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[Xeremius]

In the circle of Magi, I've tried to save the bewitched templar by killing the desire demon first, without success apparently...
Do you know if it's a bug or was it intended ?
Thanks

Modifié par Xeremius, 28 novembre 2009 - 05:38 .

[marshalleck]

I don't think it's possible.

[Brimleydower]

I don't think you can "save" him, as it were. I do think it's odd that Leliana approves of you letting the demon go with him.

[ReubenLiew]

Yes, you can. You slay him, and send his soul to the Maker, and thus he is saved.

[Medivan]

Lelianna is a ex-spy basically. She spent a LARGE deal of time doing exactly what the Demon itself did which was making men believe she had true feelings for him. She said it herself she considers herself a "master of the game". It is a little conflicting through with her Chantry thoughts.

[Midnight Reyn]

You can't save him. If you take Sten with you to the tower, it comes up in the dialogue that the desire demon is linked to the Templar, such that if she is killed, he is killed as well.

[Soepkommetje]

You can save him in two different ways: Slay him and send his soul to the Maker, or let the demon go free and give him the things he most desires.



I like grey.

[UpiH]

In Bioware's games, killing is always more rewarding than any reasoning unless you're dumb enough to try and kill a stalwart character like Elminster. In this case, killing them both gives you the XP and a neat templar armour, letting them go (as I'd liked to do) gives a warm and fuzzy comment from Leliana.

Bioware's ethics seems to be something between a sociopath and psychopath. Kill, lie, steal, cheat pretend, beguile and get away with it in your heroic way to save the world. For all luck the trogdolytes in the real world weren't like that, otherwise we weren't here to play any games.

Modifié par UpiH, 28 novembre 2009 - 08:13 .

[Original182]

I'm convinced that killing the Desire Demon and the Templar is the "right" thing to do, even if it involves killing the innocent Templar and has shades of grey.

The game doesn't allow you to free the Templar. He either dies by your hand, or he dies by the Desire Demon. There's no way to save him.



So the right thing to do is to prevent the Desire Demon from freely roaming and killing more victims once she's done with the Templar.

[Maria Caliban]

There's no reason to think that she'd kill the Templar. He's a bit like killing the cow that's giving milk. She might slay *other* people, but the Templar will likely live until someone decides they both need to die.

[Original182]

I think I've done my argument to death in that other thread, but I'll just summarize.
I cannot give an identical situation in-game that another Desire Demon possessed someone, and then killed him afterwards. Connor and Kitty didn't kill their host. But they didn't free them without a fight either.
But the Sloth Demon killed Niall, while all the time it pretends to want to give the main character and his/her companions "peace". It is not unlike how a Desire Demon, or any other demon for that matter, would act.

Modifié par Original182, 28 novembre 2009 - 08:50 .

[Maria Caliban]

Yes, but Niaal wasn’t the Sloth demon’s host.

We have examples of Desire demons killing people, but not their hosts, and we have examples of Sloth demons killing people, but not their hosts, and from this you’ve taken that this Desire demon will kill the Templar.

It just seems like a very weak argument.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 28 novembre 2009 - 09:03 .

[Original182]

And your argument is equally as weak. Demons as you've said have been shown to kill people, it's in their nature, but somehow they will spare their hosts?



As I've said, I cannot make my point any clearer. I thought it's very obvious what demons are capable of based on numerous examples. But you seem to think it doesn't mean anything and they may spare their hosts.



So we'll just agree to disagree.

[Vicious]

Kill him because he drops the Templar armor complete with the robe.



That said Demons are strange creatures that pretty much want their own thing. Every Desire Demon in the game simply wants to experience the World in their own twisted fashion. From Conner, the Templar, and even Kitty.





There's no good/evil here, just points of view. He is happy in his own way, and if you fight you can't free him, only send a man who wanted a happy family to the cold emptiness of death. And if you let them go, there's nothing stopping the Demon from moving on, or killing anyone who gets in their way. [like you] So that's not exactly good either.

