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[PiEman]

[quote]loungeshep wrote...

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[quote]CerberusSoldier wrote...

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[quote]Soverign 666 wrote...

Ok I just finished the games the endings werent great but no where near as bad as i expected reading reaction here? Maybe were overreacting a little bit because its something were so passionate about?[/quote]

Yes.

Legal action is as crazy as its gotten so far.

So. Far.

[/quote]  

Really?






No its not crazy . If a company advertises a game and claims that players choices will matter . When the game comes out and it does take player choice serious or it does not matter . Then yeah there might be a legal issue there . and they have made statements saying oh we won't being doing any lost style endings for the end of this game . yeah I can see a case being made

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really?

.....REALLY?

OMG if people think they should take legal action over a video game ending then it's time to either get your priorities straight,or seek help, or something.


Cuz that is just....wow.


I miss the rational people who were unhappy with the ending.
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I disagree if they did say one thing in thelead up to this game being released and said it was going to be in the game or they would not have a Lost style ending . Then yeah there may be a case of false advertising . EA runs a business and a business has to be honest with  what a product includes. Games are products .

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I'm sorry but no, a fan saying their going to take legal action because that one fan didn't get the ending his obese hide wanted is entitlement.

There's a difference between taking polls and making petitions and even politely and civilly emailing Bioware, and taking legal action.

And taking legal action lacks all kinds of common sense.
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No, it's literally thousands of fans (just on this site) claiming that Bioware lied about delivering someting they had previously advertised.

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I said 'A' as a way of making a point, I'm aware of there being more than one fan.

I see the problem, you 'people' are too literal.

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Did you even read the rest of my post?

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Obviously. But I will let you choose three responses. And those three responses all have three variations. 

And they all have the same outcome.

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But what about my decisions in the previous installments of this quote pyramid?

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Oh they matter.

The outcome is the same though.

[/quote]

Clearly they do not, sirrah, for they have not impacted the outcome in the slightest.

[EG NeoMorph]

FFS, please stop quoting the whole conversation... it's totally unreadable garbage now.

[Khavos]

Kanner wrote...

Oh gosh, it IS incredibly reminiscent of KOTOR2.

Bioware has turned into Obsidian. >.<

Better than turning into EA. 

[EG NeoMorph]

greengoron89 wrote...

EG NeoMorph wrote...

Casey Hudson obviously loves Stephen King... Anyone remember that quote in Alan Wake that says something about the most memorable endings are the ones that don't explain everything.

In my mind all they do is pee us off. This is Matrix Revolutions all over again as I have said several times now.

Ah, but see that's the problem: they did try to explain everything - they attempted to explain the existence and purpose of a force that was supposed to be beyond our comprehension and retconned the entire story up to that point, all within the last few minutes of the game.

They also failed spectacularly in doing so - and that's probably the biggest reason everyone is in such a furor.

No, the problem is that it was just gobbledygook of the umpteenth order that was at fault. As soon as it happened I had forgotten it and went "What? Eh?".

Also what the hell was with the dream sequences throughout the game... Made no sense whatsoever. As useful as a screen door on a submarine.

The endings were poor because they didn't make sense... That is all... end of line. The whole "killing everyone to save everyone" didn't make sense in the Vietnam war and it still doesn't make sense. I would have thought more if it had been a god who was experimenting with the universe... How about if we were a scientific experiment in a virtual world? How about if it was another race running simulations on how to fight the Reapers in their timeline and this was just a simulation gleaned from a time capsule that was left by... well, you know.

These would all have been good twists to the story... but the current ones are just too damned confusing.

What is also missing is a good epilogue that lets you know the fate of the rest of characters.

[Ronin1325]

I was one of the first ones out there (that I know of, not tooting any horns here) to ask that Bioware be held to their advertisements for the game. If what we got is all we're getting, there are too many public quotes & advertisements for it to not be false advertising-

http://social.biowar...3/index/9718306

I myself wasn't thinking in terms of legal action, maybe just naively wanting a company to issue a public apology out of a sense of responsibility. But when does *that* ever happen? :-/ Still, if Bioware/EA DOES have some super-secret 'Indoctrination' plot going and releases a free DLC for it, then I will be the first to gobble down a murder of crows.

