I honestly envy you then.
Probably the only one here but... What I liked about the endings.
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#202
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 01:38
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#203
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 01:41
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Should have ended at the Anderson talk would have ended with less star child confusion and more hope
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 01:47
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I am glad you posted this. It is nice to see what the ending likers are thinking and seeing their point of view. To be honest, I truly enjoyed the ending right up until the "star child."
I agree...the entire Anderson/ TIM segment was very well done, and it can be interpreted in several ways. And the music, the whole soundtrack, was phenominal.
I did not like the star child. Why? Because he was not a good dude. He was that child that you saw in the begining, and lets be honest, if this were a benevolent being he wouldnt be haunting your dreams as that child. He just wouldnt take that form. When, in any videogame/tv show has a creepyghost child been good? NEVER!
With this in mind....he gives you three options. I seriously doubt, if he is in cahoots with the reapers, he would actually let you end the cycle and everything that spewed from his pint sized demon child mouth was a lie. This could have been awesome if bioware went more into this, explained it more. But it left me feeling stale, like the reapers were never defeated. And yea, war sucks. But I will be blunt. I dont want to invest in these videogames if they dont give me a sense of accomplishment. Why the hell would I play them just to see real life. I'll turn on the news. Video games are to provide an escape. Not asking for sunshine, I am asking for closure.
The decisions themselves were great. Varied, with the potential for completely different outcomes for the near and distant future. But rather than utilize this, we get 3 almost identical endings with no sense of how it affects the universe. I also do not like how they bring past choices into some sort of finale dialogue, like they did in dragonage. Simple. But gave me closure and wanted me to replay the game. I wasnted to see what would happen if I chose A instead of B. In ME3, I dont feel the need to replay. My paragon will have the same exact outcome as my renegae, different color explosion.
The scenery is great and it gives you a real understanding at the sheer scale of the war. I mean...c'mon....you have EVERY SPECIE cooperating.
The Normandy thing....seemed off. They were running from the Mass Relay explosion, which apparently only affected the Normandy and not the thousands of other ships in the vicinity? How did the crew members we took to the final mission get to the Normandy? I thought they would have died on their way to the beam (radio chatter DID say no one made it) So that totally didn't make sense.
Now...when the crew comes out of the Normandy....I *DO* like the smile. The "its over" smile. I don't like how they are stranded. With Mass relays down, and what the epilogue implies, they are stuck there. How big is the crew of the normandy? I dont think a viable population could be drawn from this.
Going to end this before it becomes more of a tldr and carpal tunnel sets in.
TLDR:
Thank you for pointing out the good points in the ending. Though I am upset about the factors that upset me, there were good aspects bioware could have played up to satisfy I think a majority of the whole discontent crowd.
I agree...the entire Anderson/ TIM segment was very well done, and it can be interpreted in several ways. And the music, the whole soundtrack, was phenominal.
I did not like the star child. Why? Because he was not a good dude. He was that child that you saw in the begining, and lets be honest, if this were a benevolent being he wouldnt be haunting your dreams as that child. He just wouldnt take that form. When, in any videogame/tv show has a creepyghost child been good? NEVER!
With this in mind....he gives you three options. I seriously doubt, if he is in cahoots with the reapers, he would actually let you end the cycle and everything that spewed from his pint sized demon child mouth was a lie. This could have been awesome if bioware went more into this, explained it more. But it left me feeling stale, like the reapers were never defeated. And yea, war sucks. But I will be blunt. I dont want to invest in these videogames if they dont give me a sense of accomplishment. Why the hell would I play them just to see real life. I'll turn on the news. Video games are to provide an escape. Not asking for sunshine, I am asking for closure.
The decisions themselves were great. Varied, with the potential for completely different outcomes for the near and distant future. But rather than utilize this, we get 3 almost identical endings with no sense of how it affects the universe. I also do not like how they bring past choices into some sort of finale dialogue, like they did in dragonage. Simple. But gave me closure and wanted me to replay the game. I wasnted to see what would happen if I chose A instead of B. In ME3, I dont feel the need to replay. My paragon will have the same exact outcome as my renegae, different color explosion.
