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[Meshaber]

DirectorStormchaser1 wrote...

Meshaber wrote...

First stage of grief: Denial.

It's okay bub, just let it out<3

Not denial.  Since it is obvious I am extremely happy.  And, I LOVE BIOWARE!!! SHEPHERD FINALLY INDOCTRINATED!!!! BIOWARE MARRY ME!!!!!!

Yeah. Okay. I had my suspicions.

But my trollometer just went off the charts. Dismissed.

[DirectorStormchaser1]

GuyWithFace wrote...

Because being hit by a laser beam that can destroy spaceships designed for combat somehow breaks the WILL of a man, but not his body entirely?

Because psychology courses teach you what happens when you get hit by a laser beam from an infinitely-old sentient synthetic bent on the genocide of all organic sentients every 50,000 years, or what being brought back to life with some technology from those same beings does to one's psyche?

If you're gonna troll, or at least try to offer a valid argument, please do so with some logic.

REAL LIFE get hit with a landmine or bomb, which can destroy tanks.  Mind and will shattered, but not the body.  It is called PTSD Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.  So it is a very valid argument.

Modifié par DirectorStormchaser1, 14 mars 2012 - 06:07 .

[Asnine112]

DirectorStormchaser1 wrote...

GuyWithFace wrote...

Because being hit by a laser beam that can destroy spaceships designed for combat somehow breaks the WILL of a man, but not his body entirely?

Because psychology courses teach you what happens when you get hit by a laser beam from an infinitely-old sentient synthetic bent on the genocide of all organic sentients every 50,000 years, or what being brought back to life with some technology from those same beings does to one's psyche?

If you're gonna troll, or at least try to offer a valid argument, please do so with some logic.

REAL LIFE get hit with a landmine or bomb, which can destroy tanks.  Mind and will shattered, but not the body.  It is called PTSD Post Traumatic Syndrome.  So it is a very valid argument.

No, it's called losing a limb.

PTSD sets in afterwards.

[Wowlock]

I will say this once...then I won't bother to reply anyone that don't understand why we are upset. There are thousands of posts explaining why people are upset and you keep ingoring the fact and call us whining.... That is just an ignorant outlook and won't be well recieved , especially with a case this delicate.

The endings were fine FOR ANY OTHER SERIES...but there was nothing Mass Effect about it. I would expect this kind of ending from Dragon Age 3 or something but not from Mass Effect.

People want their OWN choices and not the 3 different color of the SAME ending. There is no sense of closure... no indication that the series are ended and what you did means absolutely nothing... you can't see how you effected anything, what the hell happened to the galaxy.

This is not some TV series or a Book where the writer can leave the ending as open as he wants. This is a product, a game where the reins were given to the player to conclude their OWN story within the boundaries of the game's themes. If you say this endings make any sense and keeps you imagining...then this is NOT an ending...which we were promised over and over before the release. And the game as a conclusion for the series... cannot have the luxury of ''leaving the ending open , let the players figure things out ! ''

If I had to ''ımagine'' the ending and epilogue.. I wouldn't buy the game in the first place. This is nothing more than a cheap attempt at creating some ''dark art '' and try to end the series with a smug sense of being '' artistic''. This was never the point of the series and Endings defy EVERYTHING that defines Mass Effect.

As I said, these endings would've worked ( although quite poorly ) for anyother game...but for Mass Effect.... it is just ridiculous non-sense.

[DirectorStormchaser1]

KingyyyizME wrote...

I do not understand how anyone can say the ending was a fit one for this game series. The plot holes alone sank the entire journey. God Child? Joker fleeing through a relay during a battle with your squad-mates who were with you just minutes ago for no apparent reason. Being able to breathe in space without a suit? In the case of destroy with shep living, falling from space and surviving an impact, let alone burning up during reentry? It makes nooo sense, at all. This series prided itself on believable sci-fi, and now, we just accept green space magic?

