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[Kaelef]

crustywaffle wrote...

Why would any one want to change it now?

Well, a lot of people do change over time in real life (especially women, it seems), but I agree with you: there's no reason to change Tali at this point.  I assumed everyone was talking about whether or not she should have been established as a bi character in the first place.

[maddmanNeal]

justafan wrote...

maddmanNeal wrote...

Apparantly there exists recorded romance dialoge between Femshep and Tali in the ME2 game files, they just never used it in the final game.

I've heard people say that they just have Meer and Hale record off the same scripts for simplicities sake, since Shepard will say the same thing 95% of the time male or female.  As such, some male romance only dialogue gets recorded by Hale but is never used because Tali for example was always meant to be a maleshep romance.

That would explain why there is also recorded romance dialoge between her and Ashley in ME1. Probably saves a lot of headaches in the long run.

[spockjedi]

I think it's because there are already too many lesbian/bi romance options for the femsheps: Samantha, Diana and Kelly. Not mention to all the asari who may also show interest in her: Liara, Samara, Morinth, Sha'ira, Shiala...
Adding Tali would be just too much. It would feel unrealistic.

[Vapaa]

What are you talking about ? my Talimancer Femshep is with Tali since ME2

Modifié par Vapaä, 22 avril 2012 - 08:08 .

[Kaelef]

 Come mister Talimancer, Tali me banana...

Modifié par Kaelef, 22 avril 2012 - 08:14 .

[crustywaffle]

Kaelef wrote...

 Come mister Talimancer, Tali me banana...

Rannoch come, me want go home.

[Kaelef]

crustywaffle wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

 Come mister Talimancer, Tali me banana...

Rannoch come, me want go home.

:lol:

[Oxtail Soup]

Vapaä wrote...

What are you talking about ? my Talimancer Femshep is with Tali since ME2

Gibbed Savegame editor FTW.

[Baihu1983]

Why should every character suddenly be BI?

[lillitheris]

Baihu1983 wrote...

Why should every character suddenly be BI?

They're not bisexual…they're either straight or gay, depending on which you play.

I mean, you're not arguing about Mordin being both alive and dead at the same time because that can happen in different playthroughs?

Also, Tali was supposed to be romanceable by both – you can actually see it in the parts that didn't get cut out of ME2. (She's got some suggestive dialogue, plus the LotSB dossier gives you some more details regardless of Shepard's sex.)

[Elite Midget]

Nope. You also can't romance Ashley even if you had feelings for her since ME1.

I mean, she said she would never wear a skirt in battle.

She's doing it in ME3. So why not show Femshep her appreciation for saving her life yet again and admiting that she was always jealous of Liara for getting with Femshep in ME1?

[Baihu1983]

lillitheris wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

Why should every character suddenly be BI?

They're not bisexual…they're either straight or gay, depending on which you play.

I mean, you're not arguing about Mordin being both alive and dead at the same time because that can happen in different playthroughs?

Also, Tali was supposed to be romanceable by both – you can actually see it in the parts that didn't get cut out of ME2. (She's got some suggestive dialogue, plus the LotSB dossier gives you some more details regardless of Shepard's sex.)

But if you dont romance her she will go with Garrus, so she would be BI in a femshep game.

[ticklefist]

Lazamoose wrote...

Heavvy Metall wrote...

I've got a quick question, how do qaurian's determine attractiveness? They're all in the same suits and look exactly the same. Do the better looking quarians have better suits? or do they smell better? i'm confused.

Voice, accent, personality, and pilgrimage I bet.

It's a crazy idea but... maybe they talk to each other.

[Wulfram]

Well, there's no new Tali romances of any type. I still say she totally sounds like she's into femshep in ME2.

[BattleVisor]

Vhalkyrie wrote...
Broshep gets 7 female partner options, 2 bi, and 1 exclusive gay.  Femshep gets 4 male partners, 3 bi, and 1 exclusive lesbian.  Of the 4 male partners, Jacob becomes unavailable, Thane dies, Kaidan and Garrus could both be dead!  That could leave femshep with zero male partners in ME3.

Take a hint. Femshep shouldnt be a ****. its ok for Male Shepard to have many partners.

(im joking)

[AlexMBrennan]

Newsflash: They are aliens. If Tali was straight, she would be exclusively attracted to male quarians. I'd conjecture that once you cross the species-barrier, gender won't matter.

[LegendaryBlade]

lillitheris wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

Why should every character suddenly be BI?

They're not bisexual…they're either straight or gay, depending on which you play.

I mean, you're not arguing about Mordin being both alive and dead at the same time because that can happen in different playthroughs?

Also, Tali was supposed to be romanceable by both – you can actually see it in the parts that didn't get cut out of ME2. (She's got some suggestive dialogue, plus the LotSB dossier gives you some more details regardless of Shepard's sex.)

