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[jspiess]

As I have said before, I would be fine with the current endings IF: fit with ME pre-established lore, was not filled with plot holes, gave me closure, did not randomly wreck Normandy, and my choices mattered.

[Dridengx]

shadey wrote...

prepare for a heap of people calling you a troll

I liked it, though alot of people can't accept the fact other people were satisfied with the way it ended

I noticed those who complain seem to have less registered games. It would seem more fitting to call the whiners the trolls

[XyleJKH]

Lament's terms... Lack of choice, no closure, God child's logic Shep (mine anyway), would never accept

[Kloborgg711]

DirectorStormchaser1 wrote...
 Thank you Bioware, I now love Bioware even more; no more Cinderella endings which I hate and loathe.

No one is asking for a forced "Cinderella ending" (though I don't recall trillions of innocents dying in Cinderella), they're asking for the option for one. You seem to genuinely gain satisfaction from the fact that others are forced to get what you want. Strange.

[The Angry One]

Tequila Man wrote...

DirectorStormchaser1 wrote...

I loved the ending. It sent closure. It was what went on one's mind when the indoctrination process was happening. And, Shepherd will finally shattered. Which ended "The Shepherd Story". Since Mass Effect 1-3 was about Shepherd in the series. Thank you Bioware, I now love Bioware even more; no more Cinderella endings which I hate and loathe.

HOW MANY TIMES....

WHY....

STRENGTH! Give me STRENGTH....


YOU... YOU.... NERFHERDER.


We don't want Cindarella endings. WE WANT ONES THAT MAKE SENSE AND RESPECT US AS CUSTOMERS AND ADULTS.

Considering he seems to think Shep got indoctrinated and the Reapers won, I'm not sure if serious.

[Meshaber]

skaye wrote...

Meshaber wrote...

I used to love the ending. I really did. I had tears rolling down my face (literally) because of how beautiful it was. It was beyond anything I have ever seen in fiction.

Then I found out that I missed a few key lines and had completely misinterpreted it. Sucks to reexamine things.

Wow... now I'm intrigued. Which lines?

The part where starchild explained that it was the catalyst. I thought it was...eh...this **** is abstract:

Familiar with the einsteinian god? The fundamental, impersonal order behind the universe? I thought Shepard sort of...gained an understanding of that. A revelation, by similar means (related to the cipher) as the crucible was built on by countless civilisations. Through the catalyst, and the Cipher, Shepard understood the cycle. The conversation with the starchild was just a visualisation, because Shepards experience, like the beacons in ME1, couldn't be translated unto the players. This was also why the starchild had (in part) the voices of Hale and Meer, as it was more of an aspect of Shepard than anything else. This wasn't even a rationalization or grasping at straws, it made perfect sense from the start...without those lines "It is my home...I am the catalyst".

More importantly, it was why he saw TIM and Andersson submit to the different endings, since they were both important avatars in their cycle, and their respective desires were familiar to the cycle. It was a fantastic ending.

The normandy thing still sucked though, and still no closure, but that was so small in comparison.

I guess I'm lucky, this is still the ending I think about when I think about the ending. Sadly, it very obviously was not intended.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

skaye wrote...

Artificial life is incompatible with organic life - now what? There really can't be an ending where you reprogram the Reapers to decide to be friendly and everyone goes for a beer, can there? 

How about tell him he's wrong because artificial life is proven in ME3 to be able to coexist with organic. Geth/quarians? EDI/Joker?

[Unit-Alpha]

It's time for you to say "I should go" and get out of here before the entire forum crashes down around you.

[Kloborgg711]

Dridengx wrote...

shadey wrote...

prepare for a heap of people calling you a troll

I liked it, though alot of people can't accept the fact other people were satisfied with the way it ended

I noticed those who complain seem to have less registered games. It would seem more fitting to call the whiners the trolls

I have the CE of every Mass Effect game. Oh, but I don't have Dragon Age anymore, so clearly I'm a troll. 
herp.

[Darklink2009]

skaye wrote...

I absolutely adored the ending to this game.

