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[Persephone]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Persephone wrote...
Better company than melodramatic, entitled fanbrats, I gotta say.:innocent:

Actually, we ARE entitled.
BioWare make a game for their fans, who pay their wages by buying it. We are not talking about some obscure artist uploading his garage recordings to YouTube.

That guy can go "hey, its for me, if you dont like it dont watch". A company whose business is making games cant. Not if they want to stay in business, at any rate.

You are in NO WAY entitled to tell ANYONE how to finish their own creation. Don't like it? Don't buy it, like an adult.

So totally wrong.  When it's for sale, customers are entitled to say whatever they want.  This isn't some free "gift" from Bioware.  We're investors... and investors can say whatever they want about what they're investing in.

And did you really try to take the "Don't like it don't buy it" stance?  Think it through... who knew about this ending before they bought it.  Seriously, calm down and think things through.

Try barging into a business and harass the people there about their products. See how far it'll get you. No, you are NOT entitled to say "whatever you want".

Yes, vote with your wallet until you get what you like and stop cluttering up the forum with gazillions of threads on the endings. I WOULD like to discuss the game itself at some point.

[Rafe34]

Persephone wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

Hang on to that feeling and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.

This. I envy you OP, and that's not trying to be condescending. I really really want to enjoy it because at the moment it's souring the entire series for me.

Why? I would have liked better endings myself but I don't get the "This ruined the whole series for meeeee!" melodrama. ME3 had moments of greatness the other two could never touch. And nothing will take that away from me.

Because the moments of greatness mean nothing in the end.

The sacrifice of certain people to save an entire race, if you know what I mean, doesn't matter because that race will now starve to death in the Sol system due to only having FTL travel and no way they have enough dextro-based food to make it back.

And that's what makes it POWERFULLY TRAGIC rather than meaning "nothing". That's what I actually like about it.

No that's what makes it NONSENSICAL.

Why does Shepard give up and accept the LEADER OF THE ENEMY'S options? Why doesn't she fight back?

How can you go back and play the game again knowing that what Mordin did is completely meaningless? That makes it dark and grim just for the sake of being dark and grim.  It's not good writing to completely rip off the original Deus Ex for its ending, toss it into the ME universe, and say "Yeah, so, all those choices we specifically told you prior to release were going to matter? Yeah we lied, they don't matter. But here's DE's endings, enjoy!"

[Tirigon]

Could you please stop making pyramide quotes?

[xsdob]

Rafe34 wrote...

ognick23 wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Jellyfish Opera wrote...

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

Good to hear, I liked the game too, more than I would've thought. I like it more than Mass Effect 2, don't know if I would put it above Mass Effect though, I haven't given it much thought.

Sorry if anyone here is being a jackass.

Thank you, I'm not upset with anyone voicing their opinion (maybe I a little annoyed that I have to keep repeating why I enjoyed the ending), everyone has a right to their opinion and I respect that.

You are not alone in enjoying the ending, many others did so too including myself.

Congrats, you're one of the 3% who did.

You're welcome to keep your ending, the rest of us would like an option for Shepard not to bow to the will of the Reaper God-Child.

where'd u get that percentage from huh? link or it didnt happen

Right here. It's down to 2% actually: 
http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/ 

And people who say that just because we "only" have 45,000 votes out of millions of copies sold means we're in the minority are a bunch of morons who don't understand how polls work AT ALL. Presidential polls are done with far less people.

Sure it's probably not 98% unhappy with the endings as is. But it sure as hell leads one to think its a very large majority. You certainly don't have any evidence, at all, that it's the other way around. 

Please, feel free to link to a poll that has the majority, 51%, not even a vast majority, just a simple majority, that says the endings are okay with, hmm, let's say 1/10 as many votes. (4k+) (Hint: There isn't one.)

This poll is invalid, because it is done on a place known for having a bias against bioware. Polls are conducted by sending random people the survey's to fill out. This ensures, to some degree, a diverse and fairly representative view of the targeted group. They do not send out surveys  to only a single group of people meeting at a single place, those types of polls are usually dismissed for being too concentrated.

If I polled a prison to see how many people would like their to be no more prisions, the numbers would show a majority. If I polled a starbucks to see how many people would like their to be more starbucks, the numbers would show a majority. If I polled only texas to see how many people thought that texas should be made the new location of the white house, it would show a majority.

Your poll is located on the BSN, why should I believe that your your poll doesn't just reflect the opinions of the BSN, and not the majority of people who bought this game and don't go on these forums.

