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[mrs_anomaly]

Apocalypsa wrote...

I can't comprehend how you can be anti-anything that doesn't affect your own life in any way. Sexuality, religion, skin colour, favourite icecream.

Now I'm going offtopic again. Sorry. Please pm me if anyone is up for debate on this.

In all seriousness, if you cannot comprehend this concept, well- or at least see how it is enacted in various ways everyday all the time everywhere I would suggest you read some history. 

[BurningLiquor]

Cricketer15 wrote...

Why can't we all just get along? Dear god...

You should know better than to ask that question.

[mrs_anomaly]

Cricketer15 wrote...

Why can't we all just get along? Dear god...

I  posted the same thing in a thread here on BSN a couple of days ago 

[Apocalypsa]

mrs_anomaly wrote...

Apocalypsa wrote...

I can't comprehend how you can be anti-anything that doesn't affect your own life in any way. Sexuality, religion, skin colour, favourite icecream.

Now I'm going offtopic again. Sorry. Please pm me if anyone is up for debate on this.

In all seriousness, if you cannot comprehend this concept, well- or at least see how it is enacted in various ways everyday all the time everywhere I would suggest you read some history. 

I know it's been a major issue in 99% of humanity's existence. But in my own 17 years on this planet I havent met a single(not kidding here) homophobe in real life.

[born2beagator]

Cricketer15 wrote...

Why can't we all just get along? Dear god...

The thread title will always be a magnet for confrontation here.  From both serious people and trolls

Modifié par born2beagator, 25 décembre 2012 - 04:03 .

[OldeGrim]

[inappropriate post removed]

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 25 décembre 2012 - 11:13 .

[Apocalypsa]

Agreed, Oldegrim. I still like my icecream analogy.

Modifié par Apocalypsa, 25 décembre 2012 - 04:06 .

[Cricketer15]

mrs_anomaly wrote...

Cricketer15 wrote...

Why can't we all just get along? Dear god...

I  posted the same thing in a thread here on BSN a couple of days ago 

haha nice my radio was playing a song with that line so I just posted it.

[Kekhadgar]

I like lesbots..

[ParkBom]

Instead of debating with people who I don't care for, I just came by to wish everyone a Merry Christmas/Happy Hanukkah/Merry Kwanza/or just happy "I have no school/work.".

[OldeGrim]

You can also mute mics if what people are saying is bothering you. I play an online hockey game that has far worse and more frequent foul language and derogatory remarks.

ME3 MP community is pretty great compared to most other gaming communities.

[Hellbender041]

 Can you shoot in the right direction? Carry out objectives? Provide cover fire and medical aid?

Then why the living **** would it matter what your preference is?

Exactly. You want a trooper to run with who doesn't care about your orientation, just if you can do the freaking job.


If they can't look beyond that, they don't belong in a COOP game with MULTIPLE ALIEN SPECIES. Or are just idiots who never will learn the meaning of cooperation and teamwork.


Side note, not gay, but gay-friendly. Add me, let's get a match, and bust some heads.

[PinchLion]

born2beagator wrote...

Apocalypsa wrote...

I can't comprehend how you can be anti-anything that doesn't affect your own life in any way. Sexuality, religion, skin colour, favourite icecream.

It goes against my personal beliefs, and I am tired of them being in your face about their orientation.  That is all I will say.

I know rite! It's like when women got all up in mah face  wanting to vote and ****. And when blacks were all up in mah face about their color and not wanting to be treated badly and enslaved. Wish these people realized that their fight to live in happiness and equality is an inconvenience to my ignorance and superiority.

[Hellbender041]

Gays: No problem. Not what I believe, so what. They're humans.

People who get in my face or others' faces about their beliefs, or excusing their lack of tolerance by saying 'it's against my beliefs': Problem.

We're on this ball of rock together, you mooks. Shape up. If someone doesn't screw the way you like? SO WHAT. Grow the hell up.

[Imperator_Prime]

billy the squid wrote...

Imperator_Prime wrote...

Imperator Prime on xbl, got a mic.


For all the people saying "what's the use of a thread like this," seemingly oblivious to online homophobia, here's a really basic explanation. Whether we use it or not, whether we limit ourselves to it or not, some of us appreciate a "safe list" of people we can play online with so that if we get talking about our offline lives over the mic (as plenty of people do) we don't have to put up with childish ****s yelling "****" if we mention, for example, our significant other.

It's not so much about "shared interests"-- just because I'm gay doesn't mean that I want to chat with other gay guys about stereotypically 'gay interests' crap like interior design and fashion-- it's about making your experience online more agreeable by selecting a peer group (which is everyone's prerogative) that you can reasonably expect not to treat you like bigoted jagoffs. And while I haven't run into a lot of those, I have PUGed with some in the past. I'd like to hedge my bets against getting them again.

