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[Rafe34]

Persephone wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

ognick23 wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Jellyfish Opera wrote...

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

Good to hear, I liked the game too, more than I would've thought. I like it more than Mass Effect 2, don't know if I would put it above Mass Effect though, I haven't given it much thought.

Sorry if anyone here is being a jackass.

Thank you, I'm not upset with anyone voicing their opinion (maybe I a little annoyed that I have to keep repeating why I enjoyed the ending), everyone has a right to their opinion and I respect that.

You are not alone in enjoying the ending, many others did so too including myself.

Congrats, you're one of the 3% who did.

You're welcome to keep your ending, the rest of us would like an option for Shepard not to bow to the will of the Reaper God-Child.

where'd u get that percentage from huh? link or it didnt happen

Right here. It's down to 2% actually: 
http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/ 

And people who say that just because we "only" have 45,000 votes out of millions of copies sold means we're in the minority are a bunch of morons who don't understand how polls work AT ALL. Presidential polls are done with far less people.

Sure it's probably not 98% unhappy with the endings as is. But it sure as hell leads one to think its a very large majority. You certainly don't have any evidence, at all, that it's the other way around. 

Please, feel free to link to a poll that has the majority, 51%, not even a vast majority, just a simple majority, that says the endings are okay with, hmm, let's say 1/10 as many votes. (4k+) (Hint: There isn't one.)

Because quantity determines quality. Uh Huh.

Waiting for that poll that says the opposite...

Basically, the thing is, we have put forward evidence that says the vast majority of people say that the endings are not satisfactory.

You have no evidence to the contrary, no poll that says people actually like the endings.

So... you kinda need to come up with some in order for this to be a serious argument.

[string3r]

TC is indoctrinated.

[ognick23]

Vasarkian wrote...

Viyu wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Alien1099 wrote...

Good for you. Some people enjoy drinking urine. Doesn't mean it tastes good. Mass Effect 3 was a very good or even great game that was ruined by the ending.

And people wonder why this fandom's reputation is as low as it is.

Bandwagon hopping and entitled hysteria. Sickening. (And I don't even like the endings all that much)

Why don't you ask him the better question. How does he know what urine tastes like? Anyway, I'm sick of people saying we're entitled *points to sig* They said multiple endings. So they need to fix this false advertising SNAFU.

A large amount of guys have probably had urine before. Usually what happens is guys urinate in gatorade bottles or something similar on trips or car-rides and then accidentally drink it or another guy does.

lmao what kinda car rides do you go on?

[AtreiyaN7]

Wise Men wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Don't worry about it - some of us enjoyed the experience as well. As for the others who seem to have a profound need to vent and insult anyone who did enjoy it...well, just ignore them. Apparently, they can't stand for anyone else to be happy if they're not.

I love your sig. 

Yes, I was watching an episode of Alfred hitchcock Presents, and Hitch used it right at the end of the episode - can't remember the title of that particular episode. What I do remember is that it did not show what happened at the very end, but one was able to infer what happened (some thinking required, yes). I started using it quite a while back in reference to the DA2 ending.

It does occur to me that it also applies to this situation, but in all seriousness, despite the quote, I really, really was/sort of still am supportive of those who want alternate endings (and if BW had something in the works in the first place & this is part of the plan, great). If FO3 could be altred slightly, well, anything's possible. However, some of the insulting posts in here are starting to make me take them a lot less seriously. 

[Rafe34]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Assigning a percentage is perfectly valid when there is a poll of 45,000 people that says 2-3% like the endings.

And if you think 45k isn't enough to get a feel for how the fanbase feels, then you have no idea how polls work.

How about the 7% who just don't like the Normandy scene but are perfectly fine with everything else? Because you know what, I am one of those. ( though I don't feel it's a stab in the back, rather I feel it should have been done better ).

A valid point. However, the OP said he was extremely happy with the ending.

But we can even take out. So 10% of people feel the ending is somewhat satisfactory. Still a vast majority, (90%), that say otherwise and changes nothing about the argument.

[Dave of Canada]

Rafe34 wrote...

Assigning a percentage is perfectly valid when there is a poll of 45,000 people that says 2-3% like the endings.

