Severyx wrote...
Absolutely not, and I'm glad it stayed this way. Changing character's 'preferences' in the middle of any story to suit the absurd wants of the fans shows weak-willed character development. I hate that crap.
Tali, Thane, Garrus were announced, yes. In-game files point at Thane, Tali,Jack and Miranda. I've posted some voice snippets on the previous pages.I've heard rumors that Thane, Tali, and someone else (Garrus, I think?) were going to be romance options for both Shepards originally. Something about pre-release interviews stating that some of the LIs would be available to both. I've never actually seen them, though, as I came into ME2 late (as a PS3 player) so I missed all the pre-release hype. That would go a long way toward explaining some of the left-over dialogue, if it's actually true.
Liara's always there for you, should you want her. She's holding a torch for Shepard bigger than some suns in the galaxy.In ME3, from what I understand, her only romance option was actually Traynor, since she didn't romance Garrus in ME2 and Kaiden died on Virmire. So she got a very sad scene when she woke up before the final assault with no one there.
CHALET wrote...
Not every character has to turn bisexual at the sight of Shepard. This isn't Dragon Age.
Modifié par Noelemahc, 23 avril 2012 - 03:20 .
dreaming_raithe wrote...
JesseLee202 wrote...
dreaming_raithe wrote...
I was really disappointed with this, too. You can argue that Tali is straight, but FemShep gets all the same flirty dialogue with her that BroShep does. She blushes just the same when she mentions linking suits with Shepard whether Shepard is male or female. If she just wanted to suit-link the way her mom and "Auntie Raan" did, she wouldn't be blushing about it.
People say a lot of the time that Bioware records all of the dialogue with both Meer and Hale, but I'm not sure I buy that. I don't think anyone's ever uncovered left over dialogue of Meer flirting with Jacob, for instance, and from what I remember, Meer has completely different dialogue choices with Jacob compared to Hale (though I've only done BroShep once).
It really feels like they changed their minds later and chopped off the options for FemShep.
It was cut, and so it is not canon. And for them to go back now releasing DLC would be offensive. Is it really so hard to ask for a heto romance without people complaining? There are plenty of... other... options out there...
That's not the point--if a character is supposed to be heterosexual, that's fine. It never bothered me that Jacob doesn't hit on BroShep or anything. I also don't care that Cortez isn't interested in FemShep or that Miranda isn't, either. The dialogue with those characters is constructed so that you don't get the impression that they *are* interested. The cut off point for Tali make it seem like the romance was originally there (and in fact, all the dialogue files are on the disc).
For what it's worth, my original FemShep didn't *have* any options. If a "hit on this person" line felt really awkward for her character, I never chose it, which is why she never romanced Garrus, for instance (because she wouldn't make such a blatant request for sex). She did accuse Tali of blushing because it was more subtle, but that romance option was for some reason cut out of the game even though the work was already done.
In ME3, from what I understand, her only romance option was actually Traynor, since she didn't romance Garrus in ME2 and Kaiden died on Virmire. So she got a very sad scene when she woke up before the final assault with no one there.
To be honest, if the cut-off on the dialogue with Tali was done better, I don't think I would have cared as much. I would have been slightly annoyed, I think (because I played DA2 before ME2 and went into the latter with certain assumptions regarding romances), but I would have been cool with it.
Severyx wrote...
JesseLee202 wrote...
Taboo-XX wrote...
JesseLee202 wrote...
Taboo-XX wrote...
People do not become gay nor do they become bisexual. Go open a book on human psychology and read the chapter on sexuality. Please stop creating these threads.
Sexuality and attraction are based upon genetic markers, alleles and come to find out brain plasticity. It is not a choice, nor is it something that is in anyway harmful.
Because books are always correct and are infallible...
There is evidence to support these claims. It isn't something that you can just dismiss.
Show me. cite ye sources
As much as I'd love to see people debate this, I think it's a bit off-topic. Don't you two?
Noelemahc wrote...
Liara's always there for you, should you want her. She's holding a torch for Shepard bigger than some suns in the galaxy.In ME3, from what I understand, her only romance option was actually Traynor, since she didn't romance Garrus in ME2 and Kaiden died on Virmire. So she got a very sad scene when she woke up before the final assault with no one there.
