Great response from Casey. Very professional and mature. Not giving in to the negativity and yet still acknowledging that they look at fan feedback. I love how he avoids making a commitment at all. He lays out what their goal was (in terms of the ending being memorable etc.). This leaves him open to do what ever they decide with no pressure from making a promise.
I also think his response will make some gamers feel the same way a child feels when his / her parent ignore his tantrum. They will probably feel even more upset, proclaiming something like, "He missed the point!" "I want him to change the game for me not, just make a statement about their vision of the game etc!"
I say Bravo Casey.
(I can't wait for the DLC he teased.)
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#127
Posté 14 mars 2012 - 03:00
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Well, EA might be breathing down their necks now, looking at the stock market, they are down another 3% they were at 17.75 with the swtor fiasco, and its dropped again to currently 16.75-16.78, dobtful ME3 is the sole cause but its prolly not helping, shareholders are quacking it seems...
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Wise Men wrote...
Great response from Casey. Very professional and mature. Not giving in to the negativity and yet still acknowledging that they look at fan feedback. I love how he avoids making a commitment at all. He lays out what their goal was (in terms of the ending being memorable etc.). This leaves him open to do what ever they decide with no pressure from making a promise.
I also think his response will make some gamers feel the same way a child feels when his / her parent ignore his tantrum. They will probably feel even more upset, proclaiming something like, "He missed the point!" "I want him to change the game for me not, just make a statement about their vision of the game etc!"
I say Bravo Casey.
(I can't wait for the DLC he teased.)
Few people are asking for changes. More people are asking for answers.
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 03:04
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Standard denial that there's anything wrong response - same rubbish that we got from Mike Laidlaw when DA2 came out.
Bottom line is that Casey Hudson is going to go down in gaming history as producing one of the worst game endings of all time, and no amount of denial is going to change that.
Bottom line is that Casey Hudson is going to go down in gaming history as producing one of the worst game endings of all time, and no amount of denial is going to change that.
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gp.ulam wrote...
Wise Men wrote...
Great response from Casey. Very professional and mature. Not giving in to the negativity and yet still acknowledging that they look at fan feedback. I love how he avoids making a commitment at all. He lays out what their goal was (in terms of the ending being memorable etc.). This leaves him open to do what ever they decide with no pressure from making a promise.
I also think his response will make some gamers feel the same way a child feels when his / her parent ignore his tantrum. They will probably feel even more upset, proclaiming something like, "He missed the point!" "I want him to change the game for me not, just make a statement about their vision of the game etc!"
I say Bravo Casey.
(I can't wait for the DLC he teased.)
Few people are asking for changes. More people are asking for answers.
Well to be fair the assets don't matter in any capacity, the game is incomplete in that form because the developers and writers made very specific promises in interviews that discussed how the assets would play a major role and how the ending would go and so on. The assets are ignored which allows for the horrible ending. We basically lose every significant planet and somehow civilization is pretty much destroyed before even a year passes rather than the 100 years to eradicate a civilization that it took for the other cycles. A little continuity error there, especially after what EDI states in ME3.
So they do need to change the system so that assets do actually factor a role in defending planets and what not or at least the final mission though that would also just be continuity loss if they never mattered otherwise until then.
In any case, he lied and lying about making promises or ignoring those lies about those promises is just wrong.
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 03:11
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Yes the end is memorable.
In the same way the Titanic's maiden voyage was memorable.
The way Zidane's last football match was memorable.
The way the Hindenburg docking was memorable.
The way the Challenger shuttle launch was memorable.
We'll remember the ending to ME3 not because of epic tragedy, or incredible writing, revelation or as a fine ending to a fantastic series.
We'll remember it as an unmitigated disaster.
Well said.
Good job polarizing the fan base, Casey.
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 03:14
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I'm fine with their vision, I have not debated that. I am not fine with the silence displayed regarding the plethora of issues many people have voiced, as well as a moderator choosing to sticky a spoiler-laden post in a non-spoiler forum for no other reason than "just because" - is this really the mantra of Bioware, to boldly ignore where no other company (save Blizzard) has ignored before? I know that the lack of radio chatter isn't exactly a new tactic to employ in times of community duress, but simply directly addressing the issues everyone is having would save them so much face in the effort.
Then, again, the people that are complaining have already sunk tons of cash into the franchise, so Bioware and EA win at the end of the day regardless.
