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[Vasparian]

How exactly are the endings cliche? They are 3 colors. How are colors cliche? OP makes NO sense t all.

[Dragoonlordz]

Vasparian wrote...

How exactly are the endings cliche? They are 3 colors. How are colors cliche? OP makes NO sense t all.

Cliché as in done before many times, meaning the format/structure of the ending which even recently in DE has been done too again. This I have answered many times in this thread. I have personal dislike of having to repeat myself and would love it if people read the content of the thread of which I took time out of my own life to answer such before in this very thread multiple times, this question and many more various questions that new people to the thread are asking all over again because they cannot be bothered to put the effort into looking back through the content here. If seek my opinion on something that has not already been answered by me in my thread then thats fair enough but as I said I do not like repeating myself so will probably most of the time only answer things not had to repeat already.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 26 avril 2012 - 02:35 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Drogonion wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Drogonion wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Drogonion wrote...

LOL. I honestly have nothing but disdain for anyone who can rationalize those endings away. Granted there are a small class of folks who would never be able to identify a broken narrative ending, or for that matter, a perfect one. And maybe the OP falls into this category.

But LOL, those endings were objectively broken and repulsive, narratively and thematically. Yet there will always be some who can get themselves to believe the crazy and preposterous, usually to help them deal with their anger, pain and frustration. So human, all too human.

I never had any anger, pain, frustration or disappointment thanks. I never had to convince myself of anything. My opinion of which stated in the first post is how I felt then and feel now, I was fine with it then and I am fine with it now. So you are mistaken. I also posted a response that answers your very aggressive first paragraph a few pages back and also first post I believe answered there too. Your welcome to go read it, but as you have nothing but disdain for me for liking what you do not I have no intention of putting in extra effort and my time going and finding the post or paragraph which relates to it a while back here for you.

I apologize: "disdain" was too harsh and melodramatic.  You seem to fall into the category that are unable to "get it" and therefore can genuinely find the endings satisfying.  This is not an insult.  Some of the very best people simply cannot dance.  

Being unable to "get it" = Liking it.? ... Wouldn't it logically be the other way around? There was an intention with the ending, and if you don't get it, you won't like it. If you get it, you'll be much more inclined to like it adn not experience the melodrama you seem to covet.

There was definitely an intention for the endings: Bioware's artistic vision of tremendous cost to defeat the reapers.  A cost so high that most fans felt despair and hopelessness afterwards.  You can play with the term "getting it," but what I mean by "getting it" is having these nihilistic feelings hit you as the climax to a lengthy narrative defined by the exact opposite: by hope and achieving the impossible.  

What exactly are you doing in this thread? Your not asking me any questions about the content of my opinion stated on the first page, just insulting me and others. I have to question what it is your trying to achieve as I have also stated you will not change my mind by just telling me I "don't get it", ignorant or crazy especially not when insult me and others who like what you do not.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 26 avril 2012 - 02:39 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Sir Hecubus wrote...

So when someone doesn't understand something and would like an explanation, and you refuse to help them out, who is being the ass hole?

I hated the ending but why can't anyone actually explain why it makes sense and is good?  Feeling good about an ending doesn't explain why it makes sense?  This deus ex crap comes out of nowhere so yes with all the plot holes people are going to question it.

but maybe us "haters' are just too stupid to understand the epicness of this ending.  And require some forsight and explanation as to why it makes sense, and is considered good by others.  Because for the life of me, i just don't get it.

The highlighted element of what you wrote has already been answered many times in this thread by myself and others. I prefer people if wished to find answers actually take the time to read the thread rather than grabbing their pitchforks and torches at the mere glance of a thread title or just the intital post. There is 18 pages of debate about the ending I have taken a large part in plus many others, all of which was quite reasonable and polite until of late where a few tried to cause drama where none is needed. Unfortunatly when one is late for the party they tend to miss out on certain things but lucky for people here they do not require a time machine to find out such answers as it remains present only a few clicks away on a separate page of the thread. All you have to do is be willing to look and given it is you seeking answers I assume you have a vested interest in finding out therefore willing to take a moment to look.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 26 avril 2012 - 02:46 .

