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[Gojeran]

I also quit SWTOR in protest, said so in my cancel comments. NOT ONE PENNY BIOWARE/EA EVER again until ending are fixed. If they are never fixed well then I'll find another game company that wants my money. This was never going to easy, but nothing worth doing ever is.

[Captiosus77]

Jake71887 wrote...
Perhaps, but I'm not willing to utterly condemn a whole company... I have said that my faith is shaken, and I may not buy DLC or preorder and buy collector's edition... But I cannot entirely boycott a company over this, I have to give them the chance to make ammends.

Well, my question - and I'm too tired to be sarcastic, so please don't misinterpret - is how many times do you have to have your faith shaken before you decide it's not worth supporting a company or product?

For me, my faith in BW was shaken with DA2. It was enough to rattle the foundation but I passed it off as an an isolated occurrance. Then came TOR. After a month and a half into TOR, I could no longer pass it off as an isolated occurance because many of the same customer support problems and passing-the-buck posts that plagued DA2 were showing up with TOR. At that point, the foundation started to give way.

ME3 could have been a redeeming product. But there are known texture glitches that happen far too frequently, multiplayer bugs that can negatively affect equipment and points, and, of course, the ending mess. All, so far, met with silence - the same way customer support treated TOR customers for months (and some would argue are still treating customers).

Whether Bioware is spread too thin and is paying the price or EA has gained too much control - it's anyone's guess. Whatever the case, something seems fundamentally wrong throughout the company.

[MerchantGOL]

Jackal7713 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

I Apologize on behalf of the Mass effect fan base, their young hopefully they will grow up

Apologize for yourself. You represent no one else.

Its like appologizing for an unruly child

even if the child dosent think he did any htign wrong, its still the responsible thing to do.

Where do you get off? First off, speak only for yourself. Second,  adults that don't share your opinion are not children, or childish. Third,  you need to have a coke, a smile and stuf!

its not  the diffrenign oppinion,its the  entightlment, the Down grading of scores on reveiw sites, its the fact every conversation in the forum has the be  some one crying over the same thing over and over and over and over, its the butt hurt "they didnt give me the ending i wanted so iam not gonna play any thing they make, that will show them" attiude. its the  i want it now and i want it for free aguments, its the complete disrespect for the writters creativity.

it is not simply a diffrence of oppinions.

it is like a child who having a temper tantrum in a store cause his parnets wont buy him a new toy, it is that behavior iam apologizing for.

Swtor is from what i herd a Great game made by a completly difrent branch of bioware, Why should the devlopers and people workign on that game, suffer because Team ME didnt live up to your standard?

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 14 mars 2012 - 06:08 .

[Demonburnt]

Just cancelled my sub purely of "i really just don't want to deal with this".

The game is amazing but you just lose interested when you know the company that made is just killed the greatest series Ive ever had the chance to experience.

Modifié par Demonburnt, 14 mars 2012 - 06:08 .

[Jake71887]

Captiosus77 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...
Perhaps, but I'm not willing to utterly condemn a whole company... I have said that my faith is shaken, and I may not buy DLC or preorder and buy collector's edition... But I cannot entirely boycott a company over this, I have to give them the chance to make ammends.

Well, my question - and I'm too tired to be sarcastic, so please don't misinterpret - is how many times do you have to have your faith shaken before you decide it's not worth supporting a company or product?

For me, my faith in BW was shaken with DA2. It was enough to rattle the foundation but I passed it off as an an isolated occurrance. Then came TOR. After a month and a half into TOR, I could no longer pass it off as an isolated occurance because many of the same customer support problems and passing-the-buck posts that plagued DA2 were showing up with TOR. At that point, the foundation started to give way.

ME3 could have been a redeeming product. But there are known texture glitches that happen far too frequently, multiplayer bugs that can negatively affect equipment and points, and, of course, the ending mess. All, so far, met with silence - the same way customer support treated TOR customers for months (and some would argue are still treating customers).