The scenery is great and it gives you a real understanding at the sheer scale of the war. I mean...c'mon....you have EVERY SPECIE cooperating.
The Normandy thing....seemed off. They were running from the Mass Relay explosion, which apparently only affected the Normandy and not the thousands of other ships in the vicinity? How did the crew members we took to the final mission get to the Normandy? I thought they would have died on their way to the beam (radio chatter DID say no one made it) So that totally didn't make sense.
Now...when the crew comes out of the Normandy....I *DO* like the smile. The "its over" smile. I don't like how they are stranded. With Mass relays down, and what the epilogue implies, they are stuck there. How big is the crew of the normandy? I dont think a viable population could be drawn from this.
Going to end this before it becomes more of a tldr and carpal tunnel sets in.
TLDR:
Thank you for pointing out the good points in the ending. Though I am upset about the factors that upset me, there were good aspects bioware could have played up to satisfy I think a majority of the whole discontent crowd.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 01:47
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Dragoonlordz wrote...
If something makes you feel good and you gain enjoyment from it (as a feeling), that is all there is to it and that is your answer in principle. I enjoyed the ending, it felt good to me and I do not feel the need to over analyse it myself in sense of knowing every single thing is wrapped up or explained to me.
It made me smile at some points, slight sorrow at others. It was a good ending because it made me feel happy and sorrowful for many reasons. I loved it. So thanks Bioware.
Thank you for writing this. You get across so well the important part of this whole thing: whether it's a game, or a book, or a movie, or whatever, what matters is that you enjoy it. I finished the game after 40 hours of laughter and sadness (and wishing Brutes and Banshees would just stop it with the being so difficult to beat and everything) and felt satisfied. The ending capped off the series wonderfully (for me, at least).
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 01:57
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Does anyone notice the only thing that matter about the endings? And the thing that made obvious that bioware was alredy planned a post ending? To give some answers? The thing that connect all the story lines? Yes, im sure of this and yes, i know is only an opinion. The normady. Whay the normandy, in the end, was not in the middle of the battle, but in space, using one of the star gates? What happen? Take it easy and waith. A dlc is on the way.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 02:06
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Egonne wrote...
Yes there has always been plot holes. But not on the level of nonsense:
Exactly: not an awful idea for the ending, but /very/ poorly executed.
In fact, I felt the entirity of ME3 felt a little disconnected and rushed in terms of resolutions and storylines.
I didn't hate the ending, I was left feeling... well, not much at all... after how many years? Indifference is what I get?
I'm going to play through thae game again and see how I feel, I hope it's at least something...
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 02:12
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Dragoonlordz wrote...
If something makes you feel good and you gain enjoyment from it (as a feeling), that is all there is to it and that is your answer in principle. I enjoyed the ending, it felt good to me and I do not feel the need to over analyse it myself in sense of knowing every single thing is wrapped up or explained to me.
It made me smile at some points, slight sorrow at others. It was a good ending because it made me feel happy and sorrowful for many reasons. I loved it. So thanks Bioware.
Yes, this is it. No more comments are neccessary
#209
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 02:16
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Maybe I'm just weird but the ending was nice (imho) and left universe/franchise extremely open to new stories/titles.
Eh... No?
It pretty much destroys Mass Effect universe :S
If the Relays blow up like in Arrival, no more conversation is needed as to why.
If they didn't, the franchise should -STOP- being called Mass Effect, because the actual mean of mass effect dies with the technology of the Relays, that are now destroyed.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 02:16
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I respect your opinion, and humbly disagree. Because I was forced into a colorful explosion, ditched by my pilot, and then left to watch Garrus exit the downed Normandy unharmed.
Normally I would be happy to have Garrus survive, and I was at first. Then I realized that he's on board with Tali, and Michel, who will convince him to have lusty xeno-sex now that Shep is dead T_T
The best part? She'll probably get a bird's eye view from heaven.