[Sir Hecubus]

i have read most of your original post, and still fail to see how the ending makes sense. I am trying hard to find the answers but to me they just aren't there.

There are far better video's and write ups about why the ending was so bad. It has been done to death. and congrats on liking it, I envy you because this was supposed to be an epic conclusion to sheppard's journey, and for most of the game it was but Deus Ex machina imo is just lazy writing when you can't come up with a better ending.

You mentioned deus ex:human revolution, (haven't played it yet) but with the name Deus ex, having the Deus Ex Machina as the ending would be fitting, not so much in a game like mass effect.

I can understand that the game itself was an ending, it tied up Rannoch and Tuchunka quite well. I will never understand how so much effort went into those storylines but couldn't be bothered to even give the main ending that same amount of detail.

There will always be minor gripes about games and lies about features in a game. But when the lies are so blatant like the ones that Bioware told,after the game was being certified. i can't fathom people ignoring that and forgiving them. I just can't. The ending would still be bad imo but i would not be nearly as upset about it, if they didn't lie about what the ending would and wouldn't be.

The whole series was on a collision course to face and try and defeat the reapers. Where was harbinger in ME3 after playing a decently big role in ME2. You spent as much time fighting Cerberus that you did the reapers, why couldn't i join Cerberus again, and follow TIM way?

What I mean is just because you do not understand something does not mean it's not possible or that it's actually magic and I personally did not need to know how to take apart and rebuild a relay or the normandy to be satisfied with believing they are possible to exist in that universe. As said I am not interested in the game becoming a documentary encyclopedia or biography even dictionary or thesaurus. Not all technology has to be explained to me to enjoy the game of which stated in first post but people are choosing to ignore that statement in order to further their own agendas.

This is Mass Effect which documented every little thing you encountered, so yes it is a dictionary, encyclopedia,etc. I didn't read every single codex but when you take that much time and investment into documenting and explainig everything, of course people are going to dissect it. While for you having an explanation might not be that important, when the game does that for pretty much every planet, every tech you encounter, species, etc. Why shouldn't players expect the reconstruction of the relays to be explained. or that the destruction of the Relays would infact create a supernova. When everything is explained throughout the series, it isn't inconceivable that the repercussions of the ending should be explained.

You seem to be only caring about Sheppard, and i can see where you may like the ending because it a way it does conclude his ending, but the game wasn't solely about sheppard. You havve grown to love other characters that played a huge part in sheppard's story, so again I don't think its too much to ask bioware to show and explain what happens to these characters.


All in all this game could have been a lot better and less rushed if given the proper time and resources to make it a truly epic conclusion. You feel that is was, and i disagree.

Modifié par Sir Hecubus, 26 avril 2012 - 03:34 .

[Vasparian]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Vasparian wrote...

How exactly are the endings cliche? They are 3 colors. How are colors cliche? OP makes NO sense t all.

Cliché as in done before many times, meaning the format/structure of the ending which even recently in DE has been done too again. This I have answered many times in this thread. I have personal dislike of having to repeat myself and would love it if people read the content of the thread of which I took time out of my own life to answer such before in this very thread multiple times, this question and many more various questions that new people to the thread are asking all over again because they cannot be bothered to put the effort into looking back through the content here. If seek my opinion on something that has not already been answered by me in my thread then thats fair enough but as I said I do not like repeating myself so will probably most of the time only answer things not had to repeat already.

Blah blah blah.. Thanks for the no answer. 

[Drogonion]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Drogonion wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Drogonion wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Drogonion wrote...

LOL. I honestly have nothing but disdain for anyone who can rationalize those endings away. Granted there are a small class of folks who would never be able to identify a broken narrative ending, or for that matter, a perfect one. And maybe the OP falls into this category.

But LOL, those endings were objectively broken and repulsive, narratively and thematically. Yet there will always be some who can get themselves to believe the crazy and preposterous, usually to help them deal with their anger, pain and frustration. So human, all too human.

