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[Reptilian Rob]

Sc2mashimaro wrote...

I thought it was very well written and I linked it on Mass Effect's facebook for them. Politely, of course, so hopefully someone will read it there.

Also, I don't think we're just a vocal minority. Vocal minorities don't police themselves very well and you end up with the threats and other things we've been very successful at pushing back against. We all know the score here, renegades and paragons, malesheps and femsheps, krogans and asari, long time bioware fans and newcomers. We're standing together like Shepard would have us do because this game was inspiration-ally good until the last 10 minutes where it took everything we loved about it and burned it. That's why we all keep saying that we will hold the line. So, keep up the good work everyone and hold the line.

Oh lord, now I have to go back and proof read! Damn you! JK 

[Militarized]

Thompson family wrote...

You lost me at "UCSD," which I presume is University of California, San Diego. Don't read authors who can't even rise above jargon because they assume everyone knows what they're talking about. They have nothing to say about good writing that deserves attention.

It's a forum you pretentious ****. 

Modifié par Militarized, 14 mars 2012 - 06:01 .

[Reptilian Rob]

logan23tom78 wrote...

You should place this on reddit!

Great job!

You can if you want, fell free to link it. I'm much too shy and reserved to do that myself though, haha. I was just spaking as a fan here, not a critic. If this gets a lot of attention I'll try and keep up though, fighting the good fight and all.

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 14 mars 2012 - 06:05 .

[NikitaDarkstar]

Well said and I fully agree.

It's just very depressing to think that this could have been intentional sabotage. :/

[Maria Caliban]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Grammar is not important on a forum...

You're the same gentleman who comes to the supermarket in a stained, wrinkled t-shirt, not having bothered to shower in the last 24 hours, aren't you?

[Statulos]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Grammar is not important on a forum...

You're the same gentleman who comes to the supermarket in a stained, wrinkled t-shirt, not having bothered to shower in the last 24 hours, aren't you?

I try my best to look decent in the face of anglos too.

[Reptilian Rob]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Grammar is not important on a forum...

You're the same gentleman who comes to the supermarket in a stained, wrinkled t-shirt, not having bothered to shower in the last 24 hours, aren't you?

Depends if I'm late and or running late, either situation merits a shower however. If you would like to take this argument to PM please do. I'm sure I can suggest some fine hygene products or bath soaps!

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 14 mars 2012 - 06:09 .

[Dusty Boy T]

Torch the franchise and run... Dear god, Bioware, what have you done...

[Statulos]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Cosmar wrote...

OP, I have a degree in Writing and agree with everything you said. I'm not sure how these writers, who did a much better job with the rest of the series, managed to drop the ball so hard with this ending.

The only explanations I can think of are that they either literally ran out of time and just had to cobble the current ending together to meet the deadline, or they wrote themselves into a corner and honestly couldn't think of how to best end the series (this is the least plausible, but hey, it happens to most writers at some point), or they wrote it with the "hallucination/indoctrination" theory in mind and will finish it later.

In any case, it's not good...

It's more or less just bad writing, just horrible...

And to clarify I'm not mainstream published, only in the student UCSD stacks. It's not something however, that one simply just walks in and is accepted. There is an editing process, as with any publication. 

Yeah, it´s called peer review. If you want to use that as a credential, the prestige of the journal counts, a lot, actually.

[Reptilian Rob]

Statulos wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Cosmar wrote...

OP, I have a degree in Writing and agree with everything you said. I'm not sure how these writers, who did a much better job with the rest of the series, managed to drop the ball so hard with this ending.

The only explanations I can think of are that they either literally ran out of time and just had to cobble the current ending together to meet the deadline, or they wrote themselves into a corner and honestly couldn't think of how to best end the series (this is the least plausible, but hey, it happens to most writers at some point), or they wrote it with the "hallucination/indoctrination" theory in mind and will finish it later.

In any case, it's not good...

It's more or less just bad writing, just horrible...

And to clarify I'm not mainstream published, only in the student UCSD stacks. It's not something however, that one simply just walks in and is accepted. There is an editing process, as with any publication. 