Normally I would be happy to have Garrus survive, and I was at first. Then I realized that he's on board with Tali, and Michel, who will convince him to have lusty xeno-sex now that Shep is dead T_T
The best part? She'll probably get a bird's eye view from heaven.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 02:22
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It's good to hear that you like it! While more members for the movement is good for us, it is also terrible *because* they didn't like it. I would give anything to love the ending, honestly, but I just can't. Too many things I can't ignore about it.
Still, don't let anyone put you down for enjoying it. Well, as long as you don't act like a jerk, I doubt anyone would do that. You don't look like that type from what I can tell, and I respect that.
Still, don't let anyone put you down for enjoying it. Well, as long as you don't act like a jerk, I doubt anyone would do that. You don't look like that type from what I can tell, and I respect that.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 02:25
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You're not the only one who enjoyed the endings. Thank you for having the courage to make this thread.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 02:28
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I would like this "closure" that is applied during the game to apply to the crewmembers closest to Shepard, like Garrus, Liara, Tali and so on (the "main" crew pretty much).
But the gameplay does not bring closure to them (since they need to stay with you untill the end obviously xD) and the end certainly does not, since the last scenes are not only ridden with plotholes but also lacking in logic of how characters would behave.
Happy you liked it, but the lack of closure is the main thing that makes me dissapointed in the ending. May you never start to dislike the ending, cause it's a major downer for someone who's played all the games to feel this way :/
But the gameplay does not bring closure to them (since they need to stay with you untill the end obviously xD) and the end certainly does not, since the last scenes are not only ridden with plotholes but also lacking in logic of how characters would behave.
Happy you liked it, but the lack of closure is the main thing that makes me dissapointed in the ending. May you never start to dislike the ending, cause it's a major downer for someone who's played all the games to feel this way :/
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 02:29
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Well, just hold onto those feelings and try not to think about the ending too much. When you start to do that it goes downhill.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:21
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I have to agree with OP, I enjoyed the journey from the beginning to the end.
By the way, I liked the ending in DE:HR as well.
By the way, I liked the ending in DE:HR as well.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 06:12
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The ending was terrible, it wasn't epic, it wasn't bitter sweet, it was flawed; seriously flawed in its ideas (organics = chaos yet within chaos there is order - chaos theory, that the creations always try to kill the creator if that were true why have the reapers not killed the citadel if the god child is the creator and explain the peace between geth and quarians). The idea that the synthesis ending would bring peace (just need to look at human nature to see why it would not and the idea that diversity is bad and peace can only be achieved by being all the same).
The fact that billions of people in galaxy had already been killed is not a bleak enough ending for people, earth-thessia-turian-elcor-hanar homeworld in ruins, or the loss of some of crew that helped in ME2 how dark how bleak does it have to get. I'm not bothered by the death of Shepard, hell you can die DA:O but you have a choice the lack of it is strange in a game built on choice.
If the mass relays explode like they did in ME2 it would have wiped out the galaxy (they explode like a super nova because of the massive amounts of energy they have - ME2).
I hated how the 2 companions who I took on the final mission (Liara and Garrus) are in the Normandy while I'm fighting and dying for them, they leave you in the final moments (Garrus says he's there till the end in the final talk so what the hell).
It is seriously flawed, good for you that you liked it but personally I can't see how.
The fact that billions of people in galaxy had already been killed is not a bleak enough ending for people, earth-thessia-turian-elcor-hanar homeworld in ruins, or the loss of some of crew that helped in ME2 how dark how bleak does it have to get. I'm not bothered by the death of Shepard, hell you can die DA:O but you have a choice the lack of it is strange in a game built on choice.
If the mass relays explode like they did in ME2 it would have wiped out the galaxy (they explode like a super nova because of the massive amounts of energy they have - ME2).
I hated how the 2 companions who I took on the final mission (Liara and Garrus) are in the Normandy while I'm fighting and dying for them, they leave you in the final moments (Garrus says he's there till the end in the final talk so what the hell).
It is seriously flawed, good for you that you liked it but personally I can't see how.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 06:55
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SaladinDheonqar wrote...