And if you think 45k isn't enough to get a feel for how the fanbase feels, then you have no idea how polls work.

It's a bad percentage when you drop it in a biased area. Try elsewhere, vary your polled and introduce those statistics. BSN is almost the only place on the forums burning down because of the endings, everybody else thinks their insane.

[Rafe34]

ognick23 wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

Viyu wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Alien1099 wrote...

Good for you. Some people enjoy drinking urine. Doesn't mean it tastes good. Mass Effect 3 was a very good or even great game that was ruined by the ending.

And people wonder why this fandom's reputation is as low as it is.

Bandwagon hopping and entitled hysteria. Sickening. (And I don't even like the endings all that much)

Why don't you ask him the better question. How does he know what urine tastes like? Anyway, I'm sick of people saying we're entitled *points to sig* They said multiple endings. So they need to fix this false advertising SNAFU.

A large amount of guys have probably had urine before. Usually what happens is guys urinate in gatorade bottles or something similar on trips or car-rides and then accidentally drink it or another guy does.

lmao what kinda car rides do you go on?

I'm not sure we want to know that....

[Vasarkian]

ognick23 wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

Viyu wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Alien1099 wrote...

Good for you. Some people enjoy drinking urine. Doesn't mean it tastes good. Mass Effect 3 was a very good or even great game that was ruined by the ending.

And people wonder why this fandom's reputation is as low as it is.

Bandwagon hopping and entitled hysteria. Sickening. (And I don't even like the endings all that much)

Why don't you ask him the better question. How does he know what urine tastes like? Anyway, I'm sick of people saying we're entitled *points to sig* They said multiple endings. So they need to fix this false advertising SNAFU.

A large amount of guys have probably had urine before. Usually what happens is guys urinate in gatorade bottles or something similar on trips or car-rides and then accidentally drink it or another guy does.

lmao what kinda car rides do you go on?

College road trips, it happens, especially after a long drive with guys that have small bladders.

It wasn't just me, I assure you.

[Dragoonlordz]

Rafe34 wrote...

Waiting for that poll that says the opposite...

Basically, the thing is, we have put forward evidence that says the vast majority of people say that the endings are not satisfactory.

You have no evidence to the contrary, no poll that says people actually like the endings.

So... you kinda need to come up with some in order for this to be a serious argument.

No you have not. You have not proven vast majority at all of the people who bought ME3 or fans of Bioware hate it in the slightest. Do not call people morons by the way for pointing out the fallacy in your grand assumptions based on small amounts of data. People who like content do not generally feel engraged or the need to come on here and moan about the things they do not like, they are the majority and they speak louder with their wallets than the sum total of everyone (fan) on this site. They number in the millions and those of us on this site number in the thousands, as is the case with your poll where merely shows thousands and not the millions of which do not feel the need to come on here and complain. In actuallity the fact that there is not a few million people on here whining shows that they did not hate it so much that they felt the need to take your stance.

To quote myself...

The reason why all those attacking him and even in my own thread where I also stated I enjoyed the ending is because they are petty and bitter people. They treat others with aggression and belittle their stance because they feel that if people show they enjoyed it then their stance is diminished if not "everyone" hates it. That is what is going on in here, that is what happened with DA2 and that is what happened in my thread. 

So stop it before you make yourself look even more immature.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 14 mars 2012 - 07:14 .

[Rafe34]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Assigning a percentage is perfectly valid when there is a poll of 45,000 people that says 2-3% like the endings.

And if you think 45k isn't enough to get a feel for how the fanbase feels, then you have no idea how polls work.

It's a bad percentage when you drop it in a biased area. Try elsewhere, vary your polled and introduce those statistics. BSN is almost the only place on the forums burning down because of the endings, everybody else thinks their insane.

Everybody else? I think you need to do a bit of research. There are several different sites that say otherwise, (GameFront's article on this is fantastic, so is the 3 or 4 on Forbes). Every poll I have seen, regardless of what site its at, has 85-90% of people unhappy with the endings. Every last one. Not a single one shows otherwise.

Amazon is at a 2 out of 5 rating. Metacritic is at a 3-4/10.

