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[Hexxys]

I don't resent people for liking the endings, although I do feel a little sorry for them. That sounds very condescending, but it really isn't meant to be.

[kyora47322]

Now don't take this the wrong way, but, while I did like what was done until the starchild business, I think, that this does need, need to be seen by Bioware. It perfectly explains why people are upset over the endings.

www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/

Let it go on record that I absolutely --love-- mass effect, as a game series, and as a universe. My love for it is only outdone by that which I have for a particular person in real life. But, I feel a bit cheated for the very reasons explained in that article.

Modifié par kyora47322, 21 mars 2012 - 09:20 .

[yukon fire]

Swords and Lasers wrote...

SimKoning wrote...

Swords and Lasers wrote...

SimKoning wrote...

I like science fiction because it's fiction based around scientific speculation. What the writers did was the equivalent of having wizards show up at the end of an otherwise semi realistic western series, or a demon invasion at the end of Gladiator.

I would like people who loved the ending to explain the space magic please...

I would like people who hated the ending to quit being ***holes to those who do.

How am I being an ***hole? Do you have something to add besides an ad hominem attack? If my analogy is a false one, then can you please explain why it is? 

"Cowboys and Aliens?" 

Yeah, wasn't a big fan of that movie... 

"Obviously it's set in the future so you have to make some leaps of faith but we didn't want it to be just magic in space.” —. Mac Walters, lead writer of Mass Effect

 
It's your attitude that makes you an ***hole. You're aggresive stance of people's OPINIONS of a video game. You attack them, demanding explanations to things you don't understand. They don't owe you jack****. They had fun and who are you to tell them otherwise, wanting scientific explanations of a VIDEO GAME. It's just a VIDEO GAME. Move on with your life.
... Peace out.

You call him names because he has questions, yell at him that is just a game and still end with "peace out"? Why is this so personal that you have to curse him out? 

[Phobius9]

Just wanted to say that in a message board drowning in threads raging about the ending, it's refreshing to find one that argues to the contrary, and so politely.

I'm ambivalent towards the endings, but that doesn't mean that you are right or I am wrong. This would be a very boring place if everyone had the same opinions.

[yukon fire]

Hexxys wrote...

I don't resent people for liking the endings, although I do feel a little sorry for them. That sounds very condescending, but it really isn't meant to be.

Well thanks for not insulting me I guess, after 5 years Mass Effect got me trough some really tough times. It deserves better than matrix/dues ex ripoff. If thats unfair than I am sorry, but this game was almost perfect and to miss on something so critical as the ending. Its like losing a dear friend, almost everything seems brings me back to that sick feeling I got. And the vileness of IGN and its lot, well I don't get it.        

[Tyrsah]

Hey OP,

First off Thank You! Your post was very informative as to your reasons for liking the ending(s) and overall game. I've been trying to get someone to explain to me their reasons for some time now with little success and even less respect. Both of which you provided beautifuly, so thank you for that as well.

I have points that I, without a doubt, agree with you upon:

Shepard and Anderson's final scene was wonderfully executed and even made me tear up. So bravo Bioware.

The music was beautiful and emotionally provocative.

Overall scenery and the active environment was awesome and immersed me even further into the story.

Here, however, is where our tastes seem to diverge. I have no complaints for the overall game aside from some glitches that are easily disregarded. The locations are stunning, the music is beautiful, the character's are tangible, and the overall story is epic. And due to this set precedent, I expected nothing less for the ending.

For me, all the closure I received throughout the game became null and void after picking my ending. It was far too short and I was left to guess (not speculate) at how my final actions changed my previous choices. Because, to me, it seems that so much destruction would have some very far reaching effects that would alter what I fought for, drastically.

I also felt my crew acted completely out of character in the closing scenes. This is not so much a response to how I thought they should act, but how the writers wrote them to act. It seemed forced and uncharacteristic of the character development previously laid out in the trilogy.

And of course there's the new character, circular logic, nonsensical explanations, and sudden lack of personal choice. All of which was introduced in the last 10 minutes of gameplay. Each of these things has a place in any story but not at the end, not at the culmination of an epic tale. It felt rushed, disjointed and tacked on. The Mass Effect franchise deserved better in my opinion and I am not content or fulfilled by the ending provided.