Frankly I think it would be much better to have a "name & shame the racist/sexist/homophobic douchebags" thread where, instead of treating the agreeable people as the exception, we published a list of the disagreeable people we encounter online so that anyone who wants to avoid them can... what? Does xbox or any of the other systems support "ignore lists" and PUG exclusion of the people on them? If not, then maybe this kind of "looking for X" thread is the best we can do.

But the point remains, if you're in the privileged position of never having felt discriminated against or slandered online-- not for how you play but for who you are-- then you aren't fit to judge the selective grouping behaviour of people who aren't. There are in fact plenty of ignorant, hateful idiots online and nobody who prefers to avoid them owes anyone else an explanation or an apology. If you aren't one of those unpleasant people then by all means, join the "in group," but don't make excuses for them or pretend that they aren't out there, because it's unjust to everyone who's encountered them and had a lousy time of it.

So, do you advertise your sexual prefrence online? Because that just screams attention wh0re and you're likely to be abused because you conciously drew attention to it, especially if the person is homophobic. If not, then how the hell do they know? More likely it's the typical juvinille or tongue in cheek insults thrown for no reason other than because they can. Nothing more satisfying than trolling the douchebags. The reactor hazard exists for a reason.

Do you "advertise?"

While on mic with other players have you ever mentioned a girl that you're hot for (or seeing, or married to)?  Have you ever commented on the asari or the female quarian's bum?  Ever compared notes about that chick in the godaddy commercials with other guy players?  Ever mentioned a date you were on with a woman the night before?  Ever debated "Miranda versus Ashley?"  Or how about this-- even if you haven't, have you called other people out on it when they have?  Shut down those conversations with a "would you guys stop flaunting your private lives in everybody else's faces"?

Because here's the thing, most straight people never think of it as they're "advertising their sexual orientation" when they talk about the opposite sex, but as soon as a guy says "I think Kaidan's hot," suddenly they've erected a gaudy neon billboard and they're "screaming" every salacious detail through a megaphone.  It's treating the exact same behaviour as okay from straight people but 'deviant' from gay people.  It's a double standard and an artifact of privilege-- taking for granted that "it's only a thing when 'the minorities' do it"-- and if you don't see what's wrong with it then you're probably the very kind of person this thread was created to try and get away from.

Pretending there's no such thing as prejudice just because you haven't experienced the sharp end of it is a form of bigotry.  If you don't oppose what's unjust, you're complicit.  Because barring some physiological defect that renders you incapable of human compassion and decency, apathy and indifference is a choice.

[Hellbender041]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Instead of debating with people who I don't care for, I just came by to wish everyone a Merry Christmas/Happy Hanukkah/Merry Kwanza/or just happy "I have no school/work.".

Chrismahanukwanzaaka!

[Hellbender041]

Imperator_Prime wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Imperator_Prime wrote...

Imperator Prime on xbl, got a mic.


For all the people saying "what's the use of a thread like this," seemingly oblivious to online homophobia, here's a really basic explanation. Whether we use it or not, whether we limit ourselves to it or not, some of us appreciate a "safe list" of people we can play online with so that if we get talking about our offline lives over the mic (as plenty of people do) we don't have to put up with childish ****s yelling "****" if we mention, for example, our significant other.

It's not so much about "shared interests"-- just because I'm gay doesn't mean that I want to chat with other gay guys about stereotypically 'gay interests' crap like interior design and fashion-- it's about making your experience online more agreeable by selecting a peer group (which is everyone's prerogative) that you can reasonably expect not to treat you like bigoted jagoffs. And while I haven't run into a lot of those, I have PUGed with some in the past. I'd like to hedge my bets against getting them again.

Frankly I think it would be much better to have a "name & shame the racist/sexist/homophobic douchebags" thread where, instead of treating the agreeable people as the exception, we published a list of the disagreeable people we encounter online so that anyone who wants to avoid them can... what? Does xbox or any of the other systems support "ignore lists" and PUG exclusion of the people on them? If not, then maybe this kind of "looking for X" thread is the best we can do.

But the point remains, if you're in the privileged position of never having felt discriminated against or slandered online-- not for how you play but for who you are-- then you aren't fit to judge the selective grouping behaviour of people who aren't. There are in fact plenty of ignorant, hateful idiots online and nobody who prefers to avoid them owes anyone else an explanation or an apology. If you aren't one of those unpleasant people then by all means, join the "in group," but don't make excuses for them or pretend that they aren't out there, because it's unjust to everyone who's encountered them and had a lousy time of it.