Both of which are stupidly low, of course- ME3 is a 7-8ish rated game, but the endings have pissed off so many people that they're giving it 2-3's. That should tell you Bioware screwed up.

[ognick23]

Rafe34 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

ognick23 wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Jellyfish Opera wrote...

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

Good to hear, I liked the game too, more than I would've thought. I like it more than Mass Effect 2, don't know if I would put it above Mass Effect though, I haven't given it much thought.

Sorry if anyone here is being a jackass.

Thank you, I'm not upset with anyone voicing their opinion (maybe I a little annoyed that I have to keep repeating why I enjoyed the ending), everyone has a right to their opinion and I respect that.

You are not alone in enjoying the ending, many others did so too including myself.

Congrats, you're one of the 3% who did.

You're welcome to keep your ending, the rest of us would like an option for Shepard not to bow to the will of the Reaper God-Child.

where'd u get that percentage from huh? link or it didnt happen

Right here. It's down to 2% actually: 
http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/ 

And people who say that just because we "only" have 45,000 votes out of millions of copies sold means we're in the minority are a bunch of morons who don't understand how polls work AT ALL. Presidential polls are done with far less people.

Sure it's probably not 98% unhappy with the endings as is. But it sure as hell leads one to think its a very large majority. You certainly don't have any evidence, at all, that it's the other way around. 

Please, feel free to link to a poll that has the majority, 51%, not even a vast majority, just a simple majority, that says the endings are okay with, hmm, let's say 1/10 as many votes. (4k+) (Hint: There isn't one.)

Because quantity determines quality. Uh Huh.

Waiting for that poll that says the opposite...

Basically, the thing is, we have put forward evidence that says the vast majority of people say that the endings are not satisfactory.

You have no evidence to the contrary, no poll that says people actually like the endings.

So... you kinda need to come up with some in order for this to be a serious argument.

ok well u answered your own question bro, on BSN its 2% out of 45,000 but worldwide its your 45,000 out of a million plus. And if u wanna say "well how many of those people didnt vote" i could say well how many of outside of ur 45,000 didnt vote, are some of those people who gave it 0 out of 10, or just felt like they wanted to be part of the majority? the same thing could be used both ways if ur talking outside of BSN

Modifié par ognick23, 14 mars 2012 - 07:11 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Tazzmission wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I could care less if Shepard sacrifices himself, heck... I expected it. I just wanted it to make sense and tie up the story in a nice bow like Bioware had promised the game would do.

They didn't do it... so we're left with our own theories and imaginative interpretations instead.

they did do it

miranda lives if you romanced her and she stays in hiding after the sancturary mission

legion,grunt,jack ,jacob, kasumi, zaeed samara join you either on the front lines or the crucible depending on how you respond to them and they end up as war assets

your love interest matters   //snip

No.  They did not do it.

We don't know if anyone besides Joker, your LI and Javik survived or not...  We know that they made it to Earth... but we don't know their fates after that.  Heck, we don't even know if Shepard ultimately survived either.  He breathed one breath (after what appeared to be a time of not breathing), but he looked rather badly burned... would he survive those injuries?  Nothing's resolved for sure outside of the Reapers and Relays being destroyed.

Ex)  Mass Effect 2's suicide mission, did the ground team make it to the Normandy?  Yes (or no) because it was confirmed via radio contact with Joker.  You had no idea which way it went until the game's story confirmed it.  There is no such closure or answers in ME3.


See the difference between resolved and unresolved?

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 14 mars 2012 - 07:13 .

[Persephone]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I could care less if Shepard sacrifices himself, heck... I expected it. I just wanted it to make sense and tie up the story in a nice bow like Bioware had promised the game would do.

They didn't do it... so we're left with our own theories and imaginative interpretations instead.

they did do it

miranda lives if you romanced her and she stays in hiding after the sancturary mission

legion,grunt,jack ,jacob, kasumi, zaeed samara join you either on the front lines or the crucible depending on how you respond to them and they end up as war assets

your love interest matters   //snip

No.  They did not do it.

