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[fchopin]

Jake Boone wrote...

fchopin wrote...

No, Ashley is terrible in ME3, all she does is whine in ME3 so i am very disappointed.

So do you hate Kaidan as well? He whines just as much.

Sorry for the late reply.

Yes i dont like Kaiden either, both of them just whine throughout the game.
Dont understand why they made Ashley like that, she used to be a strong soldier and not a whiner.

[CptData]

@OP:

Funny that you ask. My very, very, very first Shepard (back in 2008) wanted to romance Tali. Since she wasn't available, he went after Liara. Things felt okay to me, but I stopped playing the game somewhere around Virmire.

My first full playthrough (till end of ME3) is also dating back to 2008 - and this time, I picked Ashley instead of Liara. And she was far more tempting to me, gave me a real reason to get attached to the game. Basically, I play ME 'cause of Ashley.

I'm kinda regretting I never got in touch with Liara. Her romance is far better in ME3 than Ashley's especially caused by the extra non-romance fluff that makes her character so much more complete, while Ashley ... now, she feels incomplete. It's irony the best part of her story happens when she's NOT on board. Once you have her back, Ash is too inactive to be fun. And actually, her romance climax scene feels like "coming out of nowhere" since there is virtually no build up between "rekindling romance" and "climax" - which can easily span 15 - 20 hours of gameplay.

So in my case it's more I regret Liara is not my type AND I regret Ashley's romance didn't get the same treatment like Liara's.

[DirtySHISN0]

To answer the title. No.

[MalevoIence]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

To answer the title. No.

Eh, why not try them all?.... not like you're hurting anyone's feelings .... but all in all, I just don't have the time or will power to do multiple playthroughs

[tomnmillie]

Liara all the way or Tali. Ash was so annoying.

To Quote Admiral Zap Brannigan:

"We have failed to uphold Brannigan's Law. However I did make it with a hot alien babe. And in the end, is that not what man has dreamt of since first he looked up at the stars? "

[ladyvader]

Jake Boone wrote...

fchopin wrote...

No, Ashley is terrible in ME3, all she does is whine in ME3 so i am very disappointed.

So do you hate Kaidan as well? He whines just as much.

Kaidan tries to figure out if people who work for Cerberus are good people.  He tries to understand why Shepard worked with them.

All Ashley does is whine the whole time and roll on the floor drunk.  

At least Kaidan owns what happened on Horizon.  All Ash did was talk about her family and sweep Horizon under the rug.

Ash isn't allowed on the Normandy, if I don't kill her, she goes with Hackett.  I had two different Sheaprd with Ash and one who stayed faithful and all Ash does now is tick me off enough where I don't want to deal with her anymore.  At least Kaidan stopped whining about Cerbreus, which Ash never does.

[Ezlo86]

ladyvader wrote...

Ash isn't allowed on the Normandy, if I don't kill her, she goes with Hackett. 

I sent her to Hackett as well, despite my urge to shoot her in the face for pulling a gun on me and being such an all around b****. And I remember being much more satisfied with that choice, especially with Joker saluting you for "the respect you deserve" afterwards. 

[MalevoIence]

ladyvader wrote...

Jake Boone wrote...

fchopin wrote...

No, Ashley is terrible in ME3, all she does is whine in ME3 so i am very disappointed.

So do you hate Kaidan as well? He whines just as much.

Kaidan tries to figure out if people who work for Cerberus are good people.  He tries to understand why Shepard worked with them.

All Ashley does is whine the whole time and roll on the floor drunk.  

At least Kaidan owns what happened on Horizon.  All Ash did was talk about her family and sweep Horizon under the rug.

Ash isn't allowed on the Normandy, if I don't kill her, she goes with Hackett.  I had two different Sheaprd with Ash and one who stayed faithful and all Ash does now is tick me off enough where I don't want to deal with her anymore.  At least Kaidan stopped whining about Cerbreus, which Ash never does.

Her mixed feelings and emotions though, made her a complex character.  She tries to trust you but you worked for Cerberus who are known to have done horrible things.  She started out as a Xenophobe, in essence, just like Shepard in how they felt the council held them back, but eventually evolved to have enough compassion for aliens that the very fact you worked for Cerberus disgusted her.  How much you cared about her went hand in hand with conflict in how much she cared about you, to the point she made the ultimate choice, that she chose you over her career.  She had far more complexity than Liara in my opinion.  Liara had two personalities....  Cold exterior, cute schoolgirl interior of ME1...... or Cold Calculative Exterior, cute schoolgirl interior of ME2 and 3.