Yeah, it´s called peer review. If you want to use that as a credential, the prestige of the journal counts, a lot, actually.

By credincialed I meant I hold degrees, not widly published works. 

And we're here to discuss the ending and if you agree with my message, not galavanting over my grammar, skill or lack of. If you want to continue this, PM me.

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 14 mars 2012 - 06:24 .

[recentio]

That was an excellent read, sir. I hope you revise and print it and mail it to Bioware to show them both your thoughts and your conviction. Cheers!

[Reptilian Rob]

recentio wrote...

That was an excellent read, sir. I hope you revise and print it and mail it to Bioware to show them both your thoughts and your conviction. Cheers!

That's what everyone is telling me, I may as well follow through!

[Statulos]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Cosmar wrote...

OP, I have a degree in Writing and agree with everything you said. I'm not sure how these writers, who did a much better job with the rest of the series, managed to drop the ball so hard with this ending.

The only explanations I can think of are that they either literally ran out of time and just had to cobble the current ending together to meet the deadline, or they wrote themselves into a corner and honestly couldn't think of how to best end the series (this is the least plausible, but hey, it happens to most writers at some point), or they wrote it with the "hallucination/indoctrination" theory in mind and will finish it later.

In any case, it's not good...

It's more or less just bad writing, just horrible...

And to clarify I'm not mainstream published, only in the student UCSD stacks. It's not something however, that one simply just walks in and is accepted. There is an editing process, as with any publication. 

Yeah, it´s called peer review. If you want to use that as a credential, the prestige of the journal counts, a lot, actually.

By credincialed I meant I hold degrees, not widly published works. 

And we're here to discuss the ending and if you agree with my message, not galavanting over my grammar, skill or lack of. If you want to continue this, PM me.

I have those too, quite a nice folder of them actually. You should know that going for the authority argument is generaly a non sequitur in an argument.

I think your original post is well done, but man, spare us the curriculum part; you don´t need that to sound convincing.

[Reptilian Rob]

Statulos wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Cosmar wrote...

OP, I have a degree in Writing and agree with everything you said. I'm not sure how these writers, who did a much better job with the rest of the series, managed to drop the ball so hard with this ending.

The only explanations I can think of are that they either literally ran out of time and just had to cobble the current ending together to meet the deadline, or they wrote themselves into a corner and honestly couldn't think of how to best end the series (this is the least plausible, but hey, it happens to most writers at some point), or they wrote it with the "hallucination/indoctrination" theory in mind and will finish it later.

In any case, it's not good...

It's more or less just bad writing, just horrible...

And to clarify I'm not mainstream published, only in the student UCSD stacks. It's not something however, that one simply just walks in and is accepted. There is an editing process, as with any publication. 

Yeah, it´s called peer review. If you want to use that as a credential, the prestige of the journal counts, a lot, actually.

By credincialed I meant I hold degrees, not widly published works. 

And we're here to discuss the ending and if you agree with my message, not galavanting over my grammar, skill or lack of. If you want to continue this, PM me.

I have those too, quite a nice folder of them actually. You should know that going for the authority argument is generaly a non sequitur in an argument.

I think your original post is well done, but man, spare us the curriculum part; you don´t need that to sound convincing.

You don't seem to uderstand the letters "P" and "M" do you?

[Hudathan]

The endings are not perfect, but they certainly did not destroy anything for me. That's like saying the mere existence of the Star Wars prequels somehow means that the original trilogy magically stopped being great movies. Mass Effect is still the most compelling video game series I've ever played, it is 99% perfection and only causes controversy at its very end. I await the eventual DLC that was undoubtedly held back by EA to ensure that there will be one more round of profit before they allow this cash cow of a series to properly end.

[Reptilian Rob]

Hudathan wrote...

The endings are not perfect, but they certainly did not destroy anything for me.

Except the Citadel and the Mass Relays, am I right?

[andnico]

 You've another Ph.D. Candidate on your side here, friend. Well written, well said. I don't think this story is over. Hold the line.