We don't know if anyone besides Joker, your LI and Javik survived or not...  We know that they made it to Earth... but we don't know their fates after that.  Heck, we don't even know if Shepard ultimately survived either.  He breathed one breath (after what appeared to be a time of not breathing), but he looked rather badly burned... would he survive those injuries?  Nothing's resolved for sure outside of the Reapers and Relays being destroyed.

Ex)  Mass Effect 2's suicide mission, did the ground team make it to the Normandy?  Yes (or no) because it was confirmed via radio contact with Joker.  You had no idea which way it went until the game's story clarified it.  There is no such closure in ME3.

So everything MUST be spoon fed to the audience these days?

Back in the day, endings that challenged the audience were appreciated. I.E. "Gone With The Wind". Ocne THAT got its tacked on "closure" and "happy ending" crap, no one was happy with either.

Modifié par Persephone, 14 mars 2012 - 07:16 .

[Rafe34]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Waiting for that poll that says the opposite...

Basically, the thing is, we have put forward evidence that says the vast majority of people say that the endings are not satisfactory.

You have no evidence to the contrary, no poll that says people actually like the endings.

So... you kinda need to come up with some in order for this to be a serious argument.

No you have not. You have not proven vast majority at all of the people who bought ME3 or fans of Bioware hate it in the slightest. Do not call people morons by the way for pointing out the fallacy in your grand assumptions based on small amounts of data. People who like content do not generally feel engraged or the need to come on here and moan about the things they do not like, they are the majority and they speak louder with their wallets than the sum total of everyone (fan) on this site. They number in the millions and those of us on this site number in the thousands, as is the case with your poll where merely shows thousands and not the million who do not feel the need to come on here and complain. In actuallity the fact that there is not a few million people on here whining shows that they did not hate it so much they felt the need to take your stance.

Oh well, I guess all the presidential polls that use only 1,000-2,000 people to get an idea of how the country is feeling are all completely wrong.

You should present your logical, well-thought out argument to Gallup so that they know they need to get everyone's opinion in order to correctly gauge the mood of the public. [/sarcasm]

Your argument is not possible to invalidate. You say, "Oh well, people who love the endings won't come on here and say anything." So its not possible to prove you wrong.

Every single poll, on every site that I have seen one posted, ( about a dozen so far), has 85-90% of people not liking the game. 45,000 people out of 2-3million is a significant sample size. The people on these forums didn't come on here *just* to whine about the ME3 endings, a lot of us are on here for discussing other games. We're hardcore fans- not just negative fans. I came on here and praised BW for DAO, because it was legitimately awesome game. 

We have the evidence that suggests, not proves, but suggests, that most people are unhappy with the endings by taking polls over several different sites, including this one.

Your counter-argument is not any evidence but simply a statement "Well, happy people won't come on and say anything about the endings." It is a well-known fact that people who are negative are more likely to review a product, since they've gotten heated up about it, I'm not disputing that. What I am saying is that when 9/10 people that do review it are negative, you have a problem that can't be explained away simply by using that argument. The real numbers are probably more like 7/10- but that is still a major problem. Comprende?

[Rafe34]

Persephone wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I could care less if Shepard sacrifices himself, heck... I expected it. I just wanted it to make sense and tie up the story in a nice bow like Bioware had promised the game would do.

They didn't do it... so we're left with our own theories and imaginative interpretations instead.

they did do it

miranda lives if you romanced her and she stays in hiding after the sancturary mission

legion,grunt,jack ,jacob, kasumi, zaeed samara join you either on the front lines or the crucible depending on how you respond to them and they end up as war assets

your love interest matters   //snip

No.  They did not do it.

We don't know if anyone besides Joker, your LI and Javik survived or not...  We know that they made it to Earth... but we don't know their fates after that.  Heck, we don't even know if Shepard ultimately survived either.  He breathed one breath (after what appeared to be a time of not breathing), but he looked rather badly burned... would he survive those injuries?  Nothing's resolved for sure outside of the Reapers and Relays being destroyed.

Ex)  Mass Effect 2's suicide mission, did the ground team make it to the Normandy?  Yes (or no) because it was confirmed via radio contact with Joker.  You had no idea which way it went until the game's story clarified it.  There is no such closure in ME3.

