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[xtorma]

You are entitled to your opinion glad you enjoyed it.

[Dragoonlordz]

xtorma wrote...

You are entitled to your opinion glad you enjoyed it.

Thanks, I hope you find a way to gain the same yourself providing you keep being reasonable in what you ask for and respectful in how you ask for it I will wish you all the luck in the world. Oh and as long as it is optional as I do not see why I should suffer the loss of my enjoyment due to the lack of it from others, not when if kept optional both sides gain the same enjoyment.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 mars 2012 - 05:23 .

[Reptilian Rob]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

The backwards nonsensical reaper motivation, the lack of an investigate option, the pick-your-color-to-choose-your-ending system. No, there was not a single redeemable aspect of the ending after the Anderson conversation. Everything with the Starchild is terribly written trash.

+1

[IST]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

The backwards nonsensical reaper motivation, the lack of an investigate option, the pick-your-color-to-choose-your-ending system. No, there was not a single redeemable aspect of the ending after the Anderson conversation. Everything with the Starchild is terribly written trash.

+1

Terribly written Indoctrinated trash mindue..

[FRancium]

Frankly, I found the glaring lack of conversation and choices at the end (question Reaper motivation, use Geth-Quarian peace as evidence, etc) insulting to both Shepard and the gamer.

[Mandemon]

I wish I had enjoyed the ending. I could be playing the entire series again by now, but nope, here I am hoping that something comes and fixes the ending, so that I can have my spark back.

[Turtlicious]

I am glad you enjoyed the ending, but I respectfully disagree.

I hope that there isn't too much flaming or trolling, and I hope that everyone reports those who do. It helps our movement because it prunes the ones who damage our image, and helps you because no more trolling.

Also, retakeme's Please remember politeness, at no point do we need to be insulting. I am merely stating the truth. If anyone disagrees with me, or thinks I have been offensive in anyway, please PM me so that I can discuss with you more.

TL;DR: Please report trolls/flamers, even if they agree with you.

[Turtlicious]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

xtorma wrote...

You are entitled to your opinion glad you enjoyed it.

Thanks, I hope you find a way to gain the same yourself providing you keep being reasonable in what you ask for and respectful in how you ask for it I will wish you all the luck in the world. Oh and as long as it is optional as I do not see why I should suffer the loss of my enjoyment due to the lack of it from others, not when if kept optional both sides gain the same enjoyment.

Well, it will be paid DLC, and those who did NOT enjoy the ending can just refrain from buying it. That's why I don't understand all the lash back from the pro-ending people. What stops them from just not buying it?

[Johcande XX]

I wish I could have enjoyed the ending as well.

For me though, the end faults at one pivotal moment; not being able to question Casper's logic. I can see a renegade agreeing; but if you built up your Paragon status to the point where you were the second coming of Jesus, why would your Shepard not question him?

Now if the indoctrination theory is what you believe then the whole experience would be a dream, which would explain the lack of ability to call Casper out on his BS. However that means that we were sold a game with no ending, but worse than that is that ME3 caps off a trilogy. So you get this epic space-opera spanning 100+ hrs that has no ending. And now I'm sad.

So yeah, I really wish that I could have enjoyed it too, cuz I don't like being sad. LOL

[Egonne]

It would be very similar to walking into the Louvre and using a red crayon to put a bigger smile on the Mona Lisa. Something like that may be 'your thing' but I seriously question but your taste and judgement.

The 'star kid' twist at the end was something I saw as a potential ending. Didn't surprise me although personally I wish they wouldn't have gone that route. The lack of truly different endings is also disappointing but not devastating. They could just be making a complex nihilistic statement on how all the little decisions don't really matter.

All that is a matter of personal taste. I can understand someone being okay with that.

What I am NOT okay with are the gaping plot holes: Normandy inexplicably in the Mass Relay system, squad mates who were part of the failed Citadel Beam charge exiting a crashed Normandy unscathed, and Shepard lying wounded under a pile of debris.

Sure, if you are okay with the plot holes from six-year old children then you should be fine with this. Sure, if you thought the other ME games had a Duke Nukem style writing that existed just because someone thought they would throw in a plot, then you shouldn't be expecting anything that great and would be fine with this.

But in respect to the rest of the series, which was brilliant, I cannot respect an ending that wasn't even subpar; it was random nonsense. No person who truly thought the other ME games were brilliant and expected the same quality from ME 3 should be able to honestly accept this. It is NOT good writing by ANY standard.

[Dragoonlordz]

Egonne wrote...