I never had any anger, pain, frustration or disappointment thanks. I never had to convince myself of anything. My opinion of which stated in the first post is how I felt then and feel now, I was fine with it then and I am fine with it now. So you are mistaken. I also posted a response that answers your very aggressive first paragraph a few pages back and also first post I believe answered there too. Your welcome to go read it, but as you have nothing but disdain for me for liking what you do not I have no intention of putting in extra effort and my time going and finding the post or paragraph which relates to it a while back here for you.

I apologize: "disdain" was too harsh and melodramatic.  You seem to fall into the category that are unable to "get it" and therefore can genuinely find the endings satisfying.  This is not an insult.  Some of the very best people simply cannot dance.  

Being unable to "get it" = Liking it.? ... Wouldn't it logically be the other way around? There was an intention with the ending, and if you don't get it, you won't like it. If you get it, you'll be much more inclined to like it adn not experience the melodrama you seem to covet.

There was definitely an intention for the endings: Bioware's artistic vision of tremendous cost to defeat the reapers.  A cost so high that most fans felt despair and hopelessness afterwards.  You can play with the term "getting it," but what I mean by "getting it" is having these nihilistic feelings hit you as the climax to a lengthy narrative defined by the exact opposite: by hope and achieving the impossible.  

What exactly are you doing in this thread? Your not asking me any questions about the content of my opinion stated on the first page, just insulting me and others. I have to question what it is your trying to achieve as I have also stated you will not change my mind by just telling me I "don't get it", ignorant or crazy especially not when insult me and others who like what you do not.

You're missing what I'm saying, and I'm not insulting anyone.  Is it an insult to say someone has a tin ear in reference to a piece of music?  Well what about narrative then?

Why would I want to change your mind?  How can someone screaming at another make them see the beauty in a thing?

I have said that either you do not feel the heartache that results from this broken ending, or that you deal with that heartache in a different way than many of us.  You disagree.  Let's leave it at that.

[Biokiipper]

Listening "An end once and for all" track, thinking about the game and the playthroughs, I realized the end was not as bad as people say. We didnt get closure enough, but its ok... What makes me a little sad or nostalgic is the fact that the day I finished the game I couldnt play anymore... I was planning to start a female sheppard and finish my 3 others... I played around 250 hours ME 1 and 200 hours ME2 and one time ME3. I really enjoyed the game, and the feeling that I was near the end gave some kind of heart ache... I finished the game almost 2 monthes ago and I still feel a heart ache, a "missing feeling"... I dont know yet if I will play any ME again, but I couldnt uninstall them too, the games are ready to go... they are great, I feel the endings that we were presented dont allow lots of playthroughs...because we already know whats coming... this heart pain...not all bad...the whole was awesome and the end, in its way was good too. I guess the developers didnt know how attached we were to the game. Its hard to say goodbye this way... we were cut... we got a void feeling... We that love games AND their stories, emotions, characters cant say goodbye this way... Its was not only action for me, I liked the ME universe... and it was destroyed the way we knew during the gameplay... and theres nothing we can do inside game to change that... it was the last one of the series... We have only our complaints here outside... I think thats the big issue, well, at least for me...

[Baa Baa]

Even if I somewhat liked it, I couldn't forgive it for blatantly ripping off the game deus ex, along with using a deus ex machina just to attempt an easy way out of the series.

[HenchxNarf]

Baa Baa wrote...

Even if I somewhat liked it, I couldn't forgive it for blatantly ripping off the game deus ex, along with using a deus ex machina just to attempt an easy way out of the series.

Just going to put this one out there.

Deus Ex Machina isn't a new concept, it existed before the Deus Ex games, just saying.

It dates back to ancient greek tragedies. So I wouldn't reccomend trying to pull that.

[Dridengx]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I actually enjoyed the endings

A lot of people enjoyed the endings including myself. Don't let a minority activist group make you think otherwise. Most ME3 lovers moved on to other games, like gamers do. While the sour bunch dwell on

Modifié par Dridengx, 06 mai 2012 - 03:37 .