Any gamer, any lover of stories, would be appalled with the above things.

Plus, we get no epilogue, or any sort of closure into characters we had invested in for over five years. O, but yeah, the ending was fine.......

As I stated earlier, those are not plotholes.  The God-Child as Legion stated "I appear to you in a pleasant form."  Harbinger would not have easily manipulated Shepherd in his voice or form.   That God-Child Comntrols Reapers.  Mass Effect 2 it was Harbinger that awakened the Reapers.  Harbinger controls the Reapers.

Joker fleeing was the dream which Shepherd had while being Indoctrinated.

Shepherd breathing in vacuum of space Shepherd being Indoctrinated. 

Look at where Shepherd fell.  Same place where Harbinger hit him with beam. 

Indoctrination is the only sense if you paid close attention to all 3 games.

And, you had all the closure you needed.

Geth/Querian Peace.  Querian Homeworld reclaimed.  In a few years Querian will no longer need environmental suits.

Ashley a SPECTER.

Genophage Cured. 

Krogan/Turian Peace

What more closure do you need???

Bioware did an excellent job on closure.  Especially the one everyone was asking.

What was going on in one's mind during Indoctrination???? 

I am quite happy with Mass Effect 3.

[Asnine112]

DirectorStormchaser1 wrote...

KingyyyizME wrote...

I do not understand how anyone can say the ending was a fit one for this game series. The plot holes alone sank the entire journey. God Child? Joker fleeing through a relay during a battle with your squad-mates who were with you just minutes ago for no apparent reason. Being able to breathe in space without a suit? In the case of destroy with shep living, falling from space and surviving an impact, let alone burning up during reentry? It makes nooo sense, at all. This series prided itself on believable sci-fi, and now, we just accept green space magic?

Any gamer, any lover of stories, would be appalled with the above things.

Plus, we get no epilogue, or any sort of closure into characters we had invested in for over five years. O, but yeah, the ending was fine.......

As I stated earlier, those are not plotholes.  The God-Child as Legion stated "I appear to you in a pleasant form."  Harbinger would not have easily manipulated Shepherd in his voice or form.   That God-Child Comntrols Reapers.  Mass Effect 2 it was Harbinger that awakened the Reapers.  Harbinger controls the Reapers.

Joker fleeing was the dream which Shepherd had while being Indoctrinated.

Shepherd breathing in vacuum of space Shepherd being Indoctrinated. 

Look at where Shepherd fell.  Same place where Harbinger hit him with beam. 

Indoctrination is the only sense if you paid close attention to all 3 games.

And, you had all the closure you needed.

Geth/Querian Peace.  Querian Homeworld reclaimed.  In a few years Querian will no longer need environmental suits.

Ashley a SPECTER.

Genophage Cured. 

Krogan/Turian Peace

What more closure do you need???

Bioware did an excellent job on closure.  Especially the one everyone was asking.

What was going on in one's mind during Indoctrination???? 

I am quite happy with Mass Effect 3.

So everything you did didn;t actually matter because the Reapers won and will now proceed to harvest all the aforementioned races?

[General_Mayhem]

