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[the red boon]

I'm so happy that synthetics killing oraganics to stop synthetics from killing organics made sense to you.
On a side note I find that avatar extremely annoying.

[Lexagg]

God, can at least ONE of you express your love for endings without trying to belittle the rest of the community?

[Aedan276]

Kierkegaardianite wrote...

VolusvsReaper wrote...

I didn't mind the ending, I wish it had ended slightly different but I knew it wasn't going to end like Star Wars with people dancing and drinking and Ewoks.

But that's been the MO of the franchise since the beginning.

If you play as a Boy Scout Paragon, caring about everyone's feelings and doing the right (if sometimes naive) thing, you get an ending that reflects that how your heroism brought everyone together and saved the day. If you play as a Machiavellian Renegade, slapping utilitarian sense into everyone you meet, you get an ending that reflects how you were able to make the decisions nobody else was willing to make in order to save the day. That has been the single, uniting factor between all three games: you choose, through your plot decisions and willingness to prepare beforehand, whether you want to celebrate your victory with dancing Ewoks or live with the sacrifices you made because winning was the only thing that mattered.

That's the essence of Mass Effect, and that was what was taken away for whatever reason in the final moments of the game.

Hear, hear. 

[Dragoonlordz]

the red boon wrote...

I'm so happy that synthetics killing oraganics to stop synthetics from killing organics made sense to you.
On a side note I find that avatar extremely annoying.

They did not kill all organics they culled them back to pre-space state reducing the cost of conflict and limiting the damage of war amongst the stars. Also most people like my avatar, if look at my comments section on my profile thats whats most said.

[Dragoonlordz]

Lexagg wrote...

God, can at least ONE of you express your love for endings without trying to belittle the rest of the community?

I have not belittled the rest, but ironic that the within moments of creating this thread my love of the endings was attacked for pages and I was forced to defend such a simple principle of ones subjective preference and enjoyment of something.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 mars 2012 - 05:21 .

[dkear1]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

the red boon wrote...

I'm so happy that synthetics killing oraganics to stop synthetics from killing organics made sense to you.
On a side note I find that avatar extremely annoying.

They did not kill all organics they culled them back to pre-space state reducing the cost of conflict and limiting the damage of war amongst the stars. Also most people like my avatar, if look at my comments section on my profile thats whats most said.

What baffles me about this whole rediculous logic leap is why didn't the reapers just defend organics against synthetics? 
Cut off you nose to spite your face..........yea, seems legit.

[Linus108]

I really hated the ending. But I'm really happy you enjoyed it.

I sincerely mean that. Wish I was able to share the joy you felt upon the game ending. I really wanted that for my favorite series.

[Dragoonlordz]

dkear1 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

the red boon wrote...

I'm so happy that synthetics killing oraganics to stop synthetics from killing organics made sense to you.
On a side note I find that avatar extremely annoying.

They did not kill all organics they culled them back to pre-space state reducing the cost of conflict and limiting the damage of war amongst the stars. Also most people like my avatar, if look at my comments section on my profile thats whats most said.

What baffles me about this whole rediculous logic leap is why didn't the reapers just defend organics against synthetics? 
Cut off you nose to spite your face..........yea, seems legit.

I guess because the AI aka catalyst did not think of that solution and thought his solution had more long term effect. Also by culling and reducing to pre-space the original species after 50k years would eventually learn how to stop the culling making his actions impossible to achieve. That would be my theory.

[TcomJ]

....... So many different endings.... NOT xD

I don't know how you like them but.... ok LOL

[Dragoonlordz]

Linus108 wrote...

I really hated the ending. But I'm really happy you enjoyed it.

I sincerely mean that. Wish I was able to share the joy you felt upon the game ending. I really wanted that for my favorite series.

Thank you. I understand why others did not enjoy it but this does not change why I did enjoy it. 

[Dragoonlordz]

TcomJ wrote...

....... So many different endings.... NOT xD

I don't know how you like them but.... ok LOL

I explained why I liked them in the first post though.

[dkear1]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
I guess because the AI aka catalyst did not think of that solution and thought his solution had more long term effect. Also by culling and reducing to pre-space the original species after 50k years would eventually learn how to stop the culling making his actions impossible to achieve. That would be my theory.

So the space god kid while being all powerful and all knowing could not conceive of actually fighting the bad guys and instead wipes out both good and bad so that a few good can survive that will grow up and create new bad guys and the process starts over.

Seems legit.

[Dragoonlordz]

greengoron89 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Lexagg wrote...

God, can at least ONE of you express your love for endings without trying to belittle the rest of the community?

I have not belittled the rest, but ironic that the within moments of creating this thread my love of the endings was attacked for pages and I was forced to defend such a simple principle of ones subjective preference and enjoyment of something.

My dear Dragoon, you have to had seen this coming - the forums are afire with rage, and have been for several days now. You'd best believe voicing a contrarian opinion amidst all of that rage is going to rustle some feathers.

