***holes to those who do.

How am I being an ***hole? Do you have something to add besides an ad hominem attack? If my analogy is a false one, then can you please explain why it is? 

"Cowboys and Aliens?" 

Yeah, wasn't a big fan of that movie... 

"Obviously it's set in the future so you have to make some leaps of faith but we didn't want it to be just magic in space.” —. Mac Walters, lead writer of Mass Effect

For being paid to post they really go in to the personal attacks rather quickly, even there banners try to be mean, don't let let these guys push you around  SimK.

[Swords and Lasers]

SimKoning wrote...

Swords and Lasers wrote...

SimKoning wrote...

I like science fiction because it's fiction based around scientific speculation. What the writers did was the equivalent of having wizards show up at the end of an otherwise semi realistic western series, or a demon invasion at the end of Gladiator.

I would like people who loved the ending to explain the space magic please...

I would like people who hated the ending to quit being ***holes to those who do.

How am I being an ***hole? Do you have something to add besides an ad hominem attack? If my analogy is a false one, then can you please explain why it is? 

"Cowboys and Aliens?" 

Yeah, wasn't a big fan of that movie... 

"Obviously it's set in the future so you have to make some leaps of faith but we didn't want it to be just magic in space.” —. Mac Walters, lead writer of Mass Effect

 
It's your attitude that makes you an ***hole. You're aggresive stance of people's OPINIONS of a video game. You attack them, demanding explanations to things you don't understand. They don't owe you jack****. They had fun and who are you to tell them otherwise, wanting scientific explanations of a VIDEO GAME. It's just a VIDEO GAME. Move on with your life.
... Peace out.

[StrawberryRainPop]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Topic was moved from MP

i see. Any other input from you?

[AlexXIV]

Swords and Lasers wrote...

SimKoning wrote...

Swords and Lasers wrote...

SimKoning wrote...

I like science fiction because it's fiction based around scientific speculation. What the writers did was the equivalent of having wizards show up at the end of an otherwise semi realistic western series, or a demon invasion at the end of Gladiator.

I would like people who loved the ending to explain the space magic please...

I would like people who hated the ending to quit being ***holes to those who do.

How am I being an ***hole? Do you have something to add besides an ad hominem attack? If my analogy is a false one, then can you please explain why it is? 

"Cowboys and Aliens?" 

Yeah, wasn't a big fan of that movie... 

"Obviously it's set in the future so you have to make some leaps of faith but we didn't want it to be just magic in space.” —. Mac Walters, lead writer of Mass Effect

 
It's your attitude that makes you an ***hole. You're aggresive stance of people's OPINIONS of a video game. You attack them, demanding explanations to things you don't understand. They don't owe you jack****. They had fun and who are you to tell them otherwise, wanting scientific explanations of a VIDEO GAME. It's just a VIDEO GAME. Move on with your life.
... Peace out.

Ah yes, the Chewbacca "it is only a video game" defense. I wish you people had half a brain then it would at least be a challenge to point your flaws out. So you don't care because it is only a video game. Ok then move on with you life, why are you even here if you don't care? Ah, right, you're a hypocrite.