[Syfoor]

Ronin1325 wrote...

I was one of the first ones out there (that I know of, not tooting any horns here) to ask that Bioware be held to their advertisements for the game. If what we got is all we're getting, there are too many public quotes & advertisements for it to not be false advertising-

http://social.biowar...3/index/9718306

I myself wasn't thinking in terms of legal action, maybe just naively wanting a company to issue a public apology out of a sense of responsibility. But when does *that* ever happen? :-/ Still, if Bioware/EA DOES have some super-secret 'Indoctrination' plot going and releases a free DLC for it, then I will be the first to gobble down a murder of crows.

THIS VERY MUCH. all this raging of the fans is alot about false advertisments. I mean every word they said about amount, causality and fans possible reaction is false. Also, one simple thing that would go a very long way, is just a sincere apology. I bet fans would understand, i would understand, after that, any outcome would be taken with alot more optimism. What they do is just blindly defend their broken mindset, which is possibly worst option in this time. Lastly, to all the haters that say we are whiners, ungrateful, trolls, that we, the fans, should get alot with it and got no rights to demand anything, i got you this: FANS GOT THEM TO WHERE THEY ARE NOW, a successful, profiting company. We have a right, because WE MADE THEM. tell me its not true.

[E-Type XR]

It will be remembered... as the worse ending of all time.

Not a good legacy, really

[OhManTFE]

gp.ulam wrote...

OhManTFE wrote...

I've been a long-time player of Bioware games since KotoR, but this is the first time I've posted on the forums. And I am posting because I was so insanely disappointed with the ending of ME3.

How do the writers who crafted such a masterpiece also manage to mangle it so badly in the last 15 min? I smell corporate bs...

The game is so good, and my emotional investment so deep, that I would actually be willing to pay for DLC just to fix the god damn ending. It's sad and unjust... but it is the truth, that's how desperate I am for a proper resolution to what should have been one of the best sci-fi ARPGs in recent history...

I believe posters like us are pretty common now; that's exactly why I joined, though I hadn't beaten it yet and I was really curious to visit the non-spoilers section of this forum to see what the big deal was. I think it's funny that the Bioware mantra of "Your choices matter!" only applied to ME2.

Meh, I don't even care that much that my choices didn't matter, they certainly didn't matter in ME2, you just chose between destroying or saving the collector base, your paragon/renegade didn't come into that, nor did any of your past decisions.

What I care about is how deus ex machinia the ending is, how nonsensical some of the Guardian/Star-Child/Catalyst/Reaper AI's arguments are and how depressing the ending was.

There should be a bad-ass Renegade ending, where you are like king of the galaxy or whatever, a Paragon lovey-dovey ending where you settle down with your LI, and a 'you ****ed up' ending where the Reapers win. Then with various other variations depending on your war assets and character deaths.

[Noelemahc]

OhManTFE wrote...

Meh, I don't even care that much that my choices didn't matter, they certainly didn't matter in ME2, you just chose between destroying or saving the collector base, your paragon/renegade didn't come into that, nor did any of your past decisions.

What I care about is how deus ex machinia the ending is, how nonsensical some of the Guardian/Star-Child/Catalyst/Reaper AI's arguments are and how depressing the ending was.

There should be a bad-ass Renegade ending, where you are like king of the galaxy or whatever, a Paragon lovey-dovey ending where you settle down with your LI, and a 'you ****ed up' ending where the Reapers win. Then with various other variations depending on your war assets and character deaths.

The ME2 ending works because it was designed from the ground up (and advertised) as THE MIDDLE of a trilogy. The idea about the Collector Base was that you're very clearly making an important decision about whether TIM gets the fattest potential anti-Reaper asset this side of the Klendagon Cannon in a lead-up to the Grand Finale That Will Resolve Everything that ME3 was going to be.

ME3 was advertised as (and therefore was supposed to be) the ENDING. The very definite, "not making more games about Shepard anymore" ending. That's what they promised. That's why everyone expected at the very least a Fallout-2-style resolution (or, if you're younger, a DAO-style one) that would tell you everything that your actions lead up to even if you don't get to see it yourself. While a cheap-ish move, it's not as cheap as "oh, and by the way, everyone died, the end" because you still see what your efforts resulted in.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 14 mars 2012 - 08:18 .