Edit: In fact, I am presenting at a conference in a month or so and I have been vaguely contemplating a mention of this issue to compare the new media environment verus "old" media forms. My dander is up, so to speak, but my answer, my reaction may rest on BW. May we both hope this is the most epic troll in the history of interactive media.

Modifié par andnico, 14 mars 2012 - 07:48 .

[Spyre2001]

The literal translation is…

“A writer has created a franchise, but he doesn't own the legal rights
to what will happen to the franchise, the
publisher/network/studio/whatever does. Or maybe he/she shares the
rights with someone else and just doesn't have as much control as he/she
likes. They want to stop writing it and move on to something else. But
they don’t want anyone else being able to handle his property, even
though they don’t legally own it and even if they did own the franchise, what happens when their kids get their hands on the franchise after their inevitable Author Existence Failure?
The solution? Torch the Franchise and Run. Write one last story that
totally wrecks everything. They kill off everyone they possibly can.
They make the lives of all of the characters a living hell before
executing them. They make 100% sure that everyone is dead, and those
that aren't have no way of returning to the status quo or main premise
of the show. Essentially the authorial version of breaking your own toys so that nobody else can play with them.”

The above is taken from the article in the OP.

I point it out because the more I have thought about the ending and talked among my friends the more I believe this is what happen. I tried explaining to them how Bioware said multiple times in the past they only wanted to do a Trilogy and it would be the end of the series. But now that they are owned by EA the odds of that happening are slim to none.

EA won't let them leave it to rest so what's the best way to ensure EA can't continue their beloved fanchise? Sabatoge the ending in such a way that it pisses off your fans so they never want to touch another ME product. Given how little high up executives often seem to know about the story or gameplay of the products they are over seeing it would be easy to slip this by them. It's the only logical explination I can come up with short of mental illness or gorse incompetence on the part of the writers.

EDIT: Or as I keep telling my friends. BW isn't Trolling their fans. They are Trolling their new owners EA. Especially after what EA pressure forced them to release in DA2 that was obviously rushed out the door. I figure there is a lot of tension behind closed doors.

Modifié par Spyre2001, 14 mars 2012 - 05:11 .

[Reptilian Rob]

Thanks for the support and kind words, I was just speaking out of mind to be honest. Just lending my voice as a fan and a gamer, I'll be going back to edit this because the Retake Mass Effect guys liked it enough to post it on their FB page.

[MikeMousePT]

I really wish I could think like you OP. But with mass effect relays being destroyed in all ends, thus ALL systems wiped out, just don't convince me. Might as well sit down and watch Reapers kill everything. It's the same destiny lol

[The Stig M3]

I was well entertained throughout the whole read. All the different comparisons and parallels that you pointed out were great. The way you talked about the beginning of the franchise to its end in ME3 (at least before the last 10min) reminded me why I played and why I continued on to the next installment. Then when you mentioned ME3's ending, plot-holes and fallacies I practically just sat here frozen. I have read a lot of posts since Saturday night after I beat the game and I guess it just now hit me how sad and hopeless I have felt.

basically what i think about all this shenanigans is s*&t happens. Unfortunately this s^&t happened to us at the wrong time and the worst possible time. The only thing keeping me going right now is the hope that the indoctrinated theories are correct and that at the end of the "N7" secret ending is where bioware will soon pick the story up again. If they do, and like some were saying that they are just waiting for their worldwide launch, I will have nothing but respect for bioware. It will probably be the greatest thing that any video game company has ever done and will be a huge moment of shock and awe... and yet... we can only wait...and we can only hope.

Hold the line!

[Foxcat]

Bump for the OP because his analysis is thoughtful and because until we hear from Bioware it is quite possibly true, which would be a real shame.

[Zhijn]

Well written Reptilian Rob.

Wish i had more to say but you already said it. =)

[FellishBeast]

Amen.

[Reptilian Rob]

MikeMousePT wrote...

I really wish I could think like you OP. But with mass effect relays being destroyed in all ends, thus ALL systems wiped out, just don't convince me. Might as well sit down and watch Reapers kill everything. It's the same destiny lol

I don't know, it's possible the Indoc theory is true but by a long shot.

All we can do is hope that Bioware is out there listening.