Not even that disrespect your point of view - good on you for finding value in the endings. I just hope you really weren't naive enough that you thought this thread wouldn't catch on fire (unless you's trollin').

I took a gamble, I felt however I needed to express my own view amonsgt all the doom and gloom of which other did not gain the same level of enjoyment as myself. I felt a forum post is more productive tham individual emails or private messages to each person working on the product I loved.

[the red boon]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

the red boon wrote...

I'm so happy that synthetics killing oraganics to stop synthetics from killing organics made sense to you.
On a side note I find that avatar extremely annoying.

They did not kill all organics they culled them back to pre-space state reducing the cost of conflict and limiting the damage of war amongst the stars. Also most people like my avatar, if look at my comments section on my profile thats whats most said.

Alright to one point did they let the primitive organics surivive only to harvest them in the ending the logic still doesn't matke sense. The are not protecting organics from synthetics because they are synthetic and they are killing organics before they can pose a threat. Yeah that makes complete sense.

[Sparkky]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

the red boon wrote...

I'm so happy that synthetics killing oraganics to stop synthetics from killing organics made sense to you.
On a side note I find that avatar extremely annoying.

They did not kill all organics they culled them back to pre-space state reducing the cost of conflict and limiting the damage of war amongst the stars. Also most people like my avatar, if look at my comments section on my profile thats whats most said.

Thats not what they did...
Im starting to think the reason you liked the ending so much is that you don't understand it and made up your own.

[Terumitsu]

Dragoon, with all the rage that's going around, I think more of us need to come out and say good on you for liking the ending. I say this with complete honesty and I can respect your decision/tastes and so on. Some of us are getting all tied up in knots about this and, while I am for the movement of more variety to the end, that does not give us any reason to be a dick to those who liked what they got.

That said, I hope you don't get bogged down by all the rage.

[Dragoonlordz]

dkear1 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
I guess because the AI aka catalyst did not think of that solution and thought his solution had more long term effect. Also by culling and reducing to pre-space the original species after 50k years would eventually learn how to stop the culling making his actions impossible to achieve. That would be my theory.

So the space god kid while being all powerful and all knowing could not conceive of actually fighting the bad guys and instead wipes out both good and bad so that a few good can survive that will grow up and create new bad guys and the process starts over.

Seems legit.

He is no god, he is not all knowing either. He is an AI advanced he may be but no god child by any means.

Logically there is less potential risk involved in starting again than trying to continually patch a broken system and time is irrelevant factor as an AI for himself. Not just risk to each other as a species but also a risk primarily to himself and his ability to control what he felt was chaos, if he defended and left to continue to evolve they could find a way to disable him and ruin what he thought was the good he was doing. As a machine aka AI himself he does not rely on emotion to make judgements. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 mars 2012 - 05:35 .

[Esquin]

Sparkky wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

the red boon wrote...

I'm so happy that synthetics killing oraganics to stop synthetics from killing organics made sense to you.
On a side note I find that avatar extremely annoying.

They did not kill all organics they culled them back to pre-space state reducing the cost of conflict and limiting the damage of war amongst the stars. Also most people like my avatar, if look at my comments section on my profile thats whats most said.

Thats not what they did...
Im starting to think the reason you liked the ending so much is that you don't understand it and made up your own.

Which really is part of the problem. There is so little clarity on what the Reapers goals are, what your choices do and what happens to the state of the galaxy that we're left to fill in the blanks on our own. 

Problem is that msot logical conclusions leave us with trillions dead and all space faring civilisations wiped out in the space of a decade. The only groups that would survive are independent colonies that weren't hit hard by the reapers and aren't in systems containing mass relays.

[Kakaw]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

In theory he may have already been hundreds of thousands of years in the making before he noticed the cycle (meaning constant wars) of which he then took over a form of syntheic life and eventually they became the Reapers and started all cycles. Chaos I think just means what he implies the wars that happen between races over time always over his creation he noticed occuring, and hence started on his solution which later became a cycle. I don't think he helped Shepard at the end as much as people think. He could not stop Shepard being in VI form of an AI lifeform. He therefore stated the options open to Shepard of which he could not stop Shepard from picking one in first place. The catalyst is the Citadel and he is the core of the Citadel therefore he is the catalyst (imho). Now I do not know if the core was built prior to being part of the Citadel but that would seem likely to me and he was added to the creation at some stage as one manner or might have been built alongside the Citadel to begin with.