I'm going to take a minute and talk about the ending, mainly that I didn't hate it.
And before you scroll down and start telling me that I'm an idiot, give me a little space to explain.
I certainly didn't love the ending. How did crew mates that Shepard have with him get back on the Normandy? What is the Normandy doing shooting through space? Whats with Shepard waking up at the end? (I destroyed all synthetics). I had my fair share of questions, but I wasn't as upset as you guys and here's why.
First off, Mass Effect is a game, and it's subject to the inherent problems of gaming development. There isn't really way for them to tie together the thousands of toggelable decisions you've made over the past three games. It'd be great if they could craft each player a personalized ending, but its just unreasonable and I think anyone who takes a second and considers the logistics of the proposal will be forced to agree.
Secondly, there's the factor of Shepard's death. I see a lot of people who seem to be mad that there's no ending where Shepard lives, and saves everyone, and everything is happy and good. The fact of the matter is that Mass Effect is a series that operates around a few central themes, and one of the biggest ones is “there isn't victory without sacrifice.” Remember when you had to leave a team mate behind on Virmire? Or when you (maybe) bought soldiers to their deaths through the Omega Relay? Hell, just talk to Javik and he'll remind you about the hard stuff Shepard needs to gear up for, “there is no way to win this fight with your honor intact.” It seems like half the conversations in Mass Effect are people telling Shepard that he's going to have to make hard decisions, and whether you're a paragon or renegade Shepard always answers, “I know and I'll make them.”
That brings me to my final point. Mass Effect isn't my story, it isn't your story, and in some ways its not even Bioware's story. It's Commander Shepard's story. I know you grew attached to your Shepard and thought he was really great – but Bioware didn't make a game for you guys to play perfect Mary Sue's and save the world without paying any cost. The character isn't named “You.” He's named Shepard. He's a character that's willing to do whatever it takes to save the galaxy, sacrifice. He's fighting a war with what are quite literally the highest stakes possible; it's ridiculous to say, “my commander Shepard would never take ANY of those choices!” Because, well, first off those are the only three choices that Commander Shepard is presented with, and secondly, making the hard decisions and being able to sacrifice whatever he has too to save the galaxy is what makes Shepard a hero worth caring about.
And as for tying up the loose ends on what happens to characters and the galaxy you left behind? Man, do the thing that you've been doing since the first Mass Effect: fill in the gaps yourself. You guys are mad because you want it to be your story, well you can't simultaneously reject canon and demand that someone force feed it to you. Bioware led us by the hand for three epic, excellent games. If you're that pissed about the ending, maybe you've just forgotten how to get there yourself.

[DirectorStormchaser1]

Asnine112 wrote...

DirectorStormchaser1 wrote...

REAL LIFE get hit with a landmine or bomb, which can destroy tanks.  Mind and will shattered, but not the body.  It is called PTSD Post Traumatic Syndrome.  So it is a very valid argument.

No, it's called losing a limb.

PTSD sets in afterwards.

No not all the time.  Some of us which survive bomb attacks live.  I was A-431-0011 US NAVY. 

I can spend close to 90 hours straight and disect all the Mass Effect games and I understand the ending.  Bioware gave us what we wanted at the end of Mass Effect 1.   The chance to Indoctrinate Shepherd.

[balance5050]

 

[StonedMagician99]

skaye wrote...

I absolutely adored the ending to this game.

Each option gave a sense of finality, a real commitment to the science fiction that underpins the series: that the galaxy is locked in a cycle where organics and synthetics contend for supremacy. And this game lets me completely rewrite the future of that universe. 

The option I chose for my 'primary' playthrough (spoiler!) was the synergy (middle) route. Haunting, shaking, and with that great kicker after the credits.

What did people want? What were people expecting? A kind of "and then Shepard killed the reapers and everyone was okay and there was another sex scene with Liara rainbows butterflies medals Chewbacca roar end credits" sort of thing?

What we get here is far better - an opportunity to have a powerful impact on the universe, and to make a kind of concluding judgement about the series' principle themes.

I don't accept some of the arguments floating around, that the final choices didn't reflect the series' 'paragon/renegade' duality. We got given some very complex options, with massive iceburgs of unforeseen consequences in each one. What, did people want a drop-down menu, listing the effects?

I loved this series, but its not until these endings that Mass Effect is elevated to the status of powerful science fiction. I for one would be very upset if Bioware changed them even a jot. They're beautiful just as they are.

Anyway, this thread is just to congratulate Bioware - I've been following you guys since Baldur's Gate, and I can't wait to see what happens next - and to see if anybody else has a more positive response to the endings.

Though I don't completely agree, I too really liked the ending(s) of ME3. I thought they were beautifully done, and did provide a very good sense of closure. I know people who share this opinion are facing almost as much hatred as BioWare itself,but I stand by my opinion and BioWare's ending.