[FOZ289]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Even if I somewhat liked it, I couldn't forgive it for blatantly ripping off the game deus ex, along with using a deus ex machina just to attempt an easy way out of the series.

Just going to put this one out there.

Deus Ex Machina isn't a new concept, it existed before the Deus Ex games, just saying.

It dates back to ancient greek tragedies. So I wouldn't reccomend trying to pull that.

You misread his post.  "Deus Ex Machina" has nothing to do with the Deus Ex games.  They don't even use that device themselves.  He means they ripped the 3 endings off from Deus Ex, and that the Deus Ex Machina (the Crucible) was weak.  Two different issues.

Modifié par FOZ289, 06 mai 2012 - 03:41 .

[AcidwireX]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kbct wrote...

-snip

Why you do not like it doesn't matter to me, sorry if seems heartless. I explained why I like it and I have seen it already.

Also mods, put this thread in the right section either general (non spoiler) or story (spoiler), multiplayer section is incorrect.

I felt the need to reply to this one because this just confuses me.

If you don't care about why people don't like the ending, what makes you think anyone cares about why you like it?

[jakal66]

AcidwireX wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kbct wrote...

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Why you do not like it doesn't matter to me, sorry if seems heartless. I explained why I like it and I have seen it already.

Also mods, put this thread in the right section either general (non spoiler) or story (spoiler), multiplayer section is incorrect.

I felt the need to reply to this one because this just confuses me.

If you don't care about why people don't like the ending, what makes you think anyone cares about why you like it?

Well I really don't care what anybody thinks...I liked the
game...looking foward to the free dlc and closure.I'm not even sad for
the people who felt cheated or disappointed by the game...couldn't care
less about the retakers and their cupcake crusade...couldn't care less
about those who hate the Multiplayer...or those who couldn't get their ponies and raimbows ending or those who didn't understand it, or those who did, or those who hated the 3 chioces or the 3 colors,or those who dont like this or
that
and as I don't care about what you think I'm sure neither do you.

Still doesn't mean I can't post about it.

I know your post wasn't directed at me but still, I guess my point is that most of us don't really care about others opinions when they're like our opinions.Very few people here have the capacity to have a real debate over the subject

Modifié par jakal66, 06 mai 2012 - 03:58 .

[Gen Petitt]

Forget normal hate threads like these need my SPARTAN hate!

[Xa1u5]

I am happy that there are people out there who got enjoyment out of the endings as they are, please all cut down on the vitriol spilling around, this makes the whole thing even worse...

For myself, I felt like I just got dumped a load of **** on my desk... the ending was just one WTF?-moment chased by another until I couldn't bear it anymore... the "buy moar DLC message" was just to make it even worse, followed by that cheesy scene with grandpa and the child....

Perhaps it's my background as a scientist, for me things have to make at least a bit of sense and be coherent to be enjoyable, and the setup of the whole ME story up until the last 10 minutes didn't suggest otherwise... but I can image there are people out there who judge the experience more from an emotional standpoint rather than a rational one...

Edit: some typos..

Modifié par Xa1u5, 18 juin 2012 - 09:53 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Xa1u5 wrote...

I am happy that there are people out there who got enjoyment out of the endings as they are, please all cut down on the vitriol spilling around, this makes the whole thing even worse...

For myself, I felt like I just got dumped a load of **** on my desk... the ending was just one WTF?-moment chased by another until I couldn't bear it anymore... the "buy moar DLC message" was just to make it even worse, followed by that cheesy scene with grandpa and the child....

Perhaps it's my background as a scientist, for me things have to make at least a bit of sense and be coherent to be enjoyable, and the setup of the whole ME story up until the last 10 minutes didn't suggest otherwise... but I can image there are people out there who judge the experience more from an emotional standpoint rather than a rational one...

Edit: some typos..

