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[MalevoIence]

Lucas doesn't care about what ppl thinking about the changes and directions he takes, why would Bioware?

[Pooter1321]

EDIT  Does anyone know what percentage of people who have bought the game are actually complaining?  I'd bet it's a fairly small number.  

I believe someone did a poll of those who didn't like the ending 3 days ago or so you could extrapolate the numbers based on the sales and come to some idea...although the number would be on the extremely high side as usually forum people are the most passionate and therefore most likely to respond to a negative aspect more than those who like it but it's a start...

[Pooter1321]

AdrynBliss wrote...

actually thats not the tweet i was refering to. There's one from about the 12th i think it was that said if the fans knew what we were planning the reaction would be different.

Well color me suprised...if anyone could link it i would be much appreciative.

[Icinix]

Tleilaxos wrote...

Because there's only like 4 or 5 people who actually dislike the endings and keep making the same threads over and over about it. And since they never stop it looks like a lot of people dislike the endings but it's not true.

:lol:


...*reads again*

:lol:

[Elios]

Pooter1321 wrote...

EDIT  Does anyone know what percentage of people who have bought the game are actually complaining?  I'd bet it's a fairly small number.  

I believe someone did a poll of those who didn't like the ending 3 days ago or so you could extrapolate the numbers based on the sales and come to some idea...although the number would be on the extremely high side as usually forum people are the most passionate and therefore most likely to respond to a negative aspect more than those who like it but it's a start...

the endings have driven more people to the forums of late too so you have to take that into account as well
people that would normaly NOT post are posting this should say some thing

Modifié par Elios, 14 mars 2012 - 10:28 .

[Farbautisonn]

Ronin1325 wrote...

Yes, books have been retracted, even movies have been tweaked, but that's a fundamentally different thing. As I've said before, this is a game that was heavily advertised as one dependent on player choice. It was, over & over again, marketed to us as one where our choices in the game would create "wildly divergent" endings. A customer has every right to complain about a product that was sold without features they were told it would have.

-Youre preaching to the choir. I personally feel more or less misled either intentionally or unintentionally. I was pidgeonholed into a nonsensical story that couldnt even abide by its own lore or logic.

[Icinix]

Elios wrote...

Pooter1321 wrote...

EDIT  Does anyone know what percentage of people who have bought the game are actually complaining?  I'd bet it's a fairly small number.  

I believe someone did a poll of those who didn't like the ending 3 days ago or so you could extrapolate the numbers based on the sales and come to some idea...although the number would be on the extremely high side as usually forum people are the most passionate and therefore most likely to respond to a negative aspect more than those who like it but it's a start...

the endings have driven more people to the forums of late too so you have to take that into account as well
people that would normaly NOT post are posting this should say some thing

Also yet to see a reivew site, blog, youtube video, twitter feeds, that aren't brimming with people disappointed with the ending - even people I know who haven't played the game have asked me about these endings they're hearing about being really bad.

[DeadLetterBox]

We don't know what they're planning and we aren't meant to know at this point. The story should probably have stood on its own. I find that tweet frustrating. If you wanted us to consider what you have planned as a whole with what we've already got, it should have been released together or you should have told us there was more to come.

As far as how many people are complaining? I don't know. My husband and I are both sorely disappointed, and we tend to be pretty forgiving about this stuff. So, you can add two more to that "3 or 4" number you came up with.

[AdrynBliss]

Pooter1321 wrote...

AdrynBliss wrote...

actually thats not the tweet i was refering to. There's one from about the 12th i think it was that said if the fans knew what we were planning the reaction would be different.

Well color me suprised...if anyone could link it i would be much appreciative.

https://www.dropbox...._2EJJTD/me3.PNG

[Pooter1321]

AdrynBliss wrote...

https://www.dropbox...._2EJJTD/me3.PNG

Thank you for the link and while it does seem to give a little relief my thought process is with  DeadLetterBox in that if you're gonna deal with the end of the Shepard story it should have ended as a whole with the retail version of the game not a DLC that comes later down the line to explain everything.

