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[XxDarkTimexX]

After seeing this video i can't wait to see what bioware does with mass effect 3 or mass effect 4

[CronoDragoon]

skaye wrote...

What we get here is far better - an opportunity to have a powerful impact on the universe, and to make a kind of concluding judgement about the series' principle themes.

Note how none of these endings give you the judgment: I like diversity and people who differ from me.

[SpiritualOdyssey]

The point here isn't that the themes which underscore ME3's ending are bad. The point is, those themes are incongruous with the themes of the rest of the trilogy. The clash between the two, and the resulting dissonance, is what's upset so many people.

[shadey]

The Angry One wrote...

Shadey, you are a troll. I directly countered your assertion that everything is explained, and you ignored my answer.

So yes. With the reasons given here for "liking" the ending, I call troll.
You liked the nonsensicalness? You liked the fact that Commander Shepard is a coward? That Joker ran away? THAT EVERYTHING IN THE GALAXY WILL DIE?

Whatever.

well I actually went outside for an hour 

but anyway I'm not about to e-argue with someone over an ending, i obviously can't convince you that I and other people were satisified with it. Sure there were some unanswered questions but every game has that,

[DarkSpider88]

I am glad you liked it. However many of us disagree.

[skaye]

Meshaber wrote...

I used to love the ending. I really did. I had tears rolling down my face (literally) because of how beautiful it was. It was beyond anything I have ever seen in fiction.

Then I found out that I missed a few key lines and had completely misinterpreted it. Sucks to reexamine things.

Wow... now I'm intrigued. Which lines?

[ApplesauceBandit]

I loved it like being slapped in the face with a bag of dog feces.

[WhooMovingTarget]

 I can see it like you do man.

I really can.

But depsite ending the cycle of destruction the Reapers wrought, I personally think it isnt about what happens AFTER Shephard stops the Reapers 50,000 years or however many hundreds of years later for 'The Shepard' to become a legend.

Its about Shepard's Journay, and those that travel beside her/him.

We've been with these characters so, very, very long that we want to know what happens to them.

Say for instance, the Mass Effect Relays are destroyed in the 'Crucible Event'. What does Tali do? Garrus? Wrex? Liara? Ashley? Grunt? Kasumi? Zaeed? Joker? EDI?

Those are the ones who matter to us. 

We want to know what became of them and why?

Sure, show us them arriving on that far off planet.

But give us the reasons why the ones we took into battle are suddenly on the ship? And why is that ship accelerating out system?

This is why we dislike the endings as is.

It brings up far too many questions than the ending of a 'trilogy' is supposed to have.

[Tequila Man]

It's so hard to hold the line when people almost ask me to get out of line and Internet smack them.


Hold. line. Will. MUST!

[GreyhameBioware]

The endings themselves are not bad. The problem is the endings do not provide any form of closure, and it feels like it's an entirely different game with an entirely different character and an entirely different story.

I'd be fine with some of those endings being good (as good as most of the galaxy surviving a genocidal war against a superior force can be), some in the middle, and some that end much like they do now. In every one of these Shepard can die, not overly concerned. It's not about happy bunnies and sunshine, that's shows a lack of understanding of the problem.

Also, watch this.

 

Modifié par GreyhameBioware, 14 mars 2012 - 03:54 .

[The Angry One]

shadey wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Shadey, you are a troll. I directly countered your assertion that everything is explained, and you ignored my answer.

So yes. With the reasons given here for "liking" the ending, I call troll.
You liked the nonsensicalness? You liked the fact that Commander Shepard is a coward? That Joker ran away? THAT EVERYTHING IN THE GALAXY WILL DIE?

Whatever.

well I actually went outside for an hour 

but anyway I'm not about to e-argue with someone over an ending, i obviously can't convince you that I and other people were satisified with it. Sure there were some unanswered questions but every game has that,

Do me a favour and don't lie. You answered the post and deliberately omitted the second part.
And no, there are not some unanswered questions.

NOTHING is answered. The only thing that *is* answered (Reaper motivation) is the one thing that didn't need to be, and is the most insulting asinine explanation for their motives ever.

[Sentr0]

Meshaber wrote...

I used to love the ending. I really did.
I had tears rolling down my face (literally) because of how beautiful
it was. It was beyond anything I have ever seen in fiction.

Then I found out that I missed a few key lines and had completely misinterpreted it. Sucks to reexamine things.

i used to love endings too but then i got a me3 in the knee

Modifié par Sentr0, 14 mars 2012 - 03:55 .

[DirectorStormchaser1]

I loved the ending. It sent closure. It was what went on one's mind when the indoctrination process was happening. And, Shepherd will finally shattered. Which ended "The Shepherd Story". Since Mass Effect 1-3 was about Shepherd in the series. Thank you Bioware, I now love Bioware even more; no more Cinderella endings which I hate and loathe.

Modifié par DirectorStormchaser1, 14 mars 2012 - 03:54 .

[TSSR666]

I can respect that, and I think that was what they were going for.

But then again, I'm in the minority since I'm annoyed at the endings not for their intent, but their execution.

[jbkr123]

WhiteVV1ings wrote...

I respect your opinion.

However, I also respectfully disagree.

[hunt27]

skaye wrote...

I absolutely adored the ending to this game.

Each option gave a sense of finality, a real commitment to the science fiction that underpins the series: that the galaxy is locked in a cycle where organics and synthetics contend for supremacy. And this game lets me completely rewrite the future of that universe. 

The option I chose for my 'primary' playthrough (spoiler!) was the synergy (middle) route. Haunting, shaking, and with that great kicker after the credits.