Modifié par StonedMagician99, 14 mars 2012 - 06:26 .

[Xandax]

Had there been some variety in what happened with the '3 endings' other than basically being the same.
Had there been different cut-scenes/outcomes.
Had there been some sort of epilogue where the state of the universe gets concluded.
Had my choices throughout the game affected it.

*Then* I would have liked the endings, perhaps even loved them.

As it stands - it's just Red/Green/Blue and one cut-scene (and a possible breathing armor) and then nothing. Even DA2s ending was more 'epic' than this.

Modifié par Xandax, 14 mars 2012 - 06:27 .

[Shock n Awe]

DirectorStormChaser, quick question.

How did Shepard survive re-entry through the damn atmosphere if he "fell" into the rubble, as opposed to waking up in the rubble?

[DirectorStormchaser1]

Asnine112 wrote...

So everything you did didn;t actually matter because the Reapers won and will now proceed to harvest all the aforementioned races?

Who said Reapers winning yet.  Shepherd got the ball rolling.  Mass Effect 4.  A new Legend and one which can win and finish the war. 

Remember how long Protheans fought the Reapers for????  Over 100 years.

Why less than a year.  Wars are not won in a year.  Would be a few years with heroes emerging like Real Life. 

Mass Effect 1-3 was Shepherd's Story.  And, I think Bioware stated that Multiple times.  Many are crying because they interpreted it the end of the Reapers.  When it is actually the end of Shepherd's Story.

[Dragoncurry]

The endings were awful, be it a game, movie or book. You don't know powerful science fiction if you thought this was it. It's better NOT to end it if you're going to botch the ending so hard. Case in point? Dune Series. It was perfectly fine unended until his son ruined nearly the entire series by that awful last book. Fortunately, the science fiction community brands Dune by Frank Herbert and the ending by his son. Here, we brand the game with Bioware...and the awful endings with Bioware.

Your opinion about it being powerful science fiction without any examples of powerful science ficton to compare it to is pretty poorly constructed.

[Tequila Man]

DirectorStormchaser1 wrote...


Who said Reapers winning yet.  Shepherd got the ball rolling.  Mass Effect 4.  A new Legend and one which can win and finish the war. 

Fanfiction.

[Asnine112]

DirectorStormchaser1 wrote...

Asnine112 wrote...

So everything you did didn;t actually matter because the Reapers won and will now proceed to harvest all the aforementioned races?

Who said Reapers winning yet.  Shepherd got the ball rolling.  Mass Effect 4.  A new Legend and one which can win and finish the war. 

Remember how long Protheans fought the Reapers for????  Over 100 years.

Why less than a year.  Wars are not won in a year.  Would be a few years with heroes emerging like Real Life. 

Mass Effect 1-3 was Shepherd's Story.  And, I think Bioware stated that Multiple times.  Many are crying because they interpreted it the end of the Reapers.  When it is actually the end of Shepherd's Story.

The Protheans were:

1) A single, unified civilization
2) Masters of the galaxy at the time
3) Much, much more advanced than the current state of galactic affairs


Also,

1) So who DOES open the Citadel for the Crucible? You know, so that the Reapers don't just wipe out the combined fleets / military capability of all the major races gathered at Earth?

Modifié par Asnine112, 14 mars 2012 - 06:32 .

[DirectorStormchaser1]

Shock n Awe wrote...

DirectorStormChaser, quick question.

How did Shepard survive re-entry through the damn atmosphere if he "fell" into the rubble, as opposed to waking up in the rubble?

Remember Mass Effect 1 Eden Prime.

Eden Prime Survivor stated "The signal emitted bore straight into the head."  That was indoctrination.

Arrival DLC When he heard Reaper Artifact.  And, Shepherd stated "Any Reaper Tech can lead to Indoctrination".  The Artifact bore into Shepherd's mind and showed Reaper Fleet coming.