It would be very similar to walking into the Louvre and using a red crayon to put a bigger smile on the Mona Lisa. Something like that may be 'your thing' but I seriously question but your taste and judgement.

The 'star kid' twist at the end was something I saw as a potential ending. Didn't surprise me although personally I wish they wouldn't have gone that route. The lack of truly different endings is also disappointing but not devastating. They could just be making a complex nihilistic statement on how all the little decisions don't really matter.

All that is a matter of personal taste. I can understand someone being okay with that.

What I am NOT okay with are the gaping plot holes: Normandy inexplicably in the Mass Relay system, squad mates who were part of the failed Citadel Beam charge exiting a crashed Normandy unscathed, and Shepard lying wounded under a pile of debris.

Sure, if you are okay with the plot holes from six-year old children then you should be fine with this. Sure, if you thought the other ME games had a Duke Nukem style writing that existed just because someone thought they would throw in a plot, then you shouldn't be expecting anything that great and would be fine with this.

But in respect to the rest of the series, which was brilliant, I cannot respect an ending that wasn't even subpar; it was random nonsense. No person who truly thought the other ME games were brilliant and expected the same quality from ME 3 should be able to honestly accept this. It is NOT good writing by ANY standard.

Google ME1 and ME2 plot holes, Don't pretend this is something new that somehow the writing has always been amazing all of the time, there has always been plot holes in the ME franchise so why would you expect that to magically disappear with this title. Bit silly (imho) people complaining about plot oles as though Bioware has never had such before but like I said Mass Effect is not a biography and documentary instead it is a form of entertainment and if they provide and emotional finale (ending) instead of a spreadsheet of facts then I am okay with that.

You appear to have had a different desire and expectation then myself, I wanted an emotional farewell to Shepard at the end, not a spreadsheet or everything in the known universe to be explained in great detail. I also have no problem using my imagination for some plot and story elements which again is not something new with ME franchise and people have always had this; those people most of time over years here have created vast amounts of threads talking about what they think x or y means, how did z happen.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 20 mars 2012 - 04:15 .

[spacefiddle]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

The backwards nonsensical reaper motivation, the lack of an investigate option, the pick-your-color-to-choose-your-ending system. No, there was not a single redeemable aspect of the ending after the Anderson conversation. Everything with the Starchild is terribly written trash.

You think so? Good for you. I am actually glad I bought the game and I liked it. Different strokes, different folks. I had the same concerns but the difference is I think they pulled it off with only one exception of being slightly cliché method of ending but thats okay.

I appreciate - and agree with - many or most of your bullet-pointed list items.  You detail a series of snapshots; taken alone, I believe you are quite right, they are amazing scenes and many of them artfully done.

I am confused at "cliche but that's OK."  I'm not sure why it's OK, or why you wouldn't expect it to be not OK with many others?  Especially when a writing team demonstrates abilities far beyond slapping together some ancient SciFi memes (that predate the term "meme," lol), it's disappointing when they choose to wrap up their epic with the creative equivalent of "the butler did it."  They can do better.  I have higher standards, and it's largely BW's fault that I apply those standards to the ME series.

For me, the excellence of some of the isolated *presentations* of the ending bits is independent from, and has no effect on, the overall disappointment of the ending.  It really feels like the last 10 minutes were put together in 10 minutes.

More than that, from your words I read a lot of indications that you don't mind filling in blanks, headcanon, and "imaginging what happens next."  For me, especially in SciFi, I like things that make sense, are internally consistent, and don't negate everything I've tried to accomplish.  The Child-God, the Adam and Eve ending (EDI and Joker), the Destruction of Evil Technology We're Not Ready For (Mass Relays), Advanced Civilations WIll Only Destroy Us All (Entire motivation of the reapers)... all of it falls flat and leaves a bad taste.

For me, the implications of what's presented is FAR more important than me "fixing" it in headcanon.  The destruction of the relays - as many have pointed out, you've pretty much doomed the galaxy, but it's either ignored or lightly touched on as a "necessary sacrifice."  This is the *precise* ending of the Hyperion series by Dan Simmons, as teleporting gates are destoyed to save us from evil AI while stranding or outright murdering billions, because it's evil advanced technology We Were Never Meant To Have.  More disturbingly, on some Bioware internal video - some promo, I forget - there's even a copy of Hyperion visible on some employee's desk, in plain view.  THAT stopped me cold for a second.

If I want cliches I'll get cable.