Unit-Alpha wrote...
JesseLee202 wrote...
Taboo-XX wrote...
JesseLee202 wrote...
Taboo-XX wrote...
People do not become gay nor do they become bisexual. Go open a book on human psychology and read the chapter on sexuality. Please stop creating these threads.
Sexuality and attraction are based upon genetic markers, alleles and come to find out brain plasticity. It is not a choice, nor is it something that is in anyway harmful.
Because books are always correct and are infallible...
There is evidence to support these claims. It isn't something that you can just dismiss.
Show me. cite ye sources
So you believe those homosexual reform camps actually work? Because they are based on your logic.
JesseLee202 wrote...
I never played DA, but I heard a lot, if not everyone in your party is bi. IDK why but that just seems unrealistic. You say its not people's choice, yet everyone you meet in DA wants you, regardless of your sex? I know its a game but that would really be a buzzkill for immersion.
And honestly, ME2 makes it clear that Tali is interested in manly shep only. So your hopes were definitely misplaced. And if I may ask, why not Liara? She is a women too, don't pull that classic excuse "oh but she is a monogendered alien, so it doesn't count" What is so wrong with her that you wouldn't even mention her as an option?
JesseLee202 wrote...
Unit-Alpha wrote...
JesseLee202 wrote...
Taboo-XX wrote...
JesseLee202 wrote...
Taboo-XX wrote...
People do not become gay nor do they become bisexual. Go open a book on human psychology and read the chapter on sexuality. Please stop creating these threads.
Sexuality and attraction are based upon genetic markers, alleles and come to find out brain plasticity. It is not a choice, nor is it something that is in anyway harmful.
Because books are always correct and are infallible...
There is evidence to support these claims. It isn't something that you can just dismiss.
Show me. cite ye sources
So you believe those homosexual reform camps actually work? Because they are based on your logic.
And so you know my logic by two lines I wrote? BTW nice stawman u got thar.
Vapaä wrote...
Severyx wrote...
Absolutely not, and I'm glad it stayed this way. Changing character's 'preferences' in the middle of any story to suit the absurd wants of the fans shows weak-willed character development. I hate that crap.
You mean, like retconning Garrus and Tali into LI ?
It's a well-known bug, sadly. There's a lot of those in ME1 which BioWare would and could not fix because they had nothing to do with the PC port.The funny part is I picked up ME1 for PC and played through it with that Shepard's character, and ended up getting the romance scene with Liara even though I thought I turned her down. I got a good laugh out of that,
Four out of nine people is not "everyone". Especially if three of them were established as bi when they were extras in the previous game (Isabela you could bed in DAO as either gender; Anders tells some fun tall tales of his work in a brothel, and it's implied that Merrill was into Mahariel regardless of the PC's gender). Varric more or less asexual, Bethany and Carver are your siblings, Aveline you can even help find a husband and Sebastian has given an oath of chastity. Which does not preclude your female Hawke from marrying him... in a chaste marriage. Which is quite an achievement in the depravity of Kirkwall.I never played DA, but I heard a lot, if not everyone in your party is bi. IDK why but that just seems unrealistic.
Did you play the same game as the rest of us? Her come-on to Shepard is the same for either gender. FemShep is simply locked out of agreeing to it.And honestly, ME2 makes it clear that Tali is interested in manly shep only. So your hopes were definitely misplaced.
I think he (she?) meant Shepard hooking up with them, not them hooking up with each other. Dammit, why doesn't ME have threesomes?Yep, silly last minute move for 2 characters who seemed more like brother and sister up until that last moment.
Modifié par Noelemahc, 23 avril 2012 - 03:34 .
Vapaä wrote...
Severyx wrote...
Absolutely not, and I'm glad it stayed this way. Changing character's 'preferences' in the middle of any story to suit the absurd wants of the fans shows weak-willed character development. I hate that crap.
You mean, like retconning Garrus and Tali into LI ?
Well, that's the trick. They retconned them into being interested. In LotSB Liara explains that Tali was hot for Shepard since day one (but only if you romanced Tali by that point).They added them as LI. For them to be bi they would change their character. For the record, changing any character's orientation without any hints of them already being interested, is wrong. I don't hate homosexuals or bisexuals, I just disagree with them.
Noelemahc wrote...