Then, again, the people that are complaining have already sunk tons of cash into the franchise, so Bioware and EA win at the end of the day regardless.
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 03:30
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I'm about 6/7 hours into ME3 this weekend and was absolutely loving it.
But I had the endings fiasco revealed to me inadvertently, and because I couldnt believe it I checked it out further. I was horrified.
Now I am simply struggling to work up the enthusiasm to even pick up the game again. I havent played in 3 days.
DLC, replayability, perfect runs, whats the point if the perfect ending (which we cant get on single player apparently) results in everyone we have known and cared about ends up extinct.
I didnt much like the open-ended nature of DA2's ending, but at least it was understandable.
But I had the endings fiasco revealed to me inadvertently, and because I couldnt believe it I checked it out further. I was horrified.
Now I am simply struggling to work up the enthusiasm to even pick up the game again. I havent played in 3 days.
DLC, replayability, perfect runs, whats the point if the perfect ending (which we cant get on single player apparently) results in everyone we have known and cared about ends up extinct.
I didnt much like the open-ended nature of DA2's ending, but at least it was understandable.
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 03:39
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lol i wouldnt apologize either, so what if you dont buy their games 2,900,000 other people will
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 03:40
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Look I repect the whole team for all the effort and achievements in what they've managed to create over 5 years.
But I would like Casey, Mac, and/or others to read this article on gamefront (do not click if you don't want to be spoiled!) and provide a counter argument if it is possible.
But I would like Casey, Mac, and/or others to read this article on gamefront (do not click if you don't want to be spoiled!) and provide a counter argument if it is possible.
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lol i wouldnt apologize either, so what if you dont buy their games 2,900,000 other people will
Not necessarily.
It's not really known how many people who aren't on these forums are actually disgusted or not with the endings.
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I completely understand why people are angry and the explanations for why they are angry has been thoroughly discussed, so I won't go into details about that here.
What annoys me the most is how so many people are willing to put up with bad/immoral decisions (by Bioware/EA/other people in society, as long as they are not about "really important" or "big issues" - aka this issue with a video game series "is no big deal".
There have been several people who don't seem to take it seriously when someone wants Bioware to change the ending to ME3, because "there are more important things in the world to focus on". They are the ones I seek to address with this post.
Firstly, I would like to say that it is perfectly possible to save the world while:
-washing your clothes when necessary
-carry out the garbage once in a while
-learning something new at school
-criticizing what you consider to be a bad ending/bad DLC-decision/whatever to a computer game series
Also, if you don't stand for anything you'll fall for anything. It is easier to stand for something ethical on a bigger scale if you equally stand for ethical things on a small scale. Therefore, as a habit, doing the small things in society right is equally important as doing the big things in society right.
You should start with yourself in any regards, whether it is a small or big change you want to implement in society. This means doing the right thing, even when no one is checking up on you - being able to do that with small issues will make it more likely for you to do the right thing in regards to bigger issues.
World peace does not start with you being hired by the United Nations; it starts by greeting your neighbor in the morning.
Making the world better means that you continuously should criticize constructively as many parts of society, big AND small, to make everything better - as a habit. Including voicing your opinions when you believe a game company is not
delivering what they promised, saying you are sorry for something you shouldn't have done or having a talk with your kid when he has been in a fight at school.
As any auto mechanic would tell you, the small cogs are as necessary as the bigger cogs, and they both need to be maintained to have a smooth running machine or, in our case, a smooth running society.
Don't you ever forget it.
Couldn't post there, unfortunately, but people may of course quote this post in this thread if it suits them:
http://social.biowar...index/9896862/1
Also:
http://social.biowar...index/9845819/1
What annoys me the most is how so many people are willing to put up with bad/immoral decisions (by Bioware/EA/other people in society, as long as they are not about "really important" or "big issues" - aka this issue with a video game series "is no big deal".
There have been several people who don't seem to take it seriously when someone wants Bioware to change the ending to ME3, because "there are more important things in the world to focus on". They are the ones I seek to address with this post.
Firstly, I would like to say that it is perfectly possible to save the world while:
-washing your clothes when necessary
-carry out the garbage once in a while
-learning something new at school
-criticizing what you consider to be a bad ending/bad DLC-decision/whatever to a computer game series
Also, if you don't stand for anything you'll fall for anything. It is easier to stand for something ethical on a bigger scale if you equally stand for ethical things on a small scale. Therefore, as a habit, doing the small things in society right is equally important as doing the big things in society right.