[XxApocalypse]

 Very good point and does make sense

[XxApocalypse]

 Also good point and aslo makes sense

[Bronze65]

Clearly the OP was high on crack and fascinated by the pretty colors.

[Samzo77]

I'm with you. The ending left you to imagine what becomes of the galaxy. It's thought provoking and entertaining all the way through.

[Spikko]

I think I should join this club. I chose the synthesis end, my Shepard died but i felt a great sense of accomplishment as if the whole saga reached the fullfilment it deserved.
The whole game was about closeure, for Krogan and Genophage, for the Geth and quarian War, for your love interest and so on.
There are only two thing that doesn't work in the infamous ending scenes that should be fixed:

1) Everyone should be able to see their love interest in the final flashback instead of random Liara
2) The crewmember that were with you in the final assault should not be displayed on the Normandy.

That's it, everything else works fine.

[Spikko]

Bronze65 wrote...

Clearly the OP was high on crack and fascinated by the pretty colors.

No, the truth is just that people that hated the ending are not the majority, you just feel more the urge to come here and post your discontent.
I enjoyed my ending and instead of coming here and post about it I immediately rolled another character and started again.
Trust me, I'm not the only one.

[SaladinDheonqar]

Good for you. What are your thoughts on the criticisms? Namely this gamefront article and this video by Angry Joe? Do you at least see why so many have a problem with it?

Modifié par SaladinDheonqar, 21 mars 2012 - 01:25 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Spikko wrote...

Bronze65 wrote...

Clearly the OP was high on crack and fascinated by the pretty colors.

No, the truth is just that people that hated the ending are not the majority, you just feel more the urge to come here and post your discontent.
I enjoyed my ending and instead of coming here and post about it I immediately rolled another character and started again.
Trust me, I'm not the only one.

You can't say that for certain. It seems more likely given the stats that this is true, but hardly conclusive. 

One thing that is certain is that the core fanbase, the part that Bioware rely on to buy merchandise, DLC, and spread word of mouth, has largely been alienated. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Samzo77 wrote...

I'm with you. The ending left you to imagine what becomes of the galaxy. It's thought provoking and entertaining all the way through.

Imagine? Everyone dies. Whether it be of supernova, infighting, disease or starvation, everyone dies. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Spikko wrote...

I think I should join this club. I chose the synthesis end, my Shepard died but i felt a great sense of accomplishment as if the whole saga reached the fullfilment it deserved.
The whole game was about closeure, for Krogan and Genophage, for the Geth and quarian War, for your love interest and so on.
There are only two thing that doesn't work in the infamous ending scenes that should be fixed:

1) Everyone should be able to see their love interest in the final flashback instead of random Liara
2) The crewmember that were with you in the final assault should not be displayed on the Normandy.

That's it, everything else works fine.

That's obviously ignoring the myriad other complaints people have brought up. Namely, the gamefront article, the google doc. that's floating around, and the veritable host of summary threads. I could knock off half a dozen right now that make the ending fail, and they won't just be the plot holes. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 21 mars 2012 - 01:32 .

[Egonne]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Egonne wrote...

It would be very similar to walking into the Louvre and using a red crayon to put a bigger smile on the Mona Lisa. Something like that may be 'your thing' but I seriously question but your taste and judgement.

The 'star kid' twist at the end was something I saw as a potential ending. Didn't surprise me although personally I wish they wouldn't have gone that route. The lack of truly different endings is also disappointing but not devastating. They could just be making a complex nihilistic statement on how all the little decisions don't really matter.

All that is a matter of personal taste. I can understand someone being okay with that.

What I am NOT okay with are the gaping plot holes: Normandy inexplicably in the Mass Relay system, squad mates who were part of the failed Citadel Beam charge exiting a crashed Normandy unscathed, and Shepard lying wounded under a pile of debris.

Sure, if you are okay with the plot holes from six-year old children then you should be fine with this. Sure, if you thought the other ME games had a Duke Nukem style writing that existed just because someone thought they would throw in a plot, then you shouldn't be expecting anything that great and would be fine with this.

But in respect to the rest of the series, which was brilliant, I cannot respect an ending that wasn't even subpar; it was random nonsense. No person who truly thought the other ME games were brilliant and expected the same quality from ME 3 should be able to honestly accept this. It is NOT good writing by ANY standard.

Google ME1 and ME2 plot holes, Don't pretend this is something new that somehow the writing has always been amazing all of the time, there has always been plot holes in the ME franchise so why would you expect that to magically disappear with this title. Bit silly (imho) people complaining about plot oles as though Bioware has never had such before but like I said Mass Effect is not a biography and documentary instead it is a form of entertainment and if they provide and emotional finale (ending) instead of a spreadsheet of facts then I am okay with that.