So everything MUST be spoon fed to the audience these days?

Back in the day, endings that challenged the audience were appreciated. I.E. "Gone With The Wind". One THAT got its tacked on "closure" and "happy ending" crap, no one was happy with either.

The Bioware devs SPECIFICALLY told us it would NOT be vague, that they would not "pull a Lost on the fanbase" and that it would be definitive. 

All we're talking about wanting here is some sort of epilogue- ala DA:O. Is that so hard to grasp?

[Vasarkian]

We want far more than an Epilogue... I'd be outraged if they only gave that and ignored the whole point of the game not mattering in the end.

We need assets to matter, when assets are properly accounted for in both the final mission and the ending, the situation will change significantly, because the crucible ending is only viable when everything is dead and you're losing and have no choice anyway. When assets matter it will be very different because we're not being omg-wtf pwned.

[Persephone]

Rafe34 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I could care less if Shepard sacrifices himself, heck... I expected it. I just wanted it to make sense and tie up the story in a nice bow like Bioware had promised the game would do.

They didn't do it... so we're left with our own theories and imaginative interpretations instead.

they did do it

miranda lives if you romanced her and she stays in hiding after the sancturary mission

legion,grunt,jack ,jacob, kasumi, zaeed samara join you either on the front lines or the crucible depending on how you respond to them and they end up as war assets

your love interest matters   //snip

No.  They did not do it.

We don't know if anyone besides Joker, your LI and Javik survived or not...  We know that they made it to Earth... but we don't know their fates after that.  Heck, we don't even know if Shepard ultimately survived either.  He breathed one breath (after what appeared to be a time of not breathing), but he looked rather badly burned... would he survive those injuries?  Nothing's resolved for sure outside of the Reapers and Relays being destroyed.

Ex)  Mass Effect 2's suicide mission, did the ground team make it to the Normandy?  Yes (or no) because it was confirmed via radio contact with Joker.  You had no idea which way it went until the game's story clarified it.  There is no such closure in ME3.

So everything MUST be spoon fed to the audience these days?

Back in the day, endings that challenged the audience were appreciated. I.E. "Gone With The Wind". One THAT got its tacked on "closure" and "happy ending" crap, no one was happy with either.

The Bioware devs SPECIFICALLY told us it would NOT be vague, that they would not "pull a Lost on the fanbase" and that it would be definitive. 

All we're talking about wanting here is some sort of epilogue- ala DA:O. Is that so hard to grasp?

And it's not OVER yet, so why get all bent out of shape.

I hate the Dos Boxes Epilogue slides in DAO. So no, I do NOT want that. Ever.

[ognick23]

Rafe34 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Assigning a percentage is perfectly valid when there is a poll of 45,000 people that says 2-3% like the endings.

And if you think 45k isn't enough to get a feel for how the fanbase feels, then you have no idea how polls work.

It's a bad percentage when you drop it in a biased area. Try elsewhere, vary your polled and introduce those statistics. BSN is almost the only place on the forums burning down because of the endings, everybody else thinks their insane.

Everybody else? I think you need to do a bit of research. There are several different sites that say otherwise, (GameFront's article on this is fantastic, so is the 3 or 4 on Forbes). Every poll I have seen, regardless of what site its at, has 85-90% of people unhappy with the endings. Every last one. Not a single one shows otherwise.

Amazon is at a 2 out of 5 rating. Metacritic is at a 3-4/10.

Both of which are stupidly low, of course- ME3 is a 7-8ish rated game, but the endings have pissed off so many people that they're giving it 2-3's. That should tell you Bioware screwed up.

but think about it if 100,000 people say they dont like the ending and the game sold 2.5 million copies then what percentage is that? im sure u could say that those other people just migth not have voted but we dont know so outside of BSN percentages dont really matter. And who cares about Metacritic and Amazon when i can give u about 10 other bigger names sites that give it 10/10

[Mako Zalos]

I agree with you to some degree OP. Everything, and IMHO everything< was perfect up until the space god/boy thing came into the story, after that it was all plotholes. Though I don't think the game deserves anything below a 4 star rating I mean the game was perfect up until that point, but hey just my opinion.