[jeweledleah]

wow...

there are many things that you did, in a name of fan service that don't sit well with me, at all, bioware, but that didn't kill my trust in you or love for the games. after all - you were just trying to please the fans. when you made Origin a requirement to play ME3, I still though - I don't like it, but I'll deal.

but this. this is the last straw.

this is one of those stands you maybe should have reconsidered. but what's done is done. I'm no longer part of your target audience. and my biggest regret is not waiting to play ME3, like I originally planned, allowing me to return the game for full refund.

at this point, bioware games are not even in my "bargain bin only" category anymore. fairwell, and thanks for all the fish.

[Lunatic LK47]

jeweledleah wrote...

wow...

there are many things that you did, in a name of fan service that don't sit well with me, at all, bioware, but that didn't kill my trust in you or love for the games. after all - you were just trying to please the fans. when you made Origin a requirement to play ME3, I still though - I don't like it, but I'll deal.

but this. this is the last straw.

this is one of those stands you maybe should have reconsidered. but what's done is done. I'm no longer part of your target audience. and my biggest regret is not waiting to play ME3, like I originally planned, allowing me to return the game for full refund.

at this point, bioware games are not even in my "bargain bin only" category anymore. fairwell, and thanks for all the fish.

Hope you have a Titanic-sized boat. You're not alone in this department. As I mentioned last week or so. ME3's my last game, and I'm never buying a BioWare game again.

[Graddod]

Ignorance only gets you so far..

[DarkPhoenixAsh]

Graddod wrote...

Ignorance only gets you so far..

This.  At some point someone needs to come out and say something.

[TripleLife]

E-Type XR wrote...

It will be remembered... as the worse ending of all time.

Not a good legacy, really

But ... But everyone will be talking about it for years!

[Dave of Canada]

I can Hackett wrote...

I hope these arent the kind of responses we can expect from Bioware he basically avoids the question

Like he's been doing for months? Surprise!

[Eadstompa]

[quote]PiEman wrote...

[quote]loungeshep wrote...

[quote]PiEman wrote...

[quote]loungeshep wrote...

[quote]PiEman wrote...

[quote]loungeshep wrote...

[quote]PiEman wrote...

[quote]loungeshep wrote...

[quote]CerberusSoldier wrote...

[quote]loungeshep wrote...

[quote]CerberusSoldier wrote...

[quote]loungeshep wrote...

[quote]Soverign 666 wrote...

Ok I just finished the games the endings werent great but no where near as bad as i expected reading reaction here? Maybe were overreacting a little bit because its something were so passionate about?[/quote]

Yes.

Legal action is as crazy as its gotten so far.

So. Far.

[/quote]  

Really?






No its not crazy . If a company advertises a game and claims that players choices will matter . When the game comes out and it does take player choice serious or it does not matter . Then yeah there might be a legal issue there . and they have made statements saying oh we won't being doing any lost style endings for the end of this game . yeah I can see a case being made

[/quote]

really?

.....REALLY?

OMG if people think they should take legal action over a video game ending then it's time to either get your priorities straight,or seek help, or something.


Cuz that is just....wow.


I miss the rational people who were unhappy with the ending.
[/quote]   



I disagree if they did say one thing in thelead up to this game being released and said it was going to be in the game or they would not have a Lost style ending . Then yeah there may be a case of false advertising . EA runs a business and a business has to be honest with  what a product includes. Games are products .

[/quote]

I'm sorry but no, a fan saying their going to take legal action because that one fan didn't get the ending his obese hide wanted is entitlement.

There's a difference between taking polls and making petitions and even politely and civilly emailing Bioware, and taking legal action.

And taking legal action lacks all kinds of common sense.
[/quote]

No, it's literally thousands of fans (just on this site) claiming that Bioware lied about delivering someting they had previously advertised.

[/quote]

I said 'A' as a way of making a point, I'm aware of there being more than one fan.

I see the problem, you 'people' are too literal.

[/quote]

Did you even read the rest of my post?

[/quote]

Obviously. But I will let you choose three responses. And those three responses all have three variations. 

And they all have the same outcome.

