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[Angedechu]

There are times when it's make sense to put a character that happens to be gay, and others when it sounds just like ''oh, we wanted to have a gay character for looking inclusive and such''

That might just be me, but this is how Cortez plotline hit me

[KingNothing125]

Would you have said he was all up in your grill with his heterosexuality if he had lost a wife on Ferris Fields instead of a husband?

[Angedechu]

It's mostly because all the backstory amounts to Cortez saying ''I lost my husband''.

[Khristianity]

I completely agree, seems like cheesy filler.

[MACharlie1]

Angedechu wrote...

It's mostly because all the backstory amounts to Cortez saying ''I lost my husband''.

Well...you did ask about his family. Sooo...you asked for it. 

[Angedechu]

I mean, the thing would have made sense if we slowly (well, over three conversations ?) that Cortes had suffered a lost, then learned that it was his husband.

This is as bad a Karen Traviss putting a throwaway line about two Mandalorians, that we never heard about and are never going to hear about again being male and married-a line meant to show to Lucas how she was tolerant and open and such.

[MACharlie1]

Angedechu wrote...

I mean, the thing would have made sense if we slowly (well, over three conversations ?) that Cortes had suffered a lost, then learned that it was his husband.

This is as bad a Karen Traviss putting a throwaway line about two Mandalorians, that we never heard about and are never going to hear about again being male and married-a line meant to show to Lucas how she was tolerant and open and such.

In that case, you would be "building up" the homosexuality - making it a bigger deal then it really is. Again, would you be saying the same if it was his wife? Would you still say he "rushed into telling you"? The fact then that he had a husband doesn't seem to be problem - just the fact that he lost someone he loved is revealed too fast. 

As for Karen Traviss...while Traviss is open and tolerant, I abhore the woman. I forgot why....back in my Wookieepedia days, I just remember not liking her. She probably said something that rubbed me the wrong way. Despite that, I do respect her decision to break off from Star Wars completely when they totally started ignoring established canon with that Clone Wars animated series disaster. 

Otherwise, Lucas productions is pretty intolerant. Ever hear about that controversy over in Old Republic forums. I believe a Lucasarts Rep said that "homosexuals don't exist in Star Wars and therefore wouldn't be in the Old Republic". Rubbed more then a few fans the wrong way. Lucas is all about "family oriented" and homosexual couples can't be family oriented apperantly. 

[Nejeli]

He mentions his husband once, is reluctant to talk about it, and then talks about him later. So, two conversations instead of three, but Cortez as a character seems pretty straight to the point? So I can't really see him dragging it out. Shepard asked him a question, he answered it. I like that it was stated as simply as if it had been a wife that died.

He talks about his husband and if Shepard romances him you get some romantic lines, but most of the time, yeah, he's geeking out about aircraft, joking with Vega, and being professional during missions. And why shouldn't he? None of the straight characters in the game are constantly saying or doing things to remind you that they're straight. YMMV, but I prefer this approach.

I do wish the pacing of the conversations, for all the characters, had been handled a bit differently, but at least it's better than ME2.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Nejeli wrote...

He mentions his husband once, is reluctant to talk about it, and then talks about him later. So, two conversations instead of three, but Cortez as a character seems pretty straight to the point? So I can't really see him dragging it out. Shepard asked him a question, he answered it. I like that it was stated as simply as if it had been a wife that died.

He talks about his husband and if Shepard romances him you get some romantic lines, but most of the time, yeah, he's geeking out about aircraft, joking with Vega, and being professional during missions. And why shouldn't he? None of the straight characters in the game are constantly saying or doing things to remind you that they're straight. YMMV, but I prefer this approach.

I do wish the pacing of the conversations, for all the characters, had been handled a bit differently, but at least it's better than ME2.

100% agreed, it's a pacing issue rather than a problem with the character himself.  He only continues to elaborate on his husband if Shepard asks him to.

[Frozen83]

Angedechu wrote...

I mean, the thing would have made sense if we slowly (well, over three conversations ?) that Cortes had suffered a lost, then learned that it was his husband.

This is as bad a Karen Traviss putting a throwaway line about two Mandalorians, that we never heard about and are never going to hear about again being male and married-a line meant to show to Lucas how she was tolerant and open and such.

Point... missing it. It is presumed that in the future it doesn't matter that he's gay so he just says it (i.e. it doesn't matter for the plot; the problem is that he cannot let go). And Shep doesn't twitch a bit. In fact, if you talkt with Aethytha, Shep says that humans consider both women mother, regardles of which one gave birth. The fact he's gay is presented as an insignificant part of his story. M.

[shepskisaac]

Angedechu wrote...

I mean, the thing would have made sense if we slowly (well, over three conversations ?) that Cortes had suffered a lost, then learned that it was his husband.