DeadLetterBox wrote...

We don't know what they're planning and we aren't meant to know at this point. The story should probably have stood on its own. I find that tweet frustrating. If you wanted us to consider what you have planned as a whole with what we've already got, it should have been released together or you should have told us there was more to come.

 

The only thing that would make that tweet make sense is if the stuff coming up was designed to link the ending with the continuation of the Mass Effect universe story as a whole and even then it probably should have been included in the retail version to avoid...well....this....

[Souris]

Know what I find funny? People constantly complaining about lack of choice in ME3, and how the ending was the same for each one.

Know whats even FUNNIER? ME1 and ME2 BOTH had -one- ending with a very slight change (who lived/died, collector ship, citadel). Otherwise they BOTH had the same ending cinematic.

I don't even understand you people.

[Ben Shep]

Daiyus wrote...

My question is: Why should they have to? I'm not defending BioWare's story in the slightest, I'm sure when I see the endings I'll be annoyed. But if an author releases a book and the fans don't like the ending it's tough s**t. They don't recall them and reprint, they don't HAVE to release another book to "correct" the ending. Same with film series. So why should games be so different? OK, we don't like the endings, but does that really ruin everything else (read, 100's of hours of fun) to that point?

This

Bioware doesnt have to defend the ending or create a new ending because its their vision.
If peeps dont like it then just move on. 

I truly believe that Bioware wont make an ending dlc, after all no one likes to be told there work is bad and if they did release a new ending then they would be admitting it.

I love all of ME3 and I think the writers can hold there heads up high!

[DeadLetterBox]

Souris wrote...

Know what I find funny? People constantly complaining about lack of choice in ME3, and how the ending was the same for each one.

Know whats even FUNNIER? ME1 and ME2 BOTH had -one- ending with a very slight change (who lived/died, collector ship, citadel). Otherwise they BOTH had the same ending cinematic.

I don't even understand you people.

That ending was the end of the middle of the story.  We all knew there was more to come.  This is *the* end.  We have a bit more invested.

[DeadLetterBox]

Ben Shep wrote...

Daiyus wrote...

My question is: Why should they have to? I'm not defending BioWare's story in the slightest, I'm sure when I see the endings I'll be annoyed. But if an author releases a book and the fans don't like the ending it's tough s**t. They don't recall them and reprint, they don't HAVE to release another book to "correct" the ending. Same with film series. So why should games be so different? OK, we don't like the endings, but does that really ruin everything else (read, 100's of hours of fun) to that point?

This

Bioware doesnt have to defend the ending or create a new ending because its their vision.
If peeps dont like it then just move on. 

I truly believe that Bioware wont make an ending dlc, after all no one likes to be told there work is bad and if they did release a new ending then they would be admitting it.

I love all of ME3 and I think the writers can hold there heads up high!

Yes.  It really ruins everything, for me, if the ending is lousy.  I wish I was more reasonable about it but I'm not.  If I know while replaying ME1 and 2 that nothing I do will matter at the end of 3, they won't be fun to play anymore.

Artistic vision is well and good, but commercial art is a work of communication as much as expression.  Right now, some of us feel that communication was flawed and we are expressing that.  Some of us also feel that games cost a lot of money so we're a little fervent about it.  If we don't tell Bioware that we are upset, they won't know that we would like for them to improve issues like this in future games.

They have the right to do what they want.  We have the right to spend our money where we want.  I would prefer to keep enjoying Bioware games, so I'm letting them know I am not satisfied.  I'm guessing they would prefer to keep selling me Bioware games, so I'm hoping they listen.

[meteng]

Daiyus wrote...

My question is: Why should they have to? I'm not defending BioWare's story in the slightest, I'm sure when I see the endings I'll be annoyed. But if an author releases a book and the fans don't like the ending it's tough s**t. They don't recall them and reprint, they don't HAVE to release another book to "correct" the ending. Same with film series. So why should games be so different? OK, we don't like the endings, but does that really ruin everything else (read, 100's of hours of fun) to that point?