[Rafe34]

ognick23 wrote...
ok well u answered your own question bro, on BSN its 2% out of 45,000 but worldwide its your 45,000 out of a million plus. And if u wanna say "well how many of those people didnt vote" i could say well how many of outside of ur 45,000 didnt vote, are some of those people who gave it 0 out of 10, or just felt like they wanted to be part of the majority? the same thing could be used both ways if ur talking outside of BSN

There is no more sense in talking with you. You have no grasp of the way polls work, and obviously no intention of actually having a discussion on the topic.

I suggest you do a bit of research to educate yourself before continuing to make yourself look like a fool on the issue.

Modifié par Rafe34, 14 mars 2012 - 07:19 .

[ognick23]

Rafe34 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Waiting for that poll that says the opposite...

Basically, the thing is, we have put forward evidence that says the vast majority of people say that the endings are not satisfactory.

You have no evidence to the contrary, no poll that says people actually like the endings.

So... you kinda need to come up with some in order for this to be a serious argument.

No you have not. You have not proven vast majority at all of the people who bought ME3 or fans of Bioware hate it in the slightest. Do not call people morons by the way for pointing out the fallacy in your grand assumptions based on small amounts of data. People who like content do not generally feel engraged or the need to come on here and moan about the things they do not like, they are the majority and they speak louder with their wallets than the sum total of everyone (fan) on this site. They number in the millions and those of us on this site number in the thousands, as is the case with your poll where merely shows thousands and not the million who do not feel the need to come on here and complain. In actuallity the fact that there is not a few million people on here whining shows that they did not hate it so much they felt the need to take your stance.

Oh well, I guess all the presidential polls that use only 1,000-2,000 people to get an idea of how the country is feeling are all completely wrong.

You should present your logical, well-thought out argument to Gallup so that they know they need to get everyone's opinion in order to correctly gauge the mood of the public. [/sarcasm]

Your argument is not possible to invalidate. You say, "Oh well, people who love the endings won't come on here and say anything." So its not possible to prove you wrong.

Every single poll, on every site that I have seen one posted, ( about a dozen so far), has 85-90% of people not liking the game. 45,000 people out of 2-3million is a significant sample size. The people on these forums didn't come on here *just* to whine about the ME3 endings, a lot of us are on here for discussing other games. We're hardcore fans- not just negative fans. I came on here and praised BW for DAO, because it was legitimately awesome game. 

We have the evidence that suggests, not proves, but suggests, that most people are unhappy with the endings by taking polls over several different sites, including this one.

Your counter-argument is not any evidence but simply a statement "Well, happy people won't come on and say anything about the endings." It is a well-known fact that people who are negative are more likely to review a product, since they've gotten heated up about it, I'm not disputing that. What I am saying is that when 9/10 people that do review it are negative, you have a problem that can't be explained away simply by using that argument. The real numbers are probably more like 7/10- but that is still a major problem. Comprende?

thats exactly how Bush got voted in twice

[Rafe34]

ognick23 wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Waiting for that poll that says the opposite...

Basically, the thing is, we have put forward evidence that says the vast majority of people say that the endings are not satisfactory.

You have no evidence to the contrary, no poll that says people actually like the endings.

So... you kinda need to come up with some in order for this to be a serious argument.

No you have not. You have not proven vast majority at all of the people who bought ME3 or fans of Bioware hate it in the slightest. Do not call people morons by the way for pointing out the fallacy in your grand assumptions based on small amounts of data. People who like content do not generally feel engraged or the need to come on here and moan about the things they do not like, they are the majority and they speak louder with their wallets than the sum total of everyone (fan) on this site. They number in the millions and those of us on this site number in the thousands, as is the case with your poll where merely shows thousands and not the million who do not feel the need to come on here and complain. In actuallity the fact that there is not a few million people on here whining shows that they did not hate it so much they felt the need to take your stance.

Oh well, I guess all the presidential polls that use only 1,000-2,000 people to get an idea of how the country is feeling are all completely wrong.