Whether Bioware is spread too thin and is paying the price or EA has gained too much control - it's anyone's guess. Whatever the case, something seems fundamentally wrong throughout the company.

DA2 I forgave as a momentary mistake. 
SWTOR made me realize that Bioware may not be the same as I once knew it. 

But I had to get ME3, I trusted them.... And most of the game was awesome, too much for my faith to have finally been broken. But I'm on the edge, depending on how Bioware handles this.. I'll either be very cautious with future titles, or completely abstain from purchasing. But it's not broken yet, so I'll hold on justa  bit farther.

[xeNNN]

MerchantGOL wrote...

I Apologize on behalf of the Mass effect fan base, their young hopefully they will grow up

since when did boycotting become immature.. 

pfft.

[wesr]

Any money being taken out of their wallet will count as time goes by and word spreads.

[Kloborgg711]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

I Apologize on behalf of the Mass effect fan base, their young hopefully they will grow up

Apologize for yourself. You represent no one else.

Its like appologizing for an unruly child

even if the child dosent think he did any htign wrong, its still the responsible thing to do.

Where do you get off? First off, speak only for yourself. Second,  adults that don't share your opinion are not children, or childish. Third,  you need to have a coke, a smile and stuf!

its not  the diffrenign oppinion,its the  entightlment, the Down grading of scores on reveiw sites, its the fact every conversation in the forum has the be  some one crying over the same thing over and over and over and over, its the butt hurt "they didnt give me the ending i wanted so iam not gonna play any thing they make, that will show them" attiude. its the  i want it now and i want it for free aguments, its the complete disrespect for the writters creativity.

it is not simply a diffrence of oppinions.

it is like a child who having a temper tantrum in a store cause his parnets wont buy him a new toy, it is that behavior iam apologizing for.

Swtor is from what i herd a Great game made by a completly difrent branch of bioware, Why should the devlopers and people workign on that game, suffer because Team ME didnt live up to your standard?

Are you trolling? If not, I'd like to apologize to the world on your behalf. No one deserves to read this. So many fallacies and false analogies, it almost physically hurts.

[Doctoglethorpe]

I'm quitting too.  I just see no point anymore.  Its not just to stick it to them by not giving them money, I literally feel like Bioware games have become meaningless and empty over this.  Its ****ing depressing as hell. 

[Harbinger of Hope]

People, just ignore merchant. He is exactly like those children he claims we are acting like. He just wants attention. Ignore him and he will go away.

[Jackal7713]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

I Apologize on behalf of the Mass effect fan base, their young hopefully they will grow up

Apologize for yourself. You represent no one else.

Its like appologizing for an unruly child

even if the child dosent think he did any htign wrong, its still the responsible thing to do.

Where do you get off? First off, speak only for yourself. Second,  adults that don't share your opinion are not children, or childish. Third,  you need to have a coke, a smile and stuf!

its not  the diffrenign oppinion,its the  entightlment, the Down grading of scores on reveiw sites, its the fact every conversation in the forum has the be  some one crying over the same thing over and over and over and over, its the butt hurt "they didnt give me the ending i wanted so iam not gonna play any thing they make, that will show them" attiude. its the  i want it now and i want it for free aguments, its the complete disrespect for the writters creativity.

it is not simply a diffrence of oppinions.

it is like a child who having a temper tantrum in a store cause his parnets wont buy him a new toy, it is that behavior iam apologizing for.

Swtor is from what i herd a Great game made by a completly difrent branch of bioware, Why should the devlopers and people workign on that game, suffer because Team ME didnt live up to your standard?

 As a consumer, I have the right to complain. You should really point that judgementail finger at yourself before opening your mouth again.

[Game_Fan_85]

I would never "boycott" buying Dragon Age 3 over the Mass Effect 3 debacle because I love the series too much and besides, it is a completely different team of artists and writers so I don't see why they should be punished. Having said that, I can certainly understand people wanting to quit something like an MMORPG that funnels money to EA/BioWare the company. I have no interest in MMORPG's so I am lucky I don't have to make a decision one way or the other in that regard.