This argument is so ridiculous I honestly don't understand why people still think it works. Whether or not you access part of a character doesn't mean that who the character is changes; if you never dig in to Wrex's past in ME1 to find out about the fight with his father that doesn't mean it didn't happen or that it happened differently. Characters are built, fleshed out, and then put in to a story. When you start saying that the personality and essence of those characters changes just because you want them to be one way or another you make the world less fleshed out, less real. You compromise the whole story and the characters within it, you begin to remove depth and structure.

The members of your crew, the people you meant on the Normandy, are meant to feel at least somewhat like real people. And like it or not, that often means that some things just don't fly romantically. If anything, Tali should of gotten an "Uhhh, I don't swing that way" dialogue like the one they shoehorned on to Traynor.

Modifié par LegendaryBlade, 22 avril 2012 - 12:32 .

[lillitheris]

Baihu1983 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

Why should every character suddenly be BI?

They're not bisexual…they're either straight or gay, depending on which you play.

I mean, you're not arguing about Mordin being both alive and dead at the same time because that can happen in different playthroughs?

Also, Tali was supposed to be romanceable by both – you can actually see it in the parts that didn't get cut out of ME2. (She's got some suggestive dialogue, plus the LotSB dossier gives you some more details regardless of Shepard's sex.)

But if you dont romance her she will go with Garrus, so she would be BI in a femshep game.

Ah, but she wouldn't go with Garrus.

[Wulfram]

I dislike the whole schrodinger's sexuality thing. I'd prefer to just say that, hey, a somewhat surprising number of your companions are bi.

Modifié par Wulfram, 22 avril 2012 - 01:42 .

[Vapaa]

Baihu1983 wrote...

Why should every character suddenly be BI?

Because ME have no restrictions of any types.....excluding gender, witch "isn't realistic". ME romances are just just things to customize your Shepard, not something to work hard for in order to get them (Persona 3), so I say get rid of this useless restriction (besides the romance plays great, it only lacks Femshep voice )

[Biotic_Warlock]

Why would my Femshep want to romance Tali? O.o
Liara/traynor are fun enough (I want that threesome)

[lillitheris]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

Why should every character suddenly be BI?

They're not bisexual…they're either straight or gay, depending on which you play.

I mean, you're not arguing about Mordin being both alive and dead at the same time because that can happen in different playthroughs?

Also, Tali was supposed to be romanceable by both – you can actually see it in the parts that didn't get cut out of ME2. (She's got some suggestive dialogue, plus the LotSB dossier gives you some more details regardless of Shepard's sex.)

This argument is so ridiculous I honestly don't understand why people still think it works. Whether or not you access part of a character doesn't mean that who the character is changes; if you never dig in to Wrex's past in ME1 to find out about the fight with his father that doesn't mean it didn't happen or that it happened differently. Characters are built, fleshed out, and then put in to a story. When you start saying that the personality and essence of those characters changes just because you want them to be one way or another you make the world less fleshed out, less real. You compromise the whole story and the characters within it, you begin to remove depth and structure.

It's perfectly valid. You may not like it, and that's fine, but it's a completely logical argument. The characters in any two runs aren't the same.

If we go into ad absurdum territory, consider this exact parallel: why is a given LI (let's say Garrus) attracted to female Shepard no matter what she looks like, and no matter whether she's a renegade or not, no matter what she decides, no matter how she treats other people…? Realistically, all of those would be significant factors in attraction. The answer is that Garrus isn't written to have a realistic, static preference.

You want realistic? Out of N potential LIs for each sex, only 1 or 2 would actually be attracted to them in any given run, and weighted for humans. That could be randomized, even.

The members of your crew, the people you meant on the Normandy, are meant to feel at least somewhat like real people. And like it or not, that often means that some things just don't fly romantically. If anything, Tali should of gotten an "Uhhh, I don't swing that way" dialogue like the one they shoehorned on to Traynor.

But, again, Tali was originally written the exact opposite of that. There's nothing in her character that is affected one way or another regardless of her preference.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Baihu1983 wrote...

They're not bisexual…they're either straight or gay, depending on which you play.

Nah. Kaidan is in the closet to a femshep.
He was always gay.
(Mshep/kai = <3<3<3<3<3<3)

Liara is bi, since she mances both genders and identifies to such.


Edit: I'm grateful you didn't say "Bi doesn't exist". If you did i'd have flayed you alive... with my fingers.

Modifié par Biotic_Warlock, 22 avril 2012 - 02:20 .

[bpzrn]

Just download a picture off the internet 

[78stonewobble]

I just find it kinda ironic that people fight for the right to be whatever they are in real life. Whereas when in a game they encounter something that doesn't match them it must be changed.

*cough*

Well just something to think about.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 22 avril 2012 - 02:57 .