Tali also I felt had more depth than Liara too.  She started out as a naive tech head out on her right of passage, then she became an adult a woman and admitting her feelings for you and then became a leader and voice of reason to her ppl.  You could actually see her growing up through the series.

Ashley grew up mentally too.

Liara just became cold... and colder

Modifié par MalevoIence, 14 août 2012 - 06:44 .

[chidingewe8036]

My Shep. romanced Ashley and Liara P.....I.....M......P

My Shepard - "It aint easy"

[ladyvader]

MalevoIence wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Jake Boone wrote...

fchopin wrote...

No, Ashley is terrible in ME3, all she does is whine in ME3 so i am very disappointed.

So do you hate Kaidan as well? He whines just as much.

Kaidan tries to figure out if people who work for Cerberus are good people.  He tries to understand why Shepard worked with them.

All Ashley does is whine the whole time and roll on the floor drunk.  

At least Kaidan owns what happened on Horizon.  All Ash did was talk about her family and sweep Horizon under the rug.

Ash isn't allowed on the Normandy, if I don't kill her, she goes with Hackett.  I had two different Sheaprd with Ash and one who stayed faithful and all Ash does now is tick me off enough where I don't want to deal with her anymore.  At least Kaidan stopped whining about Cerbreus, which Ash never does.

Her mixed feelings and emotions though, made her a complex character.  She tries to trust you but you worked for Cerberus who are known to have done horrible things.  She started out as a Xenophobe, in essence, just like Shepard in how they felt the council held them back, but eventually evolved to have enough compassion for aliens that the very fact you worked for Cerberus disgusted her.  How much you cared about her went hand in hand with conflict in how much she cared about you, to the point she made the ultimate choice, that she chose you over her career.  She had far more complexity than Liara in my opinion.  Liara had two personalities....  Cold exterior, cute schoolgirl interior of ME1...... or Cold Calculative Exterior, cute schoolgirl interior of ME2 and 3.

Tali also I felt had more depth than Liara too.  She started out as a naive tech head out on her right of passage, then she became an adult a woman and admitting her feelings for you and then became a leader and voice of reason to her ppl.  You could actually see her growing up through the series.

Ashley grew up mentally too.

Liara just became cold... and colder

Ashley isn't complex.  She is simpleton with bioted views.  She has major trust issues and doesn't try to understand why Sheaprd did what s/he did.  It still baffles me she was promoted FIVE times since the first game.  WHY?  It's never ever explained why she was promoted to Lt. Commander. 

At least Kaidan's promotion to Major is explained and he didn't want the postition.  Anderson had to talk him into it. 

Ashley doesn't grow as a character, she the same bioted woman she was in ME1.  I looked past that and had a Shepard stay loyal to her.  When I imported that Shepard, he ended up with Steve because there was no way I was romancing her a 2nd time.  Once was enough.  And doing her romance, I wished I had dumped Ash for Jack. 

Ash isn't allowed on the Normandy anymore.  She is the most anti-social person in the game.  Javik been in stasis for 50,000 years and at least he moves around and talks to people.  Ashley just stays by herself or is drunk on the floor which makes me call her a hot mess.

Tali drunk was cute, Ash was hot mess.


But to answer the question of this thread.  No, I don't regret romance Liara over Ash.  Liara has the best romance arc in all three games with Garrus a close second.  I put Ash last.  Nothing bugged me more than having to kiss her ass and justify my actions to her for the entire game.

[CptData]

^ Well, I said it numerous times: without ME1 I couldn't romance Ash in ME3. Not enough stuff to hook up with the character. Actually, I'd say ME3 damages her character even more. In ME1 she was multilayered and an interesting character with some fascinating ideas. In ME3 she got reduced to her trust issues, her sister and the romance.

Well, the romance was decent, 'though incomplete. The lack of any interaction outside her romance arc is the main issue why Ashley can't get new fans in ME3 AND losing old fans as well; there's nothing redeeming her and her role in the Coup (the same as for Kaidan) is not redeeming at all.