I kinda edited the **** out of my previous post. But ok, it could all make sense. I still think he helped shepard. Atleast by lifting him up on that stealthy elevator. But if he only was a helpful VI, then I guess... He was just doing his thing. It still felt quite "magical", like what the fff is going on and why do i (shep) have to die to make the crucible work? Who made up these rules Why did the smartest people of every race forget the power-on button? If all it took was to destroy that one conduit (or whatever it was) to destroy the reapers, why couldn't shep radio in for an extraction? The normandy in stealth mode, or the port-shuttle could've picked up shep and then taken out that conduit thingy with its guns Why did the crucible require shepards body to merge bio with synthetic life forms? Would it not suffice with a ring-finger?^^ FRODOOO

Modifié par Kakaw, 15 mars 2012 - 05:39 .

[Esquin]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
I guess because the AI aka catalyst did not think of that solution and thought his solution had more long term effect. Also by culling and reducing to pre-space the original species after 50k years would eventually learn how to stop the culling making his actions impossible to achieve. That would be my theory.

So the space god kid while being all powerful and all knowing could not conceive of actually fighting the bad guys and instead wipes out both good and bad so that a few good can survive that will grow up and create new bad guys and the process starts over.

Seems legit.

He is no god, he is not all knowing either. He is an AI advanced he may be but no god child by any means.

Logically there is less potential risk involved in starting again than trying to continually patch a broken system and time is irrelevant factor as an AI for himself. Not just risk to each other as a species but also a risk primarily to himself and his ability to control what he felt was chaos, if he defended and left to continue to evolved they could find a way to disable him and ruin what he thought was the good he was doing. As a machine aka AI himself he does not rely on emotion to make judgements. 

Dude here's the thing. If the choice had been there I'd have gladly sacrificed all of galactic civilisations in exchange for letting the next cycle of life live free ofthe reapers. Its a high cost, but in the face of certain extinction it seems a fair trade. 

Problem is that we didn't get that choice. It was forced on us. That is the problem.

[Dragoonlordz]

Terumitsu wrote...

Dragoon, with all the rage that's going around, I think more of us need to come out and say good on you for liking the ending. I say this with complete honesty and I can respect your decision/tastes and so on. Some of us are getting all tied up in knots about this and, while I am for the movement of more variety to the end, that does not give us any reason to be a dick to those who liked what they got.

That said, I hope you don't get bogged down by all the rage.

I won't deny it is getting quite frustrating people come in and somehow they expect me to answer their problems with the ending when they were not problems for myself because the amount of exposition and clarity of all remaining elements is not what I seeked in the ending as stated in the first thread post.

I wanted an emotional farewell to my character at the end, all choices I cared about happened during the game. In the end I picked to pull back the Reapers and I was happy with that choice. Making that choice through the perspective of character not overlord who knows every alternative, this made the ending (in character) hard and I enjoyed that choice regardless of all being similar or not). The enjoyment in that choice was in that it made me pause for thought.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 mars 2012 - 05:39 .

[Dragoonlordz]

greengoron89 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

He is no god, he is not all knowing either. He is an AI advanced he may be but no god child by any means.

Logically there is less potential risk involved in starting again than trying to continually patch a broken system and time is irrelevant factor as an AI for himself. Not just risk to each other as a species but also a risk primarily to himself and his ability to control what he felt was chaos, if he defended and left to continue to evolve they could find a way to disable him and ruin what he thought was the good he was doing. As a machine aka AI himself he does not rely on emotion to make judgements.

He's a "god" in the sense that he fancies himself a god - as do all Reapers, and those they indoctrinate. Or that's at least how I perceived it.

I don't percieve him as having the emotions to feel that he fancied himself anything. To him it may of seemed a logical way to handle what he thought was a problem and a threat if does nothing and leaving them evolve towards himself in finding a way to stop his solution.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 mars 2012 - 05:41 .

[dkear1]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
I guess because the AI aka catalyst did not think of that solution and thought his solution had more long term effect. Also by culling and reducing to pre-space the original species after 50k years would eventually learn how to stop the culling making his actions impossible to achieve. That would be my theory.

So the space god kid while being all powerful and all knowing could not conceive of actually fighting the bad guys and instead wipes out both good and bad so that a few good can survive that will grow up and create new bad guys and the process starts over.

Seems legit.

He is no god, he is not all knowing either. He is an AI advanced he may be but no god child by any means.

Logically there is less potential risk involved in starting again than trying to continually patch a broken system and time is irrelevant factor as an AI for himself. Not just risk to each other as a species but also a risk primarily to himself and his ability to control what he felt was chaos, if he defended and left to continue to evolve they could find a way to disable him and ruin what he thought was the good he was doing. As a machine aka AI himself he does not rely on emotion to make judgements. 

Except that the game implies that he is a god child.  You don't get to question him, or call him on his BS.  Hell I had just made peace between the geth and quarians.  Does this count for anything.........nope.

So the game through the god like child forces us to meekly choose between three bad options like a beggar for table scraps.  If you are fine with it GREAT.  Happy for you.    Me.........no thanks.  I choose my paragon option and tell him to send the code that fries the reapers.  Or if I am making a renegade run I hack his database and fry the reapers AND him.

Didn't get those options.  Why not?