I liked that grandpa scene. Reminded me of a few sci-fi games I have played before where after the destruction of what once was, it can all begin again as long as life remains somewhere. I mentioned in another thread the similarities I felt between the cycle of evolution and destruction in ME and how ME3 ended reminds me of the theme of Phantasy Star series. I figure that is what they were gong for with that scene and because I have seen a similar thing before I can see how it might work well enough that a follow up title could benefit at least from my enjoyment point of view hence the phrase I used right at start of first post months ago in this thread about new possiblities.

While one could argue well two different things they should be different, I do not require everything I play to be radically different from something I have played in the past. This is probably why the use of DE style choices did not anger me or upset me unlike it did others and while far from ideal or perfect way to handle the choices it was not worth getting angry about I felt. One thing that found amusing is I actually felt like the 'insert coin' feeling at the end of the game was more apparent in DA2 ending rather than ME3.

I also agree with you about the state of these forums in how people react to each other, the issue is not that some like and some dislike it is that some cannot stand the fact anyone could like it. Way too much disdain and hatred of anyone who could like it spills out as vitirol and contempt which ends up being retaliated against. For the most part this thread has only seen some of it which is good. Shows that there are reasonable and polite people still here amongst all the vicious ones.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 19 juin 2012 - 01:53 .

[D24O]

Gen Petitt wrote...

Forget normal hate threads like these need my SPARTAN hate!

You are a blight. I didn't like the end, but everyone's entitled to their opinion, plus he actually details why he liked them, something we don't usually get on the forum. I'm glad to see the perspective, and while I disagree, I do envy you, I wish I could've liked them as much as you do.

[Dragoonlordz]

D24O wrote...

Gen Petitt wrote...

Forget normal hate threads like these need my SPARTAN hate!

You are a blight. I didn't like the end, but everyone's entitled to their opinion, plus he actually details why he liked them, something we don't usually get on the forum. I'm glad to see the perspective, and while I disagree, I do envy you, I wish I could've liked them as much as you do.

Fingers crossed that the EC goes at least even if not all the way to mending it for you at least hopefully it will go part way towards doing so. Even as someone who liked the ending per se I am lookng forward to the EC with the new cinematics and such which are an addition of content to help resolve some issues that some had (even though not all), rather than cutting out what I liked so in this way I can enjoy the extra content too.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 19 juin 2012 - 01:46 .

[D24O]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Fingers crossed that the EC goes at least even if not all the way to mending it for you at least hopefully it will go part way towards doing so. Even as someone who liked the ending per se I am lookng forward to the EC with the new cinematics and such which are an addition of content to help resolve some issues that some had (even though not all), rather than cutting out what I liked so in this way I can enjoy the extra content too.

Well, although I don't like the stylistic and thematic turn the ending took, I'm fine with BW telling the story they want. With some more exposition on the results of the final choice, and more importantly, more exposition on the fates of the squad, I think it can be satisfying for all but those most vehemently against the ending. If rumors are to be believed, the current version was written by 2 people, the EC has the whole team, so they're giving it their all. I'm willing to give them another chance. 
 

[Dragoonlordz]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Duuuuuuude I love this gameeeeeee

I'm glad. That is what we pay for, to gain enjoyment from the games we purchase and play. Your not the only one who enjoys it and many have said the same in this thread. Whatever the reason of why each who do enjoy it does so, all that matters is you did  because it is your money and your own personal enjoyment from that investment that counts.

Some did and some did not enjoy it but I see no reason why so many should hate those of us who did. We spent the same amount of money probably on the title so if we glimmered some enjoyment from it we should not be targetted for it. It is a bit like those who liked DA2 vs those who did not at first there was a lot of annoyance between one and the other but once people started to rationalise their actions and calm down people respected the fact that even if they did not enjoy it the ones who did should be allowed to do so without the contempt from others. DA2 forums as such are now quite a nice place to chat about the game due to this change in manner of interaction between the two sides. This one I imagine will follow suit eventually.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 19 juin 2012 - 02:18 .

[MegaSovereign]

Maybe you already answered this question OP, but what ending did you choose?

[mass perfection]

*Facepalm*