Good for you. What are your thoughts on the criticisms? Namely this gamefront article and this video by Angry Joe? Do you at least see why so many have a problem with it?
My thread is not to convince anyone to like it, the thread explains why I liked it. Why should I constantly have to defend my personal preference and subjective like for something others did not. Everyone who dislikes it in here falls into three catagory of responses so far in this thread, those who are respectful, reasonable and polite which are happy I liked it and wish could feel the same way, those who try to belittle my feelings on it by way of trying to find reasons why I should join them in disliking it which will accomplish nothing as my opinion will not change. The last group attack me for simple not having the same view as themselves, whether they do it to make themselves feel better or try to convince me I am wrong to like it all amounts to very little because in that situation I win by default (I am happy while they are depressed or angry).
What you may have wanted to see and experience in the ending is probably different to my desires and expectations.
I also answered your question on the original post in the thread, an answer that is clear but only if willing to listen/read and take onboard what I said at the start of the thread and this reply. I am not everyones personal genie in a bottle, I cannot solve all their problems. All I can do is say and state why I liked it. If someone does not feel the same way, have the same expectations or desires for the ending sequence I cannot change this.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 07:02
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obviously the hipster of bsn. Hating on the ending is to mainstream.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 07:03
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I agree OP, I thought the TIM scene was epic. They took the incredibly powerful saren scene and made it even better. Also, I agree that the scene with Anderson was beautiful.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 07:13
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Hey OP I got to give you credit for starting this thread. I truely am glad you liked it, I honeslty wish I did, but alas I do not. In truth you should not have to defend yourself, but if someone asks for your reasons or asks for "specifics" feel free to discuss it. If they come at you "aggressively" please ignore them, they are not worth the time.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 07:17
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Im glad you liked it, honestly am, happy you can sleep at night feeling good about this, because believe me when theres alot of people that are just awestruck by how bad it was. Just lost... i for one havent touched ToR or WoW in weeks, havent touched a single game, im just that blown away, and not in a good bitter sweet way, i just lost faith in all of this, How its possible to ruin such a perfect franchise in 10 minutes... really me3 was the best game i ever played... untill the end ruined it all, all of it, why would i ever replay the game if i know it ends like this, why did i bring the races together... i can go on forever but i wont.
Happy you found peace with it.
Happy you found peace with it.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 07:19
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I envy you OP.
Maybe I just really really hate plot holes, but the ending bugged the crud out of me.
Maybe I just really really hate plot holes, but the ending bugged the crud out of me.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 07:21
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nightshadeofvoid wrote...
Hey OP I got to give you credit for starting this thread. I truely am glad you liked it, I honeslty wish I did, but alas I do not. In truth you should not have to defend yourself, but if someone asks for your reasons or asks for "specifics" feel free to discuss it. If they come at you "aggressively" please ignore them, they are not worth the time.
If I start trying to answer everyones questions regarding the plot it will come across as actively trying to convince others to change their mind. I would prefer not to fill in the blanks or resolve their issues such as those with the ending but instead let Bioware know at least one person here loved the game and enjoyed the ending and let others know they are not alone if feel the same way. If anyone takes anything away from how I viewed it and explained my reasons why I liked it then it would be due to their own opinion changing of their own free will from reading why I liked it but not me trying to force such by pushing answers to questions that were never part of my issues or even put much thought into myself as it was not required for my enjoyment.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 07:23
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I am glad you enjoyed it, and i do feel a degree of jealousy. Im not saying that to be an a-hole or anything, i really am jealous.
Im sure part of the reason why i hate the ending to such an extreme degree is not only due to the issues that everyone else expands on, but in my cut scene it decides to blatantly ignore what the starkid says and have EDI walk off ship. This simply escalated an already bad bad situation into a truly disgusting one.
Im sure part of the reason why i hate the ending to such an extreme degree is not only due to the issues that everyone else expands on, but in my cut scene it decides to blatantly ignore what the starkid says and have EDI walk off ship. This simply escalated an already bad bad situation into a truly disgusting one.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 07:26
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I don't see how you can enjoy garbage meh.