Yep. The worst part of all: Ash -had- redeeming scenes in the leaked script, and all got scrapped. Official word is: they ran out of budget for her. 'though I think that's true, it also makes me disliking Allers a lot more: that money wasted on her character could have been put into Ashley and Kaidan, granting them better scenes.

And yes: I blame Mac Walters for dropping the ball on both.

[Yrian96]

adam_nox wrote...

I hate Ashley with a passion.

hardest decision ever is if you want to get rid of ashley or Kaidan since they are both annoying and unlikable. I wish I could kill both at the the bomb and also accidentaly blow up jacob... The game would be perfect :innocent:

[MalevoIence]

What turned me off from Ashley to begin with is...... her stupid granny bun hair.. but I agree with Yrian, throw Jacob and Kaiden to their deaths

[Han Shot First]

Liara just became cold... and colder

That isn't true at all.

Liara is actually one of the more caring characters in the series, at least regards to Shepard and her friends aboard the Normandy.


Name in the Stars

Romance scene

The gift

Evac

Modifié par Han Shot First, 18 août 2012 - 04:27 .

[GarvakD]

I romanced Liara 4 out of my 5 (more to come) ME1 playthroughs. I like her a whole lot more than that idiot Ashley. I also chose Ashley to die 4 out of the 5 times.
I was in relationship with Tali for 2 and 3, but even in 3 Liara and I were tight friends with a history.

[LukeSkywhacker2]

Apologies in advance for going a little off topic (though still somewhere in connection). Actually, I felt somewhat inclined to regret that Liara was not of a sufficiently related species to procreate in the same way humans do. In light of the bioethetical positions I hold in real life, participating in some form of parthenogenesis by supplying data for DNA randomisation would have been unacceptable. While a game is a game and not real life, I still didn't want Shepard to do and myself to enjoy something that I clearly wouldn't be morally able to do in real life. But it was painful many times. Then again, it was at times similarly painful in the case of Tali'Zorah. Therefore, I believe the developers "simply" (except it's not so simple) succeeded at creating emotionally engaging examples of friendship: emotional, affectionate, no-holds-barred friendships even with members of the opposite sex, not like, "I won't hug you and generally don't care for you because I have a different romantic interest. The characters (Shepard and the could-have-been love interests) eventually saved each other's lives and shared many an involving, bonding moment after the resolution of the romantic plot that was not pursued, it being different in the case of a male Shepard from a men's friendship (of which we also witnessed splendid examples). We had good friends in any of Ash, Liara, Tali or Miranda, regardless which one was chosen as the romantic interest. I did wonder what Shepard's life would be if shared with any one of them but especially the former three. Of them all, I guess Tali was the young sister, Liara the best friend, perhaps Ash was the best "girlfriend material" in stereotypical terms, not in the least due to a very characteristic "girl next door" flavour.

For the record, I had a different relationship with Ash than most other plays did, I'm sure. I turned her down both times she offered to have sexual intercourse with Shepard. I didn't really appreciate her juvenile comment about "great ass" the night before Ilos, and that was not the only juvenile thing I did not appreciate. An absentee in ME2, she matured; in Liara's words, she became markedly competent. I liked her new incarnation. Reminded me of Admiral Daala in a way.

Modifié par LukeSkywhacker2, 18 août 2012 - 05:58 .

[GarvakD]

Plus, if Liara was previous LI, there are cool Lair of the Shadow Broker and ME3 scenes.

[Han Shot First]

LukeSkywhacker2 wrote...

The characters (Shepard and the could-have-been love interests) eventually saved each other's lives and shared many an involving, bonding moment after the resolution of the romantic plot that was not pursued, it being different in the case of a male Shepard from a men's friendship (of which we also witnessed splendid examples). We had good friends in any of Ash, Liara, Tali or Miranda, regardless which one was chosen as the romantic interest. I did wonder what Shepard's life would be if shared with any one of them but especially the former three. Of them all, I guess Tali was the young sister, Liara the best friend, perhaps Ash was the best "girlfriend material" in stereotypical terms, not in the least due to a very characteristic "girl next door" flavour.

Although Liara was my canon Shepard's LI, I view the other squadmates the same way you do. They're all trusted allies and friends of Shepard, and they've been to hell and back for each other. The unromanced characters I see as Shepard's comrades-in-arms, and a bond exists between them like that between brothers and sisters.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 18 août 2012 - 07:00 .