[MS3825]

The other people weren't so deeply linked to the desire demons, I think. I like grey as well which is why I allow some demons to go free and not others. I let this one go... if I had "freed" him it would have been like I like I killed his family. He would have been depressed for life.
I also was willing to let the kitty go free. No way I'm going to harm a cat, not even a demon possessed kitty. If it hadn't changed forms from the cat before attacking I would have let it kill my party and keep the girl. Mwa-ha-ha!

Not all endings are happy, and being "good" means living the horrible consequences of your actions eating at your conscience. That being said, too bad we couldn't have saved him via entering the Fade.

Can anyone say "Fade Walker" prestige class for mages? That would be fun.

Modifié par MS3825, 28 novembre 2009 - 11:18 .

[FrostyThundertrod]

Ieven tried using the Litany but it did not work so much for its powers to nullify mental domination.

[Recidiva]

I've always killed him.

But then to me it's a quality of life thing. He's not him any more. Regardless of the choices that drove him to make such his decision to consent, after the decision is done, he's no longer there to ask. Pull the plug. If I don't, the demon will ride him to death and then be out in the world looking to score another human.

I can't go into the Fade to save everyone.

[Xeremius]

I'm sure Bioware Devs would be happy reading such a thread...

Maybe on my next playthrough I will let them live, with Sten telling me if one dies both die...

[blauregen]

Given that at least the playercharacter is technically an abomination, controlled by an entity stemming from another plane of existence, which has vastly different goals and values than your average ferelden citizen,which seems mainly driven by a desire to experience the world through the playercharacter and which quite often puts the entire party into mortal danger......... I can relate to the desire demon. It seems comparatively benevolent.

Modifié par blauregen, 29 novembre 2009 - 10:02 .

[Herr Uhl]

blauregen wrote...

Given that at least the playercharacter is technically an abomination, controlled by an entity stemming from another plane of existence, which has vastly different goals and values than your average ferelden citizen,which seems mainly driven by a desire to experience the world through the playercharacter and which quite often puts the entire party into mortal danger......... I can relate to the desire demon. It seems comparatively benevolent.

Darkspawn are not demons. It is not an entity that wants to experience the world through the PC. Wynne is more arguably an abomination though.

[UpiH]

blauregen wrote...

Given that at least the playercharacter is technically an abomination, controlled by an entity stemming from another plane of existence, which has vastly different goals and values than your average ferelden citizen,which seems mainly driven by a desire to experience the world through the playercharacter and which quite often puts the entire party into mortal danger......... I can relate to the desire demon. It seems comparatively benevolent.

Exactly.The PC has also somewhat strange ways to make ends meet: kill everything that's moving and doable and rob the corpses to sell them at a nifty percent of the face value. Not good economy at all.

[Dunhart]

Maria Caliban wrote...

There's no reason to think that she'd kill the Templar. He's a bit like killing the cow that's giving milk. She might slay *other* people, but the Templar will likely live until someone decides they both need to die.

Actually, she will say that he'll expire quickly, justifying that by saying something along the lines of 'brief life of happiness is better than a long one of discontentment'

I always kill them because I think Alistair looks dashing in the Templar armor that he drops.

Modifié par Dunhart, 29 novembre 2009 - 10:26 .

[Sidney]

No way I'm going to let that go and just just because of the armor. The demon is using him until it findw a better host. She wants to play housewife....now. When she wants to learn how to play some other role the Warden is toast so he's already dead he just doesn't know it.



Toss in that I agree with Morrigan that the Templar's just jusy keeping the poor mages down and killing one of them doesn't make me blink an eye.

[Hunter246]

I've tried to save him by killing demon first but he just attack me so his corps is on the floor lol

[Ravauviel]

It would definitely have been more intuitive if the connection had been severed on killing the Desire Demon first.

Modifié par Ravauviel, 29 novembre 2009 - 02:41 .