Remember Reapers can indoctrinate on the ground.  So it was a dream of everything blowing up, to make Commander Shepherd feel better on the choice they made. 

[Arthorius]

Thanks for the good laugh OP.

Wait, you're serious?

[balance5050]

Asnine112 wrote...

DirectorStormchaser1 wrote...

Asnine112 wrote...

So everything you did didn;t actually matter because the Reapers won and will now proceed to harvest all the aforementioned races?

Who said Reapers winning yet.  Shepherd got the ball rolling.  Mass Effect 4.  A new Legend and one which can win and finish the war. 

Remember how long Protheans fought the Reapers for????  Over 100 years.

Why less than a year.  Wars are not won in a year.  Would be a few years with heroes emerging like Real Life. 

Mass Effect 1-3 was Shepherd's Story.  And, I think Bioware stated that Multiple times.  Many are crying because they interpreted it the end of the Reapers.  When it is actually the end of Shepherd's Story.

The Protheans were:

1) A single, unified civilization
2) Masters of the galaxy at the time
3) Much, much more advanced than the current state of galactic affairs


Also,

1) So who DOES open the Citadel for the Crucible? You know, so that the Reapers don't just wipe out the combined fleets / military capability of all the major races gathered at Earth?

Basically nothing happens while youre knocked out, everything is still  there to do, but you will face a crazy TIM robot and the crew shows up at the right time to blast Harbinger, still don't know the true purpose of crucible.

[WarBaby2]

StonedMagician99 wrote...

Though I don't completely agree, I too really liked the ending(s) of ME3. I thought they were beautifully done, and did provide a very good sense of closure. I know people who share this opinion are facing almost as much hatred as BioWare itself,but I stand by my opinion and BioWare's ending.

Hatred? Who is hating anyone here? The only people that continue to talk about hatred are the ones that are activly defending this poorly cobbled together, lazy, incomprehansible remains of ONE of the original planned endings.

We feel betrayed, are frustrated and just don't understand... maybe we are not as intelligent... or sofisticated... or enlightened as the people that love the ending (however few there are left)... but we don't understand how the ending could be done this way. We think it does the series, BioWare and especially us disservice... after years of dedication (personal an financial) to a universe that we helped creating!

So stop talking about hate... and stop demanding of us to cease demanding what we deserve... we will not stand for it.

Peace!

Modifié par WarBaby2, 14 mars 2012 - 06:38 .

[HenchxNarf]

StonedMagician99 wrote...

skaye wrote...

I absolutely adored the ending to this game.

Each option gave a sense of finality, a real commitment to the science fiction that underpins the series: that the galaxy is locked in a cycle where organics and synthetics contend for supremacy. And this game lets me completely rewrite the future of that universe. 

The option I chose for my 'primary' playthrough (spoiler!) was the synergy (middle) route. Haunting, shaking, and with that great kicker after the credits.

What did people want? What were people expecting? A kind of "and then Shepard killed the reapers and everyone was okay and there was another sex scene with Liara rainbows butterflies medals Chewbacca roar end credits" sort of thing?

What we get here is far better - an opportunity to have a powerful impact on the universe, and to make a kind of concluding judgement about the series' principle themes.

I don't accept some of the arguments floating around, that the final choices didn't reflect the series' 'paragon/renegade' duality. We got given some very complex options, with massive iceburgs of unforeseen consequences in each one. What, did people want a drop-down menu, listing the effects?

I loved this series, but its not until these endings that Mass Effect is elevated to the status of powerful science fiction. I for one would be very upset if Bioware changed them even a jot. They're beautiful just as they are.

Anyway, this thread is just to congratulate Bioware - I've been following you guys since Baldur's Gate, and I can't wait to see what happens next - and to see if anybody else has a more positive response to the endings.