You should present your logical, well-thought out argument to Gallup so that they know they need to get everyone's opinion in order to correctly gauge the mood of the public. [/sarcasm]

Your argument is not possible to invalidate. You say, "Oh well, people who love the endings won't come on here and say anything." So its not possible to prove you wrong.

Every single poll, on every site that I have seen one posted, ( about a dozen so far), has 85-90% of people not liking the game. 45,000 people out of 2-3million is a significant sample size. The people on these forums didn't come on here *just* to whine about the ME3 endings, a lot of us are on here for discussing other games. We're hardcore fans- not just negative fans. I came on here and praised BW for DAO, because it was legitimately awesome game. 

We have the evidence that suggests, not proves, but suggests, that most people are unhappy with the endings by taking polls over several different sites, including this one.

Your counter-argument is not any evidence but simply a statement "Well, happy people won't come on and say anything about the endings." It is a well-known fact that people who are negative are more likely to review a product, since they've gotten heated up about it, I'm not disputing that. What I am saying is that when 9/10 people that do review it are negative, you have a problem that can't be explained away simply by using that argument. The real numbers are probably more like 7/10- but that is still a major problem. Comprende?

thats exactly how Bush got voted in twice

You're talking about polls that showed Kerry was ahead by like 51-49 and it turned out it was 51-49 the other way. Not a poll that showed Kerry was ahead 90-10 and it turned out to be 51-49 the other way.

[Fidget6]

You guys are a bunch of @sshats. Stop killing the OP's buzz!

Modifié par Fidget6, 14 mars 2012 - 07:21 .

[ognick23]

Rafe34 wrote...

ognick23 wrote...
ok well u answered your own question bro, on BSN its 2% out of 45,000 but worldwide its your 45,000 out of a million plus. And if u wanna say "well how many of those people didnt vote" i could say well how many of outside of ur 45,000 didnt vote, are some of those people who gave it 0 out of 10, or just felt like they wanted to be part of the majority? the same thing could be used both ways if ur talking outside of BSN

There is no more sense in talking with you. You have no grasp of the way polls work, and obviously no intention of actually having a discussion on the topic.

I suggest you do a bit of research to educate yourself before continuing to make yourself look like a fool on the issue.

lmao you dont have to talk to me anymore bro im happy with my game ur the one who's not getting a "better ending" good luck with that

[Rafe34]

Persephone wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I could care less if Shepard sacrifices himself, heck... I expected it. I just wanted it to make sense and tie up the story in a nice bow like Bioware had promised the game would do.

They didn't do it... so we're left with our own theories and imaginative interpretations instead.

they did do it

miranda lives if you romanced her and she stays in hiding after the sancturary mission

legion,grunt,jack ,jacob, kasumi, zaeed samara join you either on the front lines or the crucible depending on how you respond to them and they end up as war assets

your love interest matters   //snip

No.  They did not do it.

We don't know if anyone besides Joker, your LI and Javik survived or not...  We know that they made it to Earth... but we don't know their fates after that.  Heck, we don't even know if Shepard ultimately survived either.  He breathed one breath (after what appeared to be a time of not breathing), but he looked rather badly burned... would he survive those injuries?  Nothing's resolved for sure outside of the Reapers and Relays being destroyed.

Ex)  Mass Effect 2's suicide mission, did the ground team make it to the Normandy?  Yes (or no) because it was confirmed via radio contact with Joker.  You had no idea which way it went until the game's story clarified it.  There is no such closure in ME3.

So everything MUST be spoon fed to the audience these days?

Back in the day, endings that challenged the audience were appreciated. I.E. "Gone With The Wind". One THAT got its tacked on "closure" and "happy ending" crap, no one was happy with either.

The Bioware devs SPECIFICALLY told us it would NOT be vague, that they would not "pull a Lost on the fanbase" and that it would be definitive. 

All we're talking about wanting here is some sort of epilogue- ala DA:O. Is that so hard to grasp?

And it's not OVER yet, so why get all bent out of shape.

I hate the Dos Boxes Epilogue slides in DAO. So no, I do NOT want that. Ever.

What do you mean its not OVER yet?

And I'd rather have those to let you know how your choices impacted everyone than nothing at all.