What did people want? What were people expecting? A kind of "and then Shepard killed the reapers and everyone was okay and there was another sex scene with Liara rainbows butterflies medals Chewbacca roar end credits" sort of thing?

What we get here is far better - an opportunity to have a powerful impact on the universe, and to make a kind of concluding judgement about the series' principle themes.

I don't accept some of the arguments floating around, that the final choices didn't reflect the series' 'paragon/renegade' duality. We got given some very complex options, with massive iceburgs of unforeseen consequences in each one. What, did people want a drop-down menu, listing the effects?

I loved this series, but its not until these endings that Mass Effect is elevated to the status of powerful science fiction. I for one would be very upset if Bioware changed them even a jot. They're beautiful just as they are.

Anyway, this thread is just to congratulate Bioware - I've been following you guys since Baldur's Gate, and I can't wait to see what happens next - and to see if anybody else has a more positive response to the endings.

Watch this video to see why others are not satisfied with the ending: 

[skaye]

CronoDragoon wrote...

skaye wrote...

What we get here is far better - an opportunity to have a powerful impact on the universe, and to make a kind of concluding judgement about the series' principle themes.

Note how none of these endings give you the judgment: I like diversity and people who differ from me.

I think this is an interesting point - but I kind of prefer how the endings force a difficult decision on you. Artificial life is incompatible with organic life - now what? There really can't be an ending where you reprogram the Reapers to decide to be friendly and everyone goes for a beer, can there? 

[HenchxNarf]

So just because people like the game, they are automatically trolls?

I think the ones who are answering negatively are the trolls here, and you all should go get your own forums to complain in and leave this one to the real fans.

[Militarized]

Respect your opinion but you asked for mine.

My reaction =

[Foxtrotarmy]

Not a lot of us who are extremely dissatisfied with the endings are upset that people like them, or even in what they represent (except for some of the thematic non-consistencies), it's more the way they were executed. I got emotional when Shephard finally did what he came to do, I don't mind bittersweet or tragic, but what I did expect was some form of closure for those I left behind, or for the galaxy as a whole. I give BioWare huge props for getting me so emotionally involved in this series to the point where this affects me as so, and to those who enjoyed the endings as they are, more power to you, but for all they've given us with a 99.5% perfect story over three amazing games with some of the most amazing twists and revelations and relationships with fictional characters, I do believe the majority of people (including myself) were expecting some idea of finishing the fight, so to speak, not opening up the entire universe to speculation, inconsistency, out-of-character epilogues, and an overall cookie-cutter ending.

I wouldn't mind if the choices were the same as presented, but in a much more logical context. We're missing context the most I believe. We'd be willing to follow magic vent-boy if we had more exposure to what he represented before, and the endings are all fine and such if we just had more of a say in the matter than pressing a button in a final "pick-your-ending" style. We needed context and proper build-up for this kind of ending, instead it seemed to blindside us.

But for the record if you loved the endings or even liked them, more power to you, I have no issue with you.

[lasertank]

I respectful disagree

[Dridengx]

Sentr0 wrote...

Meshaber wrote...

I used to love the ending. I really did.
I had tears rolling down my face (literally) because of how beautiful
it was. It was beyond anything I have ever seen in fiction.

Then I found out that I missed a few key lines and had completely misinterpreted it. Sucks to reexamine things.

i used to love endings too but then i got a me3 in the knee

worst attempt at a bad joke I ever seen.

[Tequila Man]

DirectorStormchaser1 wrote...

I loved the ending. It sent closure. It was what went on one's mind when the indoctrination process was happening. And, Shepherd will finally shattered. Which ended "The Shepherd Story". Since Mass Effect 1-3 was about Shepherd in the series. Thank you Bioware, I now love Bioware even more; no more Cinderella endings which I hate and loathe.

HOW MANY TIMES....

WHY....

STRENGTH! Give me STRENGTH....


YOU... YOU.... NERFHERDER.


We don't want Cindarella endings. WE WANT ONES THAT MAKE SENSE AND RESPECT US AS CUSTOMERS AND ADULTS.

[GreyhameBioware]

skaye wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

skaye wrote...

What we get here is far better - an opportunity to have a powerful impact on the universe, and to make a kind of concluding judgement about the series' principle themes.

Note how none of these endings give you the judgment: I like diversity and people who differ from me.

I think this is an interesting point - but I kind of prefer how the endings force a difficult decision on you. Artificial life is incompatible with organic life - now what? There really can't be an ending where you reprogram the Reapers to decide to be friendly and everyone goes for a beer, can there? 

...You really don't understand the problem people have.

[jbkr123]

WhooMovingTarget wrote...

 I can see it like you do man.

I really can.

But depsite ending the cycle of destruction the Reapers wrought, I personally think it isnt about what happens AFTER Shephard stops the Reapers 50,000 years or however many hundreds of years later for 'The Shepard' to become a legend.

Its about Shepard's Journay, and those that travel beside her/him.

We've been with these characters so, very, very long that we want to know what happens to them.

Say for instance, the Mass Effect Relays are destroyed in the 'Crucible Event'. What does Tali do? Garrus? Wrex? Liara? Ashley? Grunt? Kasumi? Zaeed? Joker? EDI?

Those are the ones who matter to us. 

We want to know what became of them and why?

Sure, show us them arriving on that far off planet.

But give us the reasons why the ones we took into battle are suddenly on the ship? And why is that ship accelerating out system?

This is why we dislike the endings as is.

It brings up far too many questions than the ending of a 'trilogy' is supposed to have.