You should start with yourself in any regards, whether it is a small or big change you want to implement in society. This means doing the right thing, even when no one is checking up on you - being able to do that with small issues will make it more likely for you to do the right thing in regards to bigger issues.
World peace does not start with you being hired by the United Nations; it starts by greeting your neighbor in the morning.
Making the world better means that you continuously should criticize constructively as many parts of society, big AND small, to make everything better - as a habit. Including voicing your opinions when you believe a game company is not
delivering what they promised, saying you are sorry for something you shouldn't have done or having a talk with your kid when he has been in a fight at school.
As any auto mechanic would tell you, the small cogs are as necessary as the bigger cogs, and they both need to be maintained to have a smooth running machine or, in our case, a smooth running society.
Don't you ever forget it.
Couldn't post there, unfortunately, but people may of course quote this post in this thread if it suits them:
http://social.biowar...index/9896862/1
Also:
http://social.biowar...index/9845819/1
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#138
Posté 14 mars 2012 - 03:40
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Wise Men wrote...
Great response from Casey. Very professional and mature. Not giving in to the negativity and yet still acknowledging that they look at fan feedback. I love how he avoids making a commitment at all. He lays out what their goal was (in terms of the ending being memorable etc.). This leaves him open to do what ever they decide with no pressure from making a promise.
I also think his response will make some gamers feel the same way a child feels when his / her parent ignore his tantrum. They will probably feel even more upset, proclaiming something like, "He missed the point!" "I want him to change the game for me not, just make a statement about their vision of the game etc!"
I say Bravo Casey.
(I can't wait for the DLC he teased.)
this!
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Vasarkian wrote...
ognick23 wrote...
lol i wouldnt apologize either, so what if you dont buy their games 2,900,000 other people will
Not necessarily.
It's not really known how many people who aren't on these forums are actually disgusted or not with the endings.
like i said 2,900,000
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ognick23 wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
ognick23 wrote...
lol i wouldnt apologize either, so what if you dont buy their games 2,900,000 other people will
Not necessarily.
It's not really known how many people who aren't on these forums are actually disgusted or not with the endings.
like i said 2,900,000
Since it's not known you can't say that.
DA2 was having great sales but then after all the returns... they plummeted.
This didn't just reflect the forums response but the entirety of the community save for a small percentage.
Logic and precedent says the same thing will happen.
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 03:44
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My reaction to everything Casey says:
www.youtube.com/watch
www.youtube.com/watch
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 03:45
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I personally do subscribe to the "video games are an art more than a product" line of thought. In that regard, they aren't obliged to change their ending, any more than an author would be obliged to change the ending of his novel after bad fan reaction. Despite opinions to the contrary, Mass Effect is still very much Bioware's story.
If he wants to stick by his ending, then that's fine. Doesn't make the ending any less terrible, though.
If he wants to stick by his ending, then that's fine. Doesn't make the ending any less terrible, though.
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ognick23 wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
ognick23 wrote...
lol i wouldnt apologize either, so what if you dont buy their games 2,900,000 other people will
Not necessarily.
It's not really known how many people who aren't on these forums are actually disgusted or not with the endings.
like i said 2,900,000
Do you have a source for that number? I heard it was 3.5 million units shipped,1 million units purchased.
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kbct wrote...
ognick23 wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
ognick23 wrote...
lol i wouldnt apologize either, so what if you dont buy their games 2,900,000 other people will
Not necessarily.
It's not really known how many people who aren't on these forums are actually disgusted or not with the endings.
like i said 2,900,000
Do you have a source for that number? I heard it was 3.5 million units shipped,1 million units purchased.
I think more than 1 mil were purchased, BUT I do know that a lot of copies will be returned if this is the proper sentiment of people as in the case of DA2.
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Vasarkian wrote...
ognick23 wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
ognick23 wrote...
lol i wouldnt apologize either, so what if you dont buy their games 2,900,000 other people will
Not necessarily.
It's not really known how many people who aren't on these forums are actually disgusted or not with the endings.
like i said 2,900,000
Since it's not known you can't say that.
DA2 was having great sales but then after all the returns... they plummeted.
This didn't just reflect the forums response but the entirety of the community save for a small percentage.