Modifié par xsdob, 14 mars 2012 - 07:50 .

[Sentr0]

Persephone wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Persephone wrote...
Better company than melodramatic, entitled fanbrats, I gotta say.:innocent:

Actually, we ARE entitled.
BioWare make a game for their fans, who pay their wages by buying it. We are not talking about some obscure artist uploading his garage recordings to YouTube.

That guy can go "hey, its for me, if you dont like it dont watch". A company whose business is making games cant. Not if they want to stay in business, at any rate.

You are in NO WAY entitled to tell ANYONE how to finish their own creation. Don't like it? Don't buy it, like an adult.

Then give our money back, since you (bioware) lied to us: ending(s) were supposed to be the opposite of what they actually are. You dont trust me? Look for yourself:

youtu.be/gVfOkk-pclU

[Mr. Gogeta34]

The poorest of games will have that one guy (or girl) that stands up and says "I thought it was great."


But the general consensus is... the complete opposite. (That's not to say ME3 as a whole wasn't spectacular... but call a spade a spade and if you're trying to make excuses, drop it... they don't work.)

[ognick23]

lol what are u guys gonna do when its March 2013 and you still have the same ending?

[Rafe34]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I would bet on it not having flopped at all. BSN jumps up and down and throws hissy fits and toys out the pram at the slightest element they dislike. With each new title they get more arrogant and agressive. They most of the time feel Bioware owes them when they do not actually owe them anymore than what is written on the box or label of the product. After a few weeks to a month from releasing a new game these forums tend to get more civil and those ranting and attacking other people who might have enjoyed something they did not tends to get lower in occurrence even if does not vanish completley. Honestley with fans like some of those on here, the phrase "with friends lke you, who needs enemies" could be applied with great validity. This post this thread served one purpose to let Bioware know the OP enjoyed what he bought, he did not go into other threads and attack them but you feel you have the right and entitled (some of you) to attack his thread because he liked something you did not. Grow up and take a good long look at yourselves in the mirror. 

I notice you didn't answer the point. Because it's not answerable. The boards were not like this at all for ME1 or ME2. Sure people didn't like it, but it was nowhere near the vast majority opinion we have on the ME3 endings, 90-10. So obviously, these forums are not just for people who are whiny and entitled and only come on here if they don't like a game, since we loved ME1 and ME2.

It also had vastly less user and members, I also stated it has got worse over time the fans immature attitudes and that is why it is worse now than prior. I answered the question you just did not acknowledge it.

I'm sensing a pattern in your answers. Evidence is presented contrary to your viewpoint. You respond with an excuse why that evidence doesn't matter and present no evidence of your own to prove your viewpoint. Rinse and repeat.

You're not worth the time anymore, lol. Nothing I say or present is going to make an impact, obviously.

Have fun in your little fantasy world where evidence obviously doesn't matter.

[Costin_Razvan]

Persephone: You mean you want the TIM bashing to come back? Because it will.

[Tirigon]

xsdob wrote...


This poll is invalid, because it is done on a place known for having a bias against bioware.

If BioWare's VERY OWN FORUMS are a place with a BIAS AGAINST BIOWARE, that alone shows there is something not right about what they do.

[Rafe34]

ognick23 wrote...

lol what are u guys gonna do when its March 2013 and you still have the same ending?

Not buy any more Bioware products? That's pretty much the general idea here. Give us the product you promised us, or we can't trust you to actually do what you say anymore.

[Sentr0]

xsdob wrote...

This poll is invalid, because it is done on a place known for having a bias against bioware. Polls are conducted by sending random people the survey's to fill out. This ensures, to some degree, a diverse and fairly representative view of the targeted group. They do not send out surveys  to only a single group of people meeting at a single place, those types of polls are usually dismissed for being too concentrated.

If I polled a prison to see how many people would like their to be no more prisions, the numbers would show a majority. If I polled a starbucks to see how many people would like their to be more starbucks, the numbers would show a majority. If I polled only texas to see how many people thought that texas should be made the new location of the white house, it would show a majority.

Your poll is located on the BSN, why should I believe that your your poll doesn't just reflect the opinions of the BSN, and not the majority of people who bought this game and don't go on these forums.