[/quote]

But what about my decisions in the previous installments of this quote pyramid?

[/quote]

Oh they matter.

The outcome is the same though.

[/quote]

Clearly they do not, sirrah, for they have not impacted the outcome in the slightest.

[/quote]
Yo dawg, I heard you like quotes...

[Dr. rotinaj]

Enough with the damn pyramids!

I didn't really expect a response from Casey, at least not right now. It's the typical Bioware marketing response that he's forced to give. I'm not upset over it but sooner or later something has to be done.

Also, "polarizing?" That's just pure gold. He's probably getting damage control advice from the DA team.

[Ronin1325]

Noelemahc wrote...

OhManTFE wrote...

Meh, I don't even care that much that my choices didn't matter, they certainly didn't matter in ME2, you just chose between destroying or saving the collector base, your paragon/renegade didn't come into that, nor did any of your past decisions.

What I care about is how deus ex machinia the ending is, how nonsensical some of the Guardian/Star-Child/Catalyst/Reaper AI's arguments are and how depressing the ending was.

There should be a bad-ass Renegade ending, where you are like king of the galaxy or whatever, a Paragon lovey-dovey ending where you settle down with your LI, and a 'you ****ed up' ending where the Reapers win. Then with various other variations depending on your war assets and character deaths.

The ME2 ending works because it was designed from the ground up (and advertised) as THE MIDDLE of a trilogy. The idea about the Collector Base was that you're very clearly making an important decision about whether TIM gets the fattest potential anti-Reaper asset this side of the Klendagon Cannon in a lead-up to the Grand Finale That Will Resolve Everything that ME3 was going to be.

ME3 was advertised as (and therefore was supposed to be) the ENDING. The very definite, "not making more games about Shepard anymore" ending. That's what they promised. That's why everyone expected at the very least a Fallout-2-style resolution (or, if you're younger, a DAO-style one) that would tell you everything that your actions lead up to even if you don't get to see it yourself. While a cheap-ish move, it's not as cheap as "oh, and by the way, everyone died, the end" because you still see what your efforts resulted in.

Ooooh. Fallout 2... I really appre-  no! I won't go off topic! I won't! I won't! 

[lordhugorune]

The lack of clear response over the ending is actually a good thing, because it leaves the option for improving it on the table. It needs to go in front of various boards for approval, and if that is in fact the case, they can't announce this publicly until it gets a tick, if indeed this will be the case.

They can't say "We're not happy with the ending, but it's under review whether we're going to improve it or not", even if in fact this is the case behind the scenes, because then if the funding gets denied, the excrement storm becomes twice as bad.

I would think the smart thing is to just hold back and see what develops.

[kalle90]

loungeshep wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

Soverign 666 wrote...

Ok I just finished the games the endings werent great but no where near as bad as i expected reading reaction here? Maybe were overreacting a little bit because its something were so passionate about?

Yes.

Legal action is as crazy as its gotten so far.

So. Far.

  

Really?






No its not crazy . If a company advertises a game and claims that players choices will matter . When the game comes out and it does take player choice serious or it does not matter . Then yeah there might be a legal issue there . and they have made statements saying oh we won't being doing any lost style endings for the end of this game . yeah I can see a case being made

really?

.....REALLY?

OMG if people think they should take legal action over a video game ending then it's time to either get your priorities straight,or seek help, or something.


Cuz that is just....wow.


I miss the rational people who were unhappy with the ending.

Case Everyone vs everyone - South Park

I dunno. I've played bad games before, and good games with bad bits, but I've never thought it should be turned into legal case. Ok it's bad, move on. Sell it and grab a new game or quit gaming altogether.

How about the fact Bioware said this game is approachable to newcomers. Yet people say they can't understand this game. Grounds for another case? 

[Reptilian Rob]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I can Hackett wrote...

I hope these arent the kind of responses we can expect from Bioware he basically avoids the question

Like he's been doing for months? Surprise!

Hudson lost his credibility many, many months ago.

[Dave of Canada]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Hudson lost his credibility many, many months ago.

Years if you've been following the ME series from the start.

[Grey34]

i just finish the game though i didn't hate the endings but i didn't like them ether i just wish they had happy ending option i found that was the only thing lacking just my first thoughts anyway