Each option gave a sense of finality, a real commitment to the science fiction that underpins the series: that the galaxy is locked in a cycle where organics and synthetics contend for supremacy. And this game lets me completely rewrite the future of that universe. 

The option I chose for my 'primary' playthrough (spoiler!) was the synergy (middle) route. Haunting, shaking, and with that great kicker after the credits.

What did people want? What were people expecting? A kind of "and then Shepard killed the reapers and everyone was okay and there was another sex scene with Liara rainbows butterflies medals Chewbacca roar end credits" sort of thing?

What we get here is far better - an opportunity to have a powerful impact on the universe, and to make a kind of concluding judgement about the series' principle themes.

I don't accept some of the arguments floating around, that the final choices didn't reflect the series' 'paragon/renegade' duality. We got given some very complex options, with massive iceburgs of unforeseen consequences in each one. What, did people want a drop-down menu, listing the effects?

I loved this series, but its not until these endings that Mass Effect is elevated to the status of powerful science fiction. I for one would be very upset if Bioware changed them even a jot. They're beautiful just as they are.

Anyway, this thread is just to congratulate Bioware - I've been following you guys since Baldur's Gate, and I can't wait to see what happens next - and to see if anybody else has a more positive response to the endings.

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[Sentr0]

Dridengx wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

Meshaber wrote...

I used to love the ending. I really did.
I had tears rolling down my face (literally) because of how beautiful
it was. It was beyond anything I have ever seen in fiction.

Then I found out that I missed a few key lines and had completely misinterpreted it. Sucks to reexamine things.

i used to love endings too but then i got a me3 in the knee

worst attempt at a bad joke I ever seen.

sry couldnt resist

Modifié par Sentr0, 14 mars 2012 - 03:59 .

[rvgifford]

skaye wrote...
What did people want? What were people expecting? A kind of "and then Shepard killed the reapers and everyone was okay and there was another sex scene with Liara rainbows butterflies medals Chewbacca roar end credits" sort of thing?

Your answers are here: 
http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/ 

And I staunchly disagree, but I'm glad you didn't have to experience the anguish the majority of us have.

[balance5050]

OP is indoctrinated... these "the ending was great" threads always die just as fast as they appear.

[Kloborgg711]

HenchxNarf wrote...

So just because people like the game, they are automatically trolls?

I think the ones who are answering negatively are the trolls here, and you all should go get your own forums to complain in and leave this one to the real fans.

No. You're a troll when you force a strawman on the entire community, and don't even bother looking into the actual arguments presented.

[Aurawolf]

I am "ok' with the ending just they said there was going to be more then one ending in different christmas colors.

[skaye]

WhooMovingTarget wrote...

 I can see it like you do man.

I really can.

But depsite ending the cycle of destruction the Reapers wrought, I personally think it isnt about what happens AFTER Shephard stops the Reapers 50,000 years or however many hundreds of years later for 'The Shepard' to become a legend.

Its about Shepard's Journay, and those that travel beside her/him.

We've been with these characters so, very, very long that we want to know what happens to them.

Say for instance, the Mass Effect Relays are destroyed in the 'Crucible Event'. What does Tali do? Garrus? Wrex? Liara? Ashley? Grunt? Kasumi? Zaeed? Joker? EDI?

Those are the ones who matter to us. 

We want to know what became of them and why?

Sure, show us them arriving on that far off planet.

But give us the reasons why the ones we took into battle are suddenly on the ship? And why is that ship accelerating out system?

This is why we dislike the endings as is.

It brings up far too many questions than the ending of a 'trilogy' is supposed to have.

I agree that the character interactions are really central to Mass Effect. But I was really moved and satisfied with the final interactions before the very final mission - getting a pep-talk and a last joke with Garrus, knowing that Javik was finishing a milennia-long story of his own, mind-melding with Liara...

The problem here is that we're in love with this world, and we're in love with the characters and the adventure. My theory is that people won't be happy with any ending. Bioware were actually clever to shift the timescale, and make our adventures sit as a kind of mythical moment in the history of the galaxy. No novel, film or game has ever tied off every loose end!