This is of course my opinion and I don't want to impose it upon you. I simply wished to return the favor of you sharing a very thoughtful and respectful post.

For those of you who have responded with equal respect, I thank you for remaining civil and open minded and encourage you to remain so. There is no need for rude or condescending comments here. Let's be adults and acknowledge diversity without attacks.

Once again, thank you for sharing OP.

[SimKoning]

Swords and Lasers wrote...

SimKoning wrote...

Swords and Lasers wrote...

SimKoning wrote...

I like science fiction because it's fiction based around scientific speculation. What the writers did was the equivalent of having wizards show up at the end of an otherwise semi realistic western series, or a demon invasion at the end of Gladiator.

I would like people who loved the ending to explain the space magic please...

I would like people who hated the ending to quit being ***holes to those who do.

How am I being an ***hole? Do you have something to add besides an ad hominem attack? If my analogy is a false one, then can you please explain why it is? 

"Cowboys and Aliens?" 

Yeah, wasn't a big fan of that movie... 

"Obviously it's set in the future so you have to make some leaps of faith but we didn't want it to be just magic in space.” —. Mac Walters, lead writer of Mass Effect

 
It's your attitude that makes you an ***hole. You're aggresive stance of people's OPINIONS of a video game. You attack them, demanding explanations to things you don't understand. They don't owe you jack****. They had fun and who are you to tell them otherwise, wanting scientific explanations of a VIDEO GAME. It's just a VIDEO GAME. Move on with your life.
... Peace out.

I wasn't attacking anyone, you are attacking me by calling me an ***hole. I honestly want to know how fans make sense of that particular ending, because to me, it makes no sense at all, on any level. That doesn't mean that people who like it are stupid, I'm just curious to know how they make sense of it. Is there anything to understand? Because honestly, I found it to be utter nonsense in an otherwise quasi hard SF take on the space opera genre.

Modifié par SimKoning, 21 mars 2012 - 10:09 .

[Lukanp]

Is this real life?

[Petrikles]

OP, judging from your answer, you like the emotions the ending transfers. And you feel there was enough resolution already in the course of the game so more resolution wasn´t up to the ending anymore, the emotional part was the right way.

[sadako]

I felt the same, till i found out that all three endings were the same. Glad you liked it though. At least, if they added new DLCs, you can feel that you're satisfied with it and not buy later DLCs.

I'm hooked, and I feel that the ending was an injustice to a great series. It's like watching an intelligent growing son/daughter that's just got stoned on drugs. Watching things wasted is painful.

[mackan__s]

This isnt about liking the ending, its about understand it, what really happen. Explainations missed, plotholes, and cliffhangers, to many questions unanswered. A end thats makes SENSE!

I could have been liking the ending if all of those things were added into the game.

Modifié par mackan__s, 21 mars 2012 - 10:25 .

[Lukanp]

It's interesting how costumers who liked the ending restrain from mentioning any logical consequences implied by the ending, or it's nonsensical implementation considering the context of the whole story. Insted, they talk about theur feelings, how it's nice that Joker smiled in the end, or how awesome the view was etc. Seriously, as if the critical part of the fanbase are a bunch of insesitive pricks. Discussing the ending in such a way is almost as ridiculous as saying that "Battlefield Earth" was a great movie because of Travolta's convincing makeup...

[sadako]

Lukanp wrote...

It's interesting how costumers who liked the ending restrain from mentioning any logical consequences implied by the ending, or it's nonsensical implementation considering the context of the whole story. Insted, they talk about theur feelings, how it's nice that Joker smiled in the end, or how awesome the view was etc. Seriously, as if the critical part of the fanbase are a bunch of insesitive pricks. Discussing the ending in such a way is almost as ridiculous as saying that "Battlefield Earth" was a great movie because of Travolta's convincing makeup...

Which sometimes makes me think they're corporate sockpuppets / astroturfers.

[Artoz96]

sadako wrote...

Lukanp wrote...

It's interesting how costumers who liked the ending restrain from mentioning any logical consequences implied by the ending, or it's nonsensical implementation considering the context of the whole story. Insted, they talk about theur feelings, how it's nice that Joker smiled in the end, or how awesome the view was etc. Seriously, as if the critical part of the fanbase are a bunch of insesitive pricks. Discussing the ending in such a way is almost as ridiculous as saying that "Battlefield Earth" was a great movie because of Travolta's convincing makeup...