Four out of nine people is not "everyone". Especially if three of them were established as bi when they were extras in the previous game (Isabela you could bed in DAO as either gender; Anders tells some fun tall tales of his work in a brothel, and it's implied that Merrill was into Mahariel regardless of the PC's gender). Varric more or less asexual, Bethany and Carver are your siblings, Aveline you can even help find a husband and Sebastian has given an oath of chastity. Which does not preclude your female Hawke from marrying him... in a chaste marriage. Which is quite an achievement in the depravity of Kirkwall.I never played DA, but I heard a lot, if not everyone in your party is bi. IDK why but that just seems unrealistic.
And come on, Fenris was raised in Tevinter. They're hedonists, one and all.Did you play the same game as the rest of us? Her come-on to Shepard is the same for either gender. FemShep is simply locked out of agreeing to it.And honestly, ME2 makes it clear that Tali is interested in manly shep only. So your hopes were definitely misplaced.
Modifié par JesseLee202, 23 avril 2012 - 03:41 .
Baihu1983 wrote...
Vapaä wrote...
Severyx wrote...
Absolutely not, and I'm glad it stayed this way. Changing character's 'preferences' in the middle of any story to suit the absurd wants of the fans shows weak-willed character development. I hate that crap.
You mean, like retconning Garrus and Tali into LI ?
Yep, silly last minute move for 2 characters who seemed more like brother and sister up until that last moment.
Noelemahc wrote...
It's a well-known bug, sadly. There's a lot of those in ME1 which BioWare would and could not fix because they had nothing to do with the PC port.The funny part is I picked up ME1 for PC and played through it with that Shepard's character, and ended up getting the romance scene with Liara even though I thought I turned her down. I got a good laugh out of that,
Did you play the same game as the rest of us? Her come-on to Shepard is the same for either gender. FemShep is simply locked out of agreeing to it.And honestly, ME2 makes it clear that Tali is interested in manly shep only. So your hopes were definitely misplaced.
Modifié par dreaming_raithe, 23 avril 2012 - 03:42 .
dreaming_raithe wrote...
Noelemahc wrote...
It's a well-known bug, sadly. There's a lot of those in ME1 which BioWare would and could not fix because they had nothing to do with the PC port.The funny part is I picked up ME1 for PC and played through it with that Shepard's character, and ended up getting the romance scene with Liara even though I thought I turned her down. I got a good laugh out of that,
It's a bug? Bah! I'm halfway through that ME2 playthrough on Insanity now! My canon Shepard is ruined! Well, okay, that's a little dramatic. She was probably going to turn down Liara after Shadow Broker anyway (though as always I need to see the dialogue first).Did you play the same game as the rest of us? Her come-on to Shepard is the same for either gender. FemShep is simply locked out of agreeing to it.And honestly, ME2 makes it clear that Tali is interested in manly shep only. So your hopes were definitely misplaced.
Yeah, it never felt clear to me that she was only interested in BroShep. Every word of her dialogue is the same for both Shepards up until the point where you would normally "accept" the romance option. It's said with the same inflecitons, too.
Yes you do, which is why you rely nonsensical BS rather than logical arguments.There is a difference between adding, and changing. They added them as LI. For them to be bi they would change their character. For the record, changing any character's orientation without any hints of them already being interested, is wrong. I don't hate homosexuals or bisexuals, I just disagree with them.
Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 23 avril 2012 - 03:47 .
LyletheBloody wrote...
BringBackNihlus wrote...
Absolutely not. Tali wants a man. A REAAALLLL man.
I'm Commander Shepard, and Tali is my favorite romance option In the Universe.
AlexMBrennan wrote...
Tali is interested in manShep despite him being a human rather than because he's a guy.
Modifié par JesseLee202, 23 avril 2012 - 03:52 .
JesseLee202 wrote...
I'm sorry, but the only reason its the same is because they didn't have her record different dialog for both sheps. I blame partial lazyness.
fish of doom wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
Garrus is too good for her..
GET YOUR FILTHY GARRUS OFF MY TALI!!!
ahandsomeshark wrote...
its annoying because Tali says she wants to link suits with you whether you're male or female in ME2, and the shadow broker dossier still has her looking up human mating rituals.
Tali clearly wants my femshep.
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