PS: what you said makes no sense

Modifié par Sentr0, 14 mars 2012 - 07:53 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Rafe34 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I would bet on it not having flopped at all. BSN jumps up and down and throws hissy fits and toys out the pram at the slightest element they dislike. With each new title they get more arrogant and agressive. They most of the time feel Bioware owes them when they do not actually owe them anymore than what is written on the box or label of the product. After a few weeks to a month from releasing a new game these forums tend to get more civil and those ranting and attacking other people who might have enjoyed something they did not tends to get lower in occurrence even if does not vanish completley. Honestley with fans like some of those on here, the phrase "with friends lke you, who needs enemies" could be applied with great validity. This post this thread served one purpose to let Bioware know the OP enjoyed what he bought, he did not go into other threads and attack them but you feel you have the right and entitled (some of you) to attack his thread because he liked something you did not. Grow up and take a good long look at yourselves in the mirror. 

I notice you didn't answer the point. Because it's not answerable. The boards were not like this at all for ME1 or ME2. Sure people didn't like it, but it was nowhere near the vast majority opinion we have on the ME3 endings, 90-10. So obviously, these forums are not just for people who are whiny and entitled and only come on here if they don't like a game, since we loved ME1 and ME2.

It also had vastly less user and members, I also stated it has got worse over time the fans immature attitudes and that is why it is worse now than prior. I answered the question you just did not acknowledge it.

I'm sensing a pattern in your answers. Evidence is presented contrary to your viewpoint. You respond with an excuse why that evidence doesn't matter and present no evidence of your own to prove your viewpoint. Rinse and repeat.

You're not worth the time anymore, lol. Nothing I say or present is going to make an impact, obviously.

Have fun in your little fantasy world where evidence obviously doesn't matter.

Ironically I am the one having fun because I enjoyed the game while you did not. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 14 mars 2012 - 07:54 .

[Persephone]

Rafe34 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

Hang on to that feeling and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.

This. I envy you OP, and that's not trying to be condescending. I really really want to enjoy it because at the moment it's souring the entire series for me.

Why? I would have liked better endings myself but I don't get the "This ruined the whole series for meeeee!" melodrama. ME3 had moments of greatness the other two could never touch. And nothing will take that away from me.

Because the moments of greatness mean nothing in the end.

The sacrifice of certain people to save an entire race, if you know what I mean, doesn't matter because that race will now starve to death in the Sol system due to only having FTL travel and no way they have enough dextro-based food to make it back.

And that's what makes it POWERFULLY TRAGIC rather than meaning "nothing". That's what I actually like about it.

No that's what makes it NONSENSICAL.

Why does Shepard give up and accept the LEADER OF THE ENEMY'S options? Why doesn't she fight back?

Are you done posting effin' SPOILERS? Ah, sacrifices made for nothing are nonsensical.... God, the idiocy!

My guess is either indoctrination or utter exhaustion. She broke down in her own blood only moments before.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

"Why does Shepard give up and accept the LEADER OF THE ENEMY'S options? Why doesn't she fight back?"

Seriously. My Shepard would have responded, "That's bull****."

[Tirigon]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Persephone: You mean you want the TIM bashing to come back? Because it will.

Bashing TIM, and on the DA forums Loghain, was a very entertaining pastime though. You may not believe it but I still remember how I enjoyed discussing about Loghain with you, KnightOfPhoenix and some others over a year ago

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Persephone wrote...
Try barging into a business and harass the people there about their products. See how far it'll get you. No, you are NOT entitled to say "whatever you want".

Yes, vote with your wallet until you get what you like and stop cluttering up the forum with gazillions of threads on the endings. I WOULD like to discuss the game itself at some point.

This is the place you talk, discuss, and rant... that's what these boards are made for.  You've got the completely wrong idea out the gate.  No one's barging into a business and harassing people about their products... you say your opinion, others say theirs...

Know what you're getting into before you start a public discussion topic... especailly if the topic already has a majority leaning and you want to proclaim the opposite as true.

Yes, customers are entitled to say whatever they want.  When they pay for a good, they can say it's awesome or it sucks.  If they're angry/happy, they can keep saying it.  They have that right.

No one's stopping you from discussing the game... start a topic right now...

[Rafe34]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I would bet on it not having flopped at all. BSN jumps up and down and throws hissy fits and toys out the pram at the slightest element they dislike. With each new title they get more arrogant and agressive. They most of the time feel Bioware owes them when they do not actually owe them anymore than what is written on the box or label of the product. After a few weeks to a month from releasing a new game these forums tend to get more civil and those ranting and attacking other people who might have enjoyed something they did not tends to get lower in occurrence even if does not vanish completley. Honestley with fans like some of those on here, the phrase "with friends lke you, who needs enemies" could be applied with great validity. This post this thread served one purpose to let Bioware know the OP enjoyed what he bought, he did not go into other threads and attack them but you feel you have the right and entitled (some of you) to attack his thread because he liked something you did not. Grow up and take a good long look at yourselves in the mirror. 