Which sometimes makes me think they're corporate sockpuppets / astroturfers.

It was explained 100500 times. No matter how many times people explayn who r the reapers, what Crucible means or outher thing it doenst work. U don't want to listern all you what is to say that ending is a bull****.

[Adanu]

Artoz96 wrote...

sadako wrote...

Lukanp wrote...

It's interesting how costumers who liked the ending restrain from mentioning any logical consequences implied by the ending, or it's nonsensical implementation considering the context of the whole story. Insted, they talk about theur feelings, how it's nice that Joker smiled in the end, or how awesome the view was etc. Seriously, as if the critical part of the fanbase are a bunch of insesitive pricks. Discussing the ending in such a way is almost as ridiculous as saying that "Battlefield Earth" was a great movie because of Travolta's convincing makeup...

Which sometimes makes me think they're corporate sockpuppets / astroturfers.

It was explained 100500 times. No matter how many times people explayn who r the reapers, what Crucible means or outher thing it doenst work. U don't want to listern all you what is to say that ending is a bull****.

This.

People have explained things to you dislikers. You don't listen and you only flame and troll those who try. Why the **** should we care anymore or even respect you people?

sadako wrote...


Which sometimes makes me think they're corporate sockpuppets / astroturfers.

Perfect example of what response anyone who tries to explain things gets.

You can both go to hell. I'm done being respectful and only getting flamed.

Modifié par Adanu, 21 mars 2012 - 11:08 .

[Iwillbeback]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

• I loved from Anderson and Shepard sitting together near the end. It was a touching moment.
  
• The scenery walking down towards your fate as the battle rages outside showing every second walking is taking it's toll on life of others.

Ok you liked the emotional chat with Anderson, that what we all wanted after we played Mass efefct 1

• The crew leaving the ship in lush green forest looking up at the sky (especially Ash which was my LI), smiling and looking happy to be alive (I like to think fondly remembering my Shepard and their love for each other). On a land so far away and an adventure about to begin to trying to reach home.
  
• Seeing Joker and EDI together where they can be together, a bond present since ME2.
  
• The music and soundtrack to the game even the end music.

Ok that really doesn't have anything to with the story, and creates many Plot holes

• Shepard giving everything he has to save everyone after being hit by the Reaper near the end, the feeling that he gave it his all and saved the ones he loved while bleeding to death and barely hanging on to life and regardless of the outcome.

Actually he doomed an entire fleet of Krogan, Quarian and Turian and thousands of more to there death.
And he killed trillions by blowing up the mass relays

• The final scene on the planet with nice scenery looking at the moon with grandfather and child talking about what once was and the story inspiring the child to reach for the stars (maybe lead character in ME4) and knowing life goes on plus more including imagining how they (my companions) lived out the remainder of their lives, were they happy or sad, did they remember him decades on and will peace remain all sparks imagination.

No that is bad, the mass effect story involving shepard hasn't been wrapped up.

I felt all the choices had an impact in the game during the game, the repercussions occur in time but I am gone and not present so naturally I do not or would not know how things turn out for everyone.

Sounds like a good excuse for Bioware to be lazy and make massive plot holes.

• I liked how TiM reacted and what he says as he looks at the Earth after my actions too when I shot him.
  
• You were told the game would provide closure to elements brought up in the first two. This was done in the game rather than the ending and I felt they accomlished it very well. You will never get 100% closure on everything because the outcomes are infinite over time. You make choice x save it saves y (closure), he goes on and lives happy life or sad one (closure), he had a child and that child went on and lived his life (closure) again and goes on forever.
  
• It feels like a title/game that shows more than most others implies the journey matters most rather than the destination and last five or ten minutes of the game and I am happy with that.
  
• The choices I had hard time choosing which to do and that is good, I RP as my character in those situations and that world. I do not play as a god controlling his every actions and knows every consequence. Played it through his eyes and it was good for that reason and why I had a back and forth between choices/platforms at end as I struggled to pick one.

You had no choice, there was only one outcome.
Everyone gets the same ending no matter what decisions they made beforehand.
Even the A,B and C choices are the same, you had no choice.
There was only one way to go.