Because they want to sell DLC...

[HanPL]

Oh, we pay very close attention to it. It’s very important to us and we
will always listen to feedback, interpret it and try and do the right
thing by our fans. That’s why if you look at Mass Effect 2 we
knew that people wanted to spend more time with a character like Liara,
and so we created an ongoing storyline with her as part of the comics
and then built it into the DLC stuff, and we’re always listening to fans

Yea...right

Modifié par InnubisPL, 14 mars 2012 - 11:21 .

[meteng]

Mass Effect was always the player's story to craft. You can't have it both ways: your decisions matter (except for the ending of course!)

[OdanUrr]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

We don't know what they're planning and we aren't meant to know at this point. The story should probably have stood on its own. I find that tweet frustrating. If you wanted us to consider what you have planned as a whole with what we've already got, it should have been released together or you should have told us there was more to come.

As far as how many people are complaining? I don't know. My husband and I are both sorely disappointed, and we tend to be pretty forgiving about this stuff. So, you can add two more to that "3 or 4" number you came up with.

I agree. The story must be enough in and of itself. If they were to release a paid DLC that would somehow fix this up, I'd feel angrier than anything else.

[GnusmasTHX]

Because they have your money.

[meisjoe]

OK, well it's already been said - but I'll say it again. We've paid around $150+ for the Mass Effect series. Promises were made... promises that our choices mattered... but they just played us all for saps. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm going to be more cautious about getting invested in anything BioWare puts out from here on out.

[Gravity Bun]

Initially I thought the silence might be due to everyone at BioWare taking time off in a self-congratulatory circle-jerk, but reading Mike Gamble's tweet, maybe they're not saying anything because they've got something up their sleeves that they know will satisfy the disgruntled fan-base.

Regardless, whatever it is should have been in the final game from the beginning.

[Viyu]

Daiyus wrote...

My question is: Why should they have to? I'm not defending BioWare's story in the slightest, I'm sure when I see the endings I'll be annoyed. But if an author releases a book and the fans don't like the ending it's tough s**t. They don't recall them and reprint, they don't HAVE to release another book to "correct" the ending. Same with film series. So why should games be so different? OK, we don't like the endings, but does that really ruin everything else (read, 100's of hours of fun) to that point?

Oh not this again. They promised multiple endings. Read the following quote:

Casey Hudson: It's not so much that there is a fixed set of alternative endings, but all of your choices really determine how things end up in the universe. So, how you approach the end-game, for every player, you're going to have a different set of results in terms of who is alive and who is dead, and which civilisations survived and which ones were wiped out.There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things - it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who plays it.

Bioware false advertised the game and need to be held accountable for it. And yes that means correcting the ending...so that there is MULTIPLE endings like what we were told we were going to get. Fans asking to get what they paid for isn't that horrible.

[OdanUrr]

@Viyu: Did he really say that? About the classic game ending where you make a choice at the end?

[Lee T]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Because they have your money.

Yep, but they probably want more. Bad PR isn't the right way to go about it.

[IanPolaris]

Gravity Bun wrote...

Initially I thought the silence might be due to everyone at BioWare taking time off in a self-congratulatory circle-jerk, but reading Mike Gamble's tweet, maybe they're not saying anything because they've got something up their sleeves that they know will satisfy the disgruntled fan-base.

Regardless, whatever it is should have been in the final game from the beginning.

That doesn't make sense.  If that were true then the very best thing Bioware could do is publically say, "Yes we know you're upset, but TRUST US.  We have something really neat cooking that is going to resolve the endings."  Shout it from the mountain tops and repeat and make it official company doctrine.

As it is, the fans are bewildered and guessing, and that is hurting Bioware...and Bioware is almost out of time to restore it's reputation with Mass Effect fans.

No, my best guess is that Bioware is deep in denial and damage control mode (just like after DA2) and is hoping it all goes away (and thus is doing nothing).

-Polaris