This is as bad a Karen Traviss putting a throwaway line about two Mandalorians, that we never heard about and are never going to hear about again being male and married-a line meant to show to Lucas how she was tolerant and open and such.

It's ironic you brought Star Wars into it. May I remind Bioware had Juhani years before Traviss wrote gay Mandalorians? Would you be so kind to remind us what was Juhani's plot and if you complained about it?

[Darthlawsuit]

If your like me then you tap spacebar to go through everything and /ignore

[Penguins]

My main issue is that Cortez is designed as a LI, and for some reason defaulted to the dead girlfriend trope. The fridge in bioware is so massive (

[edit: not complaining about having a prior relationship, but more, why do they all have to die? Isn't a break up sufficient thematically? ]

Modifié par Penguins, 14 mars 2012 - 08:13 .

[devSin]

I actually felt a little inspired by it, to be honest.

This is the way the world should work. If you're gay and you had a husband and he died, I want you to be able to say that you had a husband that died. I don't want you to dance around it because you're oh-so-afraid that I'm going to judge and condemn you.

My only issue was that "husband" is such a gender-specific title; shouldn't we have done away with crap like that by 2185?

[kevinywong]

Love Cortez and find him to be rather attractive (as well as loving his banter with Vega) - my only issue really is that it really does feel a bit sudden to go from comforting him to sticking it to the man (if you choose the romance option). The Kaidan romance seems to make a touch more sense in that respect, at least the tension's been building for three games.

[Balrogen4]

I'm in the same boat as OP but I don't know if Bioware actually handled the whole ordeal poorly or if it is that I'm not used to it, I felt at times that Cortez would emphazise that he was gay, none of the other characters are telling Shepard that they are straight. aside from that I felt he was a good character although a little redundant. (Would've rather had the established characters have more things to say about events/mission briefings)

[SurelyForth]

He's only talking about losing someone who probably meant more to him than anyone else in the galaxy, and from context it's clear that he's someone who clings to these things AND he blames himself.

Is Thane emphasizing his heterosexuality when he talked about his wife or son? Not even a little, and his wife had been dead far longer than Steve's husband.

[Raikas]

Is Thane emphasizing his heterosexuality when he talked about his wife or son? Not even a little, and his wife had been dead far longer than Steve's husband.

^This.  You ask about his family, he answers and it builds from there.  Nothing odd about it.

Modifié par Hervoyl, 14 mars 2012 - 03:47 .

[Balrogen4]

SurelyForth wrote...

He's only talking about losing someone who probably meant more to him than anyone else in the galaxy, and from context it's clear that he's someone who clings to these things AND he blames himself.

Is Thane emphasizing his heterosexuality when he talked about his wife or son? Not even a little, and his wife had been dead far longer than Steve's husband.

You're right but Thane as a character was more about attonement for his sins rather than having lost his wife.
As I said, I dunno if it was handled poorly or if I'm just biggoted, maybe a little bit of both.

[New Display Name]

kevinywong wrote...

Love Cortez and find him to be rather attractive (as well as loving his banter with Vega) - my only issue really is that it really does feel a bit sudden to go from comforting him to sticking it to the man (if you choose the romance option). The Kaidan romance seems to make a touch more sense in that respect, at least the tension's been building for three games.

This exactly.

In context of romance, I think obsessing over the dead husband was too much.
Same opinion if it was wife instead of husband.

[DaneWolf]

Yeah... He's like: I'm gay and I'm proud... And sad... But mostly Proud... He's trying to hard to say I'm gay!!!

[shepskisaac]

DaneWolf wrote...

Yeah... He's like: I'm gay and I'm proud... And sad... But mostly Proud... He's trying to hard to say I'm gay!!!

I think it's you who's trying too hard

[New Display Name]

DaneWolf wrote...

Yeah... He's like: I'm gay and I'm proud... And sad... But mostly Proud... He's trying to hard to say I'm gay!!!

If it was a wife instead of husband, would you say he's trying too hard to say that he's heterosexual?

[Siansonea]

Actually, Cortez came across very well to me. He mentions his husband's death, because Shepard asked about his family. His husband was the only family he had, and his death was recent and painful. He even says he doesn't want to talk about it. Presumably in 2185 people aren't all "Husband? But he's a dude!", it's just like "Oh, he lost his husband, poor guy". It's just part of the fabric of reality that some guys marry other guys rather than women. Not really a big deal. What IS a big deal is that his husband DIED and he's having a hard time coming to terms with it. You know, universal human condition stuff?

Modifié par Siansonea II, 14 mars 2012 - 04:12 .

[Siansonea]

HJF4 wrote...

DaneWolf wrote...

Yeah... He's like: I'm gay and I'm proud... And sad... But mostly Proud... He's trying to hard to say I'm gay!!!

If it was a wife instead of husband, would you say he's trying too hard to say that he's heterosexual?

Like Conrad Verner? My wife this, my wife that...