The real choice was what color you wanted to see at the end.
Mass effect 3 ending does this for the entire franchise

Modifié par Iwillbeback, 21 mars 2012 - 11:19 .

[Lukanp]

Adanu wrote... 

People have explained things to you dislikers. You don't listen and you only flame and troll those who try. Why the **** should we care anymore or even respect you people?

With all due respect, I'm aware of these arguments and I simply dont buy them. It's not a flame or Troll when you point out a transparent flaw in a product, and with the way this ending was implemented I cannot see why anyone invested in the series would consciously defend it. For the sake of the argument I'm using a lot of Star Wars references lately but it just seems they work well as a comparison. What if at the end of Return of the Jedi it was revealed that the Emperor was being controlled by a no name, force-using Ewok, and even if George was to provide a brief explanation for that state it would still be out of place. As is the Starchild explanation of the synthetic-organic conflict which resulted in creating the Reaper cycle, especially since the basis for such a claim has been obliterated by Shepards own past actions. 

Modifié par Lukanp, 21 mars 2012 - 11:33 .

[Adanu]

Lukanp wrote...

With all due respect, I'm aware of these arguments and I simply dont buy them. It's not a flame or Troll when you point out a transparent flaw in a product, and with the way this ending was implemented I cannot see why anyone invested in the series would consciously defend it.

With all due respect, then you go on to essentially say that your way is the only way.

I've played three Shepards through ME1-ME2-ME3. Completed the game twice now and working on my third Shepard. I have as much right as you do to the series. DOn't like it? You're wrong and I'm right.

There, I'm just going to use your logic from now on since that's the only thing that you people understand it seems.

[Coolfaec]

Adanu wrote...

Lukanp wrote...

With all due respect, I'm aware of these arguments and I simply dont buy them. It's not a flame or Troll when you point out a transparent flaw in a product, and with the way this ending was implemented I cannot see why anyone invested in the series would consciously defend it.

With all due respect, then you go on to essentially say that your way is the only way.

I've played three Shepards through ME1-ME2-ME3. Completed the game twice now and working on my third Shepard. I have as much right as you do to the series. DOn't like it? You're wrong and I'm right.

There, I'm just going to use your logic from now on since that's the only thing that you people understand it seems.

Listen to yourself! You're..indoctrinated!

[DannieCraft]

I agree with most you say and I respect your opinion. The ending have many bittersweet and beautiful moments, and I thank BioWare for a wonderful experience.

I want nothing of what's there to be changed, but I want the gaps to be filled in to make a conclusion to the story of Shepard. As it is now, we are being left with a cliffhanger that tells us this isn't over - even if this was supposed to be the definite end to the trilogy. I don't like that. Not without an official statement telling us it will continue.

As of now, Casey Hudson have only said that "this is not the last you'll see of Commander Shepard". Additional DLC is on it's way, and our feedback is helping the team to see what they should focus on. And I trust the Core Team of Mass Effect, I really do. They know the story and where they are going better than we do. But it doesn't change the fact that I really wanted to finish the game with a real ending to things when I played it the first time. 

[Adanu]

Coolfaec wrote...

Adanu wrote...

Lukanp wrote...

With all due respect, I'm aware of these arguments and I simply dont buy them. It's not a flame or Troll when you point out a transparent flaw in a product, and with the way this ending was implemented I cannot see why anyone invested in the series would consciously defend it.

With all due respect, then you go on to essentially say that your way is the only way.

I've played three Shepards through ME1-ME2-ME3. Completed the game twice now and working on my third Shepard. I have as much right as you do to the series. DOn't like it? You're wrong and I'm right.

There, I'm just going to use your logic from now on since that's the only thing that you people understand it seems.

Listen to yourself! You're..indoctrinated!

**** off.

[Dragoonlordz]

I find those who use the space magic term to attack another's view quite silly.

Stand in front of a cave man with planted C4 a mile away using a detonator to activate it, to the cave man it appears to be magic. The same principle with even the smallest of things such as a lighter starting fires. It is constantly reminding the player through out the game that even though they have the plans they do not know what it does, lack of understanding of something that's more advanced. Every race that found a relay did not understand how they worked to begin with and they were vastly more advanced than the own species technology, same with Prothean beacons jumping a civilizations knowledge in leaps and bounds. The Reapers also more advanced and people do not know everything about how they work down to each and every square centimetre of the ship.