[XyleJKH]

Dridengx wrote...

shadey wrote...

prepare for a heap of people calling you a troll

I liked it, though alot of people can't accept the fact other people were satisfied with the way it ended

I noticed those who complain seem to have less registered games. It would seem more fitting to call the whiners the trolls

Yes because owning two dragon age origins constitutes you nit a troll... I dislike dragon age... Hence why I only own one........
Good job at supporting BioWare though.

[turian_rage]

I used to like the ending, I did. I picked synthesis, and thus I didn't expect anything to be canon. I just wanted to see how it would end up. Then I saw the other 2 endings. They were pretty much identical and had no variance in them other than the color of the explosions. I don't care if it's sad or happy or whatever, I just wanted variety in the ending I chose.

[Kloborgg711]

DirectorStormchaser1 wrote...

 It sent closure.

You can have your own opinion, and you can like the ending, that's fine.
You can't say blatantly false things like this and expect people to go along. A game that doesn't tell you what happens to anyone doesn't send "closure". You pick a horrible ending, and you don't even get to see what happens.

[skaye]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

skaye wrote...

Artificial life is incompatible with organic life - now what? There really can't be an ending where you reprogram the Reapers to decide to be friendly and everyone goes for a beer, can there? 

How about tell him he's wrong because artificial life is proven in ME3 to be able to coexist with organic. Geth/quarians? EDI/Joker?

But I think the game's argument is that on a galactic timescale, it doesn't matter how cuddly EDI and the Geth become. There are fundamental existential differences between these forms of life, and the player is asked to resolve them!

[DarkBladeX98]

oh right you mean that synthetic v.s. organic problem that is sooo apparent throughout the games.

The only synthetics I saw legit killing were Geth, security drones, and the Reapers themselves.
Other than that, it was mercs or gangs or Cerberus I.E. Organic v.s. Organic.

If I wanted a game about robos vs humans I'd play Terminator Salvation.

[CronoDragoon]

skaye wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

skaye wrote...

What we get here is far better - an opportunity to have a powerful impact on the universe, and to make a kind of concluding judgement about the series' principle themes.

Note how none of these endings give you the judgment: I like diversity and people who differ from me.

I think this is an interesting point - but I kind of prefer how the endings force a difficult decision on you. Artificial life is incompatible with organic life - now what? There really can't be an ending where you reprogram the Reapers to decide to be friendly and everyone goes for a beer, can there? 

1. But the game has just shown you how artificials and organics can get along. So did ME2. The series' principle theme, to me seemed like "if organics and synthetics can come to understand one another they won't wipe each other out," then spent a lot of time with the geth and EDI showing this. 
2. Your last sentence sounds remarkably like the Control ending, actually, but in any case Reapers wipe out any type of advanced organic life that might be capable of producing synthetic life. This is also-anti-diversity because it stifles organic growth and the creation of new possibilities.

[GreyhameBioware]

skaye wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

skaye wrote...

Artificial life is incompatible with organic life - now what? There really can't be an ending where you reprogram the Reapers to decide to be friendly and everyone goes for a beer, can there? 

How about tell him he's wrong because artificial life is proven in ME3 to be able to coexist with organic. Geth/quarians? EDI/Joker?

But I think the game's argument is that on a galactic timescale, it doesn't matter how cuddly EDI and the Geth become. There are fundamental existential differences between these forms of life, and the player is asked to resolve them!

Why?  I already resolved them in my playthrough before I met the star child.  Why do I accept his word as fact despite having personal experience that show's he's wrong?

[skaye]

As a general point, do you think that maybe people are a little addicted to the idea of 'closure'? I'm guessing that maybe the people who don't like these endings are the same folks who didn't enjoy the Inception or Sopranos endings?

[theManic]

But I think the game's argument is that on a galactic timescale, it doesn't matter how cuddly EDI and the Geth become. There are fundamental existential differences between these forms of life, and the player is asked to resolve them!

What's the point of showing us that the geth and EDI can be "cuddly" and then whip right around and say, "Oh, but things usually don't work out like that, so let's kill 'em all"?