So, do you advertise your sexual prefrence online? Because that just screams attention wh0re and you're likely to be abused because you conciously drew attention to it, especially if the person is homophobic. If not, then how the hell do they know? More likely it's the typical juvinille or tongue in cheek insults thrown for no reason other than because they can. Nothing more satisfying than trolling the douchebags. The reactor hazard exists for a reason.

Do you "advertise?"

While on mic with other players have you ever mentioned a girl that you're hot for (or seeing, or married to)?  Have you ever commented on the asari or the female quarian's bum?  Ever compared notes about that chick in the godaddy commercials with other guy players?  Ever mentioned a date you were on with a woman the night before?  Ever debated "Miranda versus Ashley?"  Or how about this-- even if you haven't, have you called other people out on it when they have?  Shut down those conversations with a "would you guys stop flaunting your private lives in everybody else's faces"?

Because here's the thing, most straight people never think of it as they're "advertising their sexual orientation" when they talk about the opposite sex, but as soon as a guy says "I think Kaidan's hot," suddenly they've erected a gaudy neon billboard and they're "screaming" every salacious detail through a megaphone.  It's treating the exact same behaviour as okay from straight people but 'deviant' from gay people.  It's a double standard and an artifact of privilege-- taking for granted that "it's only a thing when 'the minorities' do it"-- and if you don't see what's wrong with it then you're probably the very kind of person this thread was created to try and get away from.

Pretending there's no such thing as prejudice just because you haven't experienced the sharp end of it is a form of bigotry.  If you don't oppose what's unjust, you're complicit.  Because barring some physiological defect that renders you incapable of human compassion and decency, apathy and indifference is a choice.

Only thing that annoys the crap out of me is when people (Not saying minorities, because we're all PEOPLE.) demand that they be protected by law, blah blah, but at the same time to be treated equally. There's a middle ground. I've ran into very many militant gays, and just as many militant homophobes. 

Side note, when people of a different race make HORRIBLE racially-based slurs at myself or my friends. However, were we to call them on it, we're vile racists and attacking their FOS. I'm sorry, I didn't know the first amendment was about being able to call me a '******', even though my ancestors had as much to do with slavery and the War Between the States as a tea leaf has to do with correcting a terminal illness...


Anyway, I am getting off topic, and I apologize to the origin poster.

Modifié par Hellbender041, 25 décembre 2012 - 05:28 .

[Dream]

born2beagator wrote...

Well this thread is getting derailed nicely. Can't say I'm surprised. The title is a magnet for people to come troll.

Ironic coming from you

[Hellbender041]

alum2 wrote...

to maintain perspective, we are playing a video game. why does it matter what anyone does or believes about anything to play? I would say I try to be a everything friendly player.

To help with the perspective, people often say things that others find offensive. This is because 95% of speech is based on perspective. What may be harmless fun between you and me (just an example), could seem like the most vile of assaults to another.

The issue here is that the OP (Not sure exactly what happened, OP, mind giving some intel?) I think, heard some comments that aren't exactly nice. Unfortunately, this is the internet, hateful comments tend to spew like diarrhea.

Back to the point. This is to try and make a coalition of gamers that actually respect one another's ideals. I see this as a valiant goal, considering we are in a

COOPERATIVE GAME.


Unfortunately, there are people with such a pathetically small worldview that the simple idea of playing an online game with someone who isn't of their religio-sexual ideology is basically tantamount to 9-11.

[BjornDaDwarf]

Nice to see so much peace and love on Christmas in this thread.

I don't think I've ever commented here, but for what it's worth, I'm always down to play with anyone. Gay, straight, trans, bi, whatevs.

I came from a small, rural midwest town, and was reasonably homophobic when I graduated high school. Thankfully I met some awesome, and very patient, gay folks who helped me see the errors of my culture I grew up in.

[Dimlor]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

dovevoice wrote...

Yaevinn wrote...

lazy troll is lazy, dovevoice...
Besides it's gay topic no more - it's NECRO right now, lol.

well, where i come from homosexual activity is punished with the death penalty, though i didn't hear any stories about that in the modern era.

 

We're sorry if our 21st century tolerance insults your 16th century culture.


Just kidding, no we aren't.

[Jadebaby]

Yep, you can add me to that list, I'm actually apart of the LGBT community.

XBL: Asari tears.

[Schneidend]

And this thread rears its fabulous head again. Still don't see the point in making a gay player recruitment thread when you could just start/join a completely-neutral-on-the-subject recruitment thread.