What I mean is just because you do not understand something does not mean it's not possible or that it's actually magic and I personally did not need to know how to take apart and rebuild a relay or the normandy to be satisfied with believing they are possible to exist in that universe. As said I am not interested in the game becoming a documentary encyclopedia or biography even dictionary or thesaurus. Not all technology has to be explained to me to enjoy the game of which stated in first post but people are choosing to ignore that statement in order to further their own agendas.

With regard to plot holes I also addressed this as there are ways to get your head around elements, using imagination and interpretation. It is just the case some people either do not want to think about it and want to see or do it and others who refuse to change from the stance of "if they do not agree with me then they are wrong". That stubborn and arrogant reaction is detrimental to the social element of this site being if you refuse to believe or be open to another's opinion then your just saying the same thing over and over again with an element of "trolololo, I can't hear you. <fingers in ears>" which is not a good thing for discussions or debate about the games most of us love.

In all previous games people have had to think about and imagine why somethings happen or what something means, each and every ME title had this so I find it surprising how bitter some are over having to continue doing such in this title. Most of the threads created on the site have been theoretic in nature from the offset and has been a bonus to debating and discussion because of that, not an offense to require such in the games.

I will also point out every single title in ME has also had plot holes, this is not something new yet some people are treating as such. Lastly I will state again if what some people are looking for is an encyclopedia of instead of a video game then that's up to them but for myself I was looking for something both entertaining and that had some emotional impact (ME3 ticked these boxes for me). I spent the same amount of money as most people who dislike it and been a fan of Bioware as long as most people here so implying those who do like the ending are in any way, shape or form less fans compared to themselves they would be gravely mistaken and so much so that they don't realise most of us have spent and invested more time and money into Bioware and their products than some of those making such claims.

I will add this to my first post so to avoid further having to repeat myself.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 21 mars 2012 - 04:55 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Hexxys wrote...

I don't resent people for liking the endings, although I do feel a little sorry for them. That sounds very condescending, but it really isn't meant to be.

I'm glad you do not resent those of us who do like it, I feel sorry for you that you don't gain the same enjoyment. You should not feel sorry for us in sense of what we enjoyed because out of the two groups we are happy and satisfied while those who do not like it are unhappy and upset. If in life you are happy then you are in a far better state than those who are not. Though it would be nice if people here showed a modicum of respect towards those who do like something they do not (many do here but many also do not).

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 21 mars 2012 - 03:49 .

[RiouHotaru]

Lukanp wrote...

It's interesting how costumers who liked the ending restrain from mentioning any logical consequences implied by the ending, or it's nonsensical implementation considering the context of the whole story. Insted, they talk about theur feelings, how it's nice that Joker smiled in the end, or how awesome the view was etc. Seriously, as if the critical part of the fanbase are a bunch of insesitive pricks. Discussing the ending in such a way is almost as ridiculous as saying that "Battlefield Earth" was a great movie because of Travolta's convincing makeup...

Uhhh, because any "logical consequence" that's "implied" by the ending is just that.  Implication.  There's lots of proof and speculation, but no hard evidence.  There's just as much validity to the speculation that everyone will be okay, as there is that everyone is doomed.

[Sean]

I would like my game to make sense.

How did Hacket know Shep was on the Crucible?
How did Anderson get ahead of Shep when he said he was behind him?

Why was it said that no one survived the laser when Shep, Anderson and the crawling soldier were alive?

What was the point of Sovereign from ME1 if the SpaceBrat is the citadel?

How did Joker know of the blast?

How did your squadmates get to the ship?

ME2 Arrival said had that when a relay blew up then it takes out a system, what happened to that?

If it is a "different" blast then there are still no relays. A lot of people are stuck over a burned out Earth. Even with FTL it could take decades to get to the next system but they have barely any fuel.

Then Shep wakes up in London under rubble if you chose Destroy with 4000+ war assets. How did that happen. Was it all a dream?(or attempted indoctrination after Shep went unconscious?)
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The end just has too many plot holes and it has horrible writing.
Bioware's quality level for writing is much higher than that and the current seems like a 10 year old came up with it who didn't even play the series.