[MerchantGOL]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

I Apologize on behalf of the Mass effect fan base, their young hopefully they will grow up

Apologize for yourself. You represent no one else.

Its like appologizing for an unruly child

even if the child dosent think he did any htign wrong, its still the responsible thing to do.

Where do you get off? First off, speak only for yourself. Second,  adults that don't share your opinion are not children, or childish. Third,  you need to have a coke, a smile and stuf!

its not  the diffrenign oppinion,its the  entightlment, the Down grading of scores on reveiw sites, its the fact every conversation in the forum has the be  some one crying over the same thing over and over and over and over, its the butt hurt "they didnt give me the ending i wanted so iam not gonna play any thing they make, that will show them" attiude. its the  i want it now and i want it for free aguments, its the complete disrespect for the writters creativity.

it is not simply a diffrence of oppinions.

it is like a child who having a temper tantrum in a store cause his parnets wont buy him a new toy, it is that behavior iam apologizing for.

Swtor is from what i herd a Great game made by a completly difrent branch of bioware, Why should the devlopers and people workign on that game, suffer because Team ME didnt live up to your standard?

Are you trolling? If not, I'd like to apologize to the world on your behalf. No one deserves to read this. So many fallacies and false analogies, it almost physically hurts.

no iam not trying, as hard as it may be for you to grasp, not every one that disagrees with you, and thinks you all are being childish is, bought off /dub/ or trolling

[Evil_medved]

Yea, i canceled my subscription.

[Jackal7713]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

I Apologize on behalf of the Mass effect fan base, their young hopefully they will grow up

Apologize for yourself. You represent no one else.

Its like appologizing for an unruly child

even if the child dosent think he did any htign wrong, its still the responsible thing to do.

Where do you get off? First off, speak only for yourself. Second,  adults that don't share your opinion are not children, or childish. Third,  you need to have a coke, a smile and stuf!

its not  the diffrenign oppinion,its the  entightlment, the Down grading of scores on reveiw sites, its the fact every conversation in the forum has the be  some one crying over the same thing over and over and over and over, its the butt hurt "they didnt give me the ending i wanted so iam not gonna play any thing they make, that will show them" attiude. its the  i want it now and i want it for free aguments, its the complete disrespect for the writters creativity.

it is not simply a diffrence of oppinions.

it is like a child who having a temper tantrum in a store cause his parnets wont buy him a new toy, it is that behavior iam apologizing for.

Swtor is from what i herd a Great game made by a completly difrent branch of bioware, Why should the devlopers and people workign on that game, suffer because Team ME didnt live up to your standard?

Are you trolling? If not, I'd like to apologize to the world on your behalf. No one deserves to read this. So many fallacies and false analogies, it almost physically hurts.

From how he talks to people on the forums, combined with his profile pic, I just want to Yell BEEFCAKE! BEEFCAKE!!!!!!

[Xandax]

I've not quit TOR because of this (yet), but I'm finding it difficult to motivate myself for playing much and resubbing.

It is strange - all I want is to replay ME1, ME2 and ME3 but just can't see any point knowing that Red/Blue/Green is what I get and ALL my choices in the series becomes completely irrelevant.

Modifié par Xandax, 14 mars 2012 - 06:22 .

[Jake71887]

MerchantGOL wrote...
no iam not trying, as hard as it may be for you to grasp, not every one that disagrees with you, and thinks you all are being childish is, bought off /dub/ or trolling

I've seen your posts in other threads, you are both insulting and borederline troll material, so he may be onto something.

[Greed1914]

SamFlagg wrote...

It boils down to customer loyalty working both ways.