You appear to have had a different desire and expectation then myself, I wanted an emotional farewell to Shepard at the end, not a spreadsheet or everything in the known universe to be explained in great detail. I also have no problem using my imagination for some plot and story elements which again is not something new with ME franchise and people have always had this; those people most of time over years here have created vast amounts of threads talking about what they think x or y means, how did z happen.

Yes there has always been plot holes.  But not on the level of nonsense:

1. Shepard gets hit with the beam.  How long did he lay there? How was it that NO ONE, friend or enemy, stubbled on him while he was unconscience? This requires fairly little imagination but the total has begun.

2. Anderson making it to the beam? This is starting to get big.  The absolute emphasis that NO ONE made it to the beam and the implication that most if not ALL were killed is too strong.  Still tolerable though.

3. Anderson getting beamed to a different part of the Citadel? Really? How did that happen? And how did he get to the Illusive Man's platform when there seems to be only one path to it.  This STILL isn't too much of a strain.  But it is starting to get big.

4. The Illusive Man's presence on the Citadel.  This is a minor one.  But still isn't explained (although normally I'd be fine with that) and still adds to the total.

5. How did Hackett know Shepard was on the Citadel?  This is starting to get out of hand.

6. The Mass Relay's NOT destroying entire systems when they explode.  This, again, is a minor one because it can be explain due to the odd way the Mass Relay were being used (to synthesis/control the reapers).  But the total is starting to get pretty large.

7. Normandy and Joker in the Mass Relay stream? This is a BIG one.  No reason is given on WHY he should be.  DIdn't Hackett tell him Shepard was alive and on the Citadel? This is out of character in almost EVERY way.  This SHOULD have been explained.  Now we are starting to stretch 'imagination' pretty far.

8. Normandy surving a forced ejection from the Mass Relay system? Wasn't that established to be destructive? This COULD be explained away as well.  But the total is starting to get overwhelming.

9. Normandy crashing on a planet? And an inhabitable one at that? In a normal ending this could simply be ignored because it is such a common plot problem (the new Star Trek movie had the same problem).  But we are still adding to a VERY big total.

10. My squad mates inexplicably exiting the Normandy after it crashed? Now HERE we have the BIG one.  This simply DOESN'T make any sense at all.  How did they get there? Why did they leave the battle?  This ending, which was already pushing believability, just totally unraveled.

11. My squad mates not only are ON the Normandy but seem UNSCATHED a mere minutes (possibly hours if you stretch it a LOT) after being part of the failed Citadel beam charge? The story just built up how devastating that charge was.  Shepard was incredibly hurt.  How did they get out without a scratch?  This is HUGE! It is impossible to overexaggerate the problem here.

12. My squad mates, who magically appeared on the Normandy, and who are in remarkable health, also seem quite HAPPY? WHAT!?!?!?!  Didn't they just witness what they thought was Shepard's death? Didn't they just witness the destruction of the mass relays? Didn't they lose any chance at all of seeing ANY of their loved ones again?  And they seem HAPPY? This synthesis process must be some pretty strong stuff. 

[Joolazoo]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

7 pages and I didn't read them all but I saw a handful of people liked the endings and many people took another opportunity to mourn by vocalizing their loss. Could the people who liked the endings vote on the poll, I would like to see if I really am in the minority or not.

It doesn't matter whether we are the majority or minority what matters is that we gained enjoyment and are happy with what we recieved and that made our purchase worthwhile. A poll on these forums will go very much against those of us who enjoyed the ending.

However coming at it from the same perspective that many fans will be, new ones and those not present here. Those who buy games to enjoy them, casually and not hardcore lore or die hard ME fans. A large amount of the sales for ME3 will be based on that group though the die hard fans will say it is not so because they may feel it marginalizes them. I am quite sure many will feel the same way as Gabe did here and ourselves (even though we have been long time fans of the franchise and developer) from that group but those people do not spend their time here, do not vote in polls and do not care much for what a Bioware or Mass Effect fanatic would say (the silent majority as it were numbering in the millions), but will will not know what they feel because they are the kind who do not care for polls and making statements on developer forums.


What matters is that we enjoyed it.

I love how you're speaking for a group you are obviously not part of as evidenced by your essay length speech. If you are going to disagree with the other side and say they shouldn't get their way don't make up a "silent majority' that you don't know exists to backup you when a tiny percentage of people actually agree the endings are ok.