Though I don't completely agree, I too really liked the ending(s) of ME3. I thought they were beautifully done, and did provide a very good sense of closure. I know people who share this opinion are facing almost as much hatred as BioWare itself,but I stand by my opinion and BioWare's ending.

"HOLD THE LINE" God, I had problems even typing that.

[pharsti]

Ill come over here and congratulate BW when you can explain to me what just happened with the Normandy and my teleporting squadmates.... because other than that, ill agree that the endings were actually really good (well, the control ending felt meh).

I dont agree with the controversy about your choices not mattering, we all get to the same point, the only difference is how and who we are by that time and im fine with it.

But unless you can come up with a reason why the Normandy was doing something so nonsensical (running from an "explosion") with my squadmates there then this is as rainbow and ponies as ive ever seen! Theyre supposed to have been vaporized by Harbinger... or at least be on earth, not magically flying off into a tropical planet without me!


Seriously, explain just that and ill put this down as one of the best endings ive seen.

[Asnine112]

balance5050 wrote...

Asnine112 wrote...

DirectorStormchaser1 wrote...

Asnine112 wrote...

So everything you did didn;t actually matter because the Reapers won and will now proceed to harvest all the aforementioned races?

Who said Reapers winning yet.  Shepherd got the ball rolling.  Mass Effect 4.  A new Legend and one which can win and finish the war. 

Remember how long Protheans fought the Reapers for????  Over 100 years.

Why less than a year.  Wars are not won in a year.  Would be a few years with heroes emerging like Real Life. 

Mass Effect 1-3 was Shepherd's Story.  And, I think Bioware stated that Multiple times.  Many are crying because they interpreted it the end of the Reapers.  When it is actually the end of Shepherd's Story.

The Protheans were:

1) A single, unified civilization
2) Masters of the galaxy at the time
3) Much, much more advanced than the current state of galactic affairs


Also,

1) So who DOES open the Citadel for the Crucible? You know, so that the Reapers don't just wipe out the combined fleets / military capability of all the major races gathered at Earth?

Basically nothing happens while youre knocked out, everything is still  there to do, but you will face a crazy TIM robot and the crew shows up at the right time to blast Harbinger, still don't know the true purpose of crucible.

So basically the protagonist of ME4 is that British dude (or someone else in Hammer)?

[DirectorStormchaser1]

Asnine112 wrote...

The Protheans were:

1) A single, unified civilization
2) Masters of the galaxy at the time
3) Much, much more advanced than the current state of galactic affairs


Also,

1) So who DOES open the Citadel for the Crucible? You know, so that the Reapers don't just wipe out the combined fleets / military capability of all the major races gathered at Earth?

Except Protheans were on their own.  The Protheans did not unify the galaxy at all.  They were in there self deluted Empire.  And, did not drag the Galaxy into the war.

You can be the most advanced, but if the advanced culture like Rome become Self Deluted they crumble by a much lethal and larger force which would be Barbarians.

If it was indoctrination as the dream Shepherd had of Normandy.  Was more than likely the fleet turning tail and retreating to figure a new way to get Crucible connected onto the Citadel.  They heard Shepherd and Anderson went done in final fight anyone smart enough would have retreated and regrouped to fight another day.   Admiral Hackett would never sacrifice all the ships for an unwinnable situation.  If you remember all the Admiral Hackett missions in Mass Effect 1 he gave missions which he knew Shepherd could do.  But, in Mass Effect 3 he was uncertain and doubting Shepherd could win this war.

This is the start of a war which Reaper Wars last 100-150 years, according to Protheans. 

[Chibi Elemental]

Adored, no, mind, on the fence. What they need to make most of this hate to go away was add in closer of this is how this choice effected everything afterwords, sure we get the kid and gramps talking it up about how shep was a legend but... That is not really enough how did the races of the galaxy respond did they all die off? Was all our work really fruitless? or did we succeed and though we lost the relays those races climbed back out of the abyss with their own technologies? That is what we don't know and that iss the closer we needed in this game.