Basically, yeah.  I'm not sure that I would do the same if I played that game, but it's not completely unreasonable.  SWTOR derives part of its sales from the fact that it's made by Bioware.  When you buy one item from a company and like it, you're more likely to buy more.  Apple got crazy rich because it was able to build off of all the good things people had to say about the iPod.  Companies want you to buy more of their stuff simply because it has their name on it, hence the label.  But it goes the other way, too.  When the same label is shared by several products, and you had a major problem with one of them, you aren't likely to buy the other things just because a different division of the same company happened to make it. 

For example, I have had bad experiences with Nike shoes.  Knowing that, I do not have any desire to buy shirts with the Nike label because of those shoes. 

[Wowlock]

I have many friends playing the game and not finished yet...and those who finished are as upset as me...

I don't know if they will quit because of it but they won't be buying anythingelse from Bioware and with the recent ''lack'' of developements in SWTOR .... I can see they are losing more subs than they should.

They bring the next patch in this desperate times though.... it may patch some wounds but it won't heal the scar.

[GuyWithFace]

I quit SWTOR because it sucked.

[JamesYHT]

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

BioWare is BioWare, people who are mad about the Mass Effect 3 endings are mad at BioWare. If you're mad at BioWare but still giving them money for SWTOR, you're not really mad at them, you're just pretending you are.

Maybe if more and more people quit SWTOR, BioWare will take the hint a bit faster.

They are still two different divisions of Bioware... 

SWTOR took the lead writer from Mass Effect, I'm of the opinion that if Drew didn't leave the Mass Effect team, both 2 and 3 would have been better.  I can't say that for certain though but at least we would have got better endings.

I also believe the decline in the quality of the BioWare games comes from the fact that they have spread their talent too thin, maybe if SWTOR dies, they can go back to doing what they do best and making the best single player RPGs.

agree, same thing happened to Blizzard, they are so focus on WOW and they slow down their development in single-player games. I'm not sure if their quality dropped.

[GuyWithFace]

MerchantGOL wrote...
 its not  the diffrenign oppinion,its the  entightlment, the Down grading of scores on reveiw sites, its the fact every conversation in the forum has the be  some one crying over the same thing over and over and over and over, its the butt hurt "they didnt give me the ending i wanted so iam not gonna play any thing they make, that will show them" attiude. its the  i want it now and i want it for free aguments, its the complete disrespect for the writters creativity.

it is not simply a diffrence of oppinions.

it is like a child who having a temper tantrum in a store cause his parnets wont buy him a new toy, it is that behavior iam apologizing for.

Swtor is from what i herd a Great game made by a completly difrent branch of bioware, Why should the devlopers and people workign on that game, suffer because Team ME didnt live up to your standard?

No, it's called "I've lost my faith in this company and their empty promises, and I'm going to show them that with my wallet."

[SirJeal]

I also cancelled my subscription.

[Gulkin]

I think the 20 they will lose a lot of costumers. I quited too, was bored a little but I was waiting for the 1.2. Now I don't trust them. Why should I wait?

Oh btw 10 in your guild that mean a lot of ppl really quit over this. More than I expected myself.

Modifié par Gulkin, 14 mars 2012 - 06:28 .

[Greed1914]

Jake71887 wrote...

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

BioWare is BioWare, people who are mad about the Mass Effect 3 endings are mad at BioWare. If you're mad at BioWare but still giving them money for SWTOR, you're not really mad at them, you're just pretending you are.

Maybe if more and more people quit SWTOR, BioWare will take the hint a bit faster.

They are still two different divisions of Bioware...

See what I wrote in my previous post to understand why people might do this.

I'll summarize for you. They put the Bioware name on all games made by the various divisions of Bioware because they want to generate sales through the goodwill that the name brings. This goes the opposite way, too. If you have a bad experience with one company's product, it's not unreasonable to think you might have a problem with other products or that you might want to take your business elsewhere.

If I buy a bad pair of shoes from a clothing manufacturer, do I turn around and buy a shirt from them? No.
If I go to a store and I happen to like their merchandise but their customer service stinks, I'm not going keep going there. Even if the products and customer service are separate, they still fall under the same umbrella.