I notice you didn't answer the point. Because it's not answerable. The boards were not like this at all for ME1 or ME2. Sure people didn't like it, but it was nowhere near the vast majority opinion we have on the ME3 endings, 90-10. So obviously, these forums are not just for people who are whiny and entitled and only come on here if they don't like a game, since we loved ME1 and ME2.

It also had vastly less user and members, I also stated it has got worse over time the fans immature attitudes and that is why it is worse now than prior. I answered the question you just did not acknowledge it.

I'm sensing a pattern in your answers. Evidence is presented contrary to your viewpoint. You respond with an excuse why that evidence doesn't matter and present no evidence of your own to prove your viewpoint. Rinse and repeat.

You're not worth the time anymore, lol. Nothing I say or present is going to make an impact, obviously.

Have fun in your little fantasy world where evidence obviously doesn't matter.

Ironically I am the one having fun because I enjoyed the game while you did not. 

Ignorance is bliss, indeed.

Actually, though you're incorrect. I vastly enjoyed 99% of the game, and the MP.

I just want the last 1% to correctly reflect my decisions over the past three games and to make sense. It doesn't even have to be happy, just definitive.

[Persephone]

Tirigon wrote...

xsdob wrote...


This poll is invalid, because it is done on a place known for having a bias against bioware.

If BioWare's VERY OWN FORUMS are a place with a BIAS AGAINST BIOWARE, that alone shows there is something not right about what they do.

Or maybe that their "fandom" is more known for harassing/threatening devs and behaving immaturely? Even TES fans aren't as notorious in that regard.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

ognick23 wrote...

lol what are u guys gonna do when its March 2013 and you still have the same ending?

See if Bioware truly listens to their customers and fans... or whether that too... was just a lie.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 14 mars 2012 - 07:57 .

[xsdob]

Glad to see the devolving of this thread going on schedule. Now all we need is a racially incentive comment and a spam war and this thread will complete it's natural life cycle of getting locked down.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Yeah everyone keep their emotions in check.  Whether you liked the ending or not has nothing to do with whether or not the game ended with plot holes and plot gaps.
Let those who enjoy it, enjoy it.  And let those who don't, continue to rant.

[Persephone]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Persephone wrote...
Try barging into a business and harass the people there about their products. See how far it'll get you. No, you are NOT entitled to say "whatever you want".

Yes, vote with your wallet until you get what you like and stop cluttering up the forum with gazillions of threads on the endings. I WOULD like to discuss the game itself at some point.

This is the place you talk, discuss, and rant... that's what these boards are made for.  You've got the completely wrong idea out the gate.  No one's barging into a business and harassing people about their products... you say your opinion, others say theirs...

Know what you're getting into before you start a public discussion topic... especailly if the topic already has a majority leaning and you want to proclaim the opposite as true.

Yes, customers are entitled to say whatever they want.  When they pay for a good, they can say it's awesome or it sucks.  If they're angry/happy, they can keep saying it.  They have that right.

No one's stopping you from discussing the game... start a topic right now...

Done yelling?

Missed the threads about bombarding/harassing Bioware, did you? About making PAX hell for them?

I don't give a damn about the "majority" and their entitled nonsense.

No, they cannot say "whatever" they want. They can review the game positively or negatively. Buy or refuse to buy more. Anything beyond that is ridiculous.

[Rafe34]

Persephone wrote...

Are you done posting effin' SPOILERS? Ah, sacrifices made for nothing are nonsensical.... God, the idiocy!

My guess is either indoctrination or utter exhaustion. She broke down in her own blood only moments before.

That's not why its nonsensical, at all. Its nonsensical because the ending simply doesn't fit the ME universe.

And if this entire thing was just a setup and she was indoctrinated, then its an entirely different situation. My problem is with the endings as they are now.

I sure as hell hope that theory is correct, but I don't see why BW wouldn't have said something on that matter by now.

[aksoileau]

I really wanted to like the endings, but when you can literally make a laundry list of everything that's wrong with it, then something isn't right. I've been playing bioware games a very long time and this has been the first time that something is clearly off.

I can't use my imagination when there is nothing to imagine. Shall I imagine all of the survivors rot on earth that's clearly barren now with geth, krogan, turians, quarians, humans, batarians, drell, hanar, elcor, and maybe a single prothean?

Thats pretty crap to imagine, but that's what it is. Where's the catharsis in that?