Logic and precedent says the same thing will happen.
lol give it up bro its over stop comparing it to DA2 to find some hope that people are gonna return like 3 million copies and make Bioware apologize because this game is NOT DA2. Im sorry to tell you that
#146
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Vasarkian wrote...
kbct wrote...
ognick23 wrote...
like i said 2,900,000
Do you have a source for that number? I heard it was 3.5 million units shipped,1 million units purchased.
I think more than 1 mil were purchased, BUT I do know that a lot of copies will be returned if this is the proper sentiment of people as in the case of DA2.
Well, ME2 is getting equal or worse reviews than DA2 so maybe we can look DA2's final sales as an indicator.
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Vasarkian wrote...
kbct wrote...
ognick23 wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
ognick23 wrote...
lol i wouldnt apologize either, so what if you dont buy their games 2,900,000 other people will
Not necessarily.
It's not really known how many people who aren't on these forums are actually disgusted or not with the endings.
like i said 2,900,000
Do you have a source for that number? I heard it was 3.5 million units shipped,1 million units purchased.
I think more than 1 mil were purchased, BUT I do know that a lot of copies will be returned if this is the proper sentiment of people as in the case of DA2.
your right they are no official numbers overall but come on it sold nearly a million in one day in the US added to the fact that even the regular edition was sold out in most places plus it just hit over seas on friday. Do you really think it didnt at least hit 2.5 million worldwide? and i'll even take away $100,000 and pretend that many people returned it (even though once you open the game you dont get a full refund most places) you really think 2.4 million isnt good? no those arent COD numbers but you cant really compare ME3 to COD in terms of popularity
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#148
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ognick23 wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
kbct wrote...
ognick23 wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
ognick23 wrote...
lol i wouldnt apologize either, so what if you dont buy their games 2,900,000 other people will
Not necessarily.
It's not really known how many people who aren't on these forums are actually disgusted or not with the endings.
like i said 2,900,000
Do you have a source for that number? I heard it was 3.5 million units shipped,1 million units purchased.
I think more than 1 mil were purchased, BUT I do know that a lot of copies will be returned if this is the proper sentiment of people as in the case of DA2.
your right they are no official numbers overall but come on it sold nearly a million in one day in the US added to the fact that even the regular edition was sold out in most places plus it just hit over seas on friday. Do you really think it didnt at least hit 2.5 million worldwide? and i'll even take away $100,000 and pretend that many people returned it (even though once you open the game you dont get a full refund most places) you really think 2.4 million isnt good ?
Same thing happened with DA2, a small percentage defended it and the large percentage eventually overpowered them when the outcry became too loud to ignore. DA2 had issues of repetition and lack of any real attention to quality in most cases, ME3 has the issues of making you do something for 27+ hours that doesn't actually matter and is just replaced by a generic force and then throws you an ending that also ignores what you did throughout the entirety of the series.
The issues are staggeringly similar. Also, with the outcry against TOR and DA2, this being their third game that is ending poorly, the returns will be ridiculously high, and you can force full refunds if you directly call or return it quickly enough.
We'll know in a few weeks what the accurate sales charts for most methods of play are, but you'd be fooling yourself if you think people won't return it.
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ognick23 wrote...
your right they are no official numbers overall but come on it sold nearly a million in one day in the US added to the fact that even the regular edition was sold out in most places plus it just hit over seas on friday. Do you really think it didnt at least hit 2.5 million worldwide? and i'll even take away $100,000 and pretend that many people returned it (even though once you open the game you dont get a full refund most places) you really think 2.4 million isnt good ?
The problem is you're speculating about most things. Let's wait and see if they sell 2.4 million. So far, they sold over 1 million units before the backlash began.
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 04:08
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Wise Men wrote...
Great response from Casey. Very professional and mature. Not giving in to the negativity and yet still acknowledging that they look at fan feedback. I love how he avoids making a commitment at all. He lays out what their goal was (in terms of the ending being memorable etc.). This leaves him open to do what ever they decide with no pressure from making a promise.
I also think his response will make some gamers feel the same way a child feels when his / her parent ignore his tantrum. They will probably feel even more upset, proclaiming something like, "He missed the point!" "I want him to change the game for me not, just make a statement about their vision of the game etc!"
I say Bravo Casey.
(I can't wait for the DLC he teased.)
Ride that dick man, ride it.
