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[Lee T]

OdanUrr wrote...

@Viyu: Did he really say that? About the classic game ending where you make a choice at the end?

source :

http://www.computera...ly-good/?page=1

[ael00]

me3 sold about 4 million copies on the first week, including preorders.

about 15,000 signed the petition to change the ending.

Now do do math. Would you care as a developer if 99% of the customers were satisfied ?? Why the hell would you change something commercially succesfull because of the 1% who didn't get the dream ending they wanted ?

I didn't fancy the ending too much either, but it wasn't bad.

[kbct]

ael00 wrote...

me3 sold about 4 million copies on the first week, including preorders.

Sold or shipped?

[OdanUrr]

Lee T wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

@Viyu: Did he really say that? About the classic game ending where you make a choice at the end?

source :

http://www.computera...ly-good/?page=1

Well... that is... I mean... yeah... um... okay.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

jeweledleah wrote...

www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/exclusive-mass-effect-3s-director-addresses-the-games-controversies/

<_<

Whaaat!
He did that kind of ending on purpose?!
If that's the case, then I'm not ever buying any game where he will be involved (that's a first, I never really was on the "will not by things from X" thing until now).
Who cares about talks on the ending, why not just giving a trilogy a proper ending would would fit your Shepard.

Modifié par Kakita Tatsumaru, 14 mars 2012 - 12:33 .

[kbct]

DIGITAL TRENDS: What are your thoughts on the reaction to the game’s endings?
 
CASEY HUDSON: I didn’t want the game to be forgettable, and even right down to the sort of polarizing reaction that the ends have had with people–debating what the endings mean and what’s going to happen next, and what situation are the characters left in. That to me is part of what’s exciting about this story. There has always been a little bit of mystery there and a little bit of interpretation, and it’s a story that people can talk about after the fact.

The reason so many people pre-purchased and purchased ME3 is because ME1 and ME2 were great games as evidenced by great professional and user reviews. They were unforgettable in a good way.

Casey says part of the reason the story is exciting for him is it had a polarizing effect on fans.That sounds like he did it intentionally. That's a major turn-off for me.

I don't think it was a good idea to make it unforgettable by polarizing the fan base. To me, that's making it unforgettable in a bad way.

Do people think that was a good business decision? Now the user reviews are polarized too.

Modifié par kbct, 14 mars 2012 - 12:48 .

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

ael00 wrote...
me3 sold about 4 million copies on the first week, including preorders.
about 15,000 signed the petition to change the ending.
Now do do math. Would you care as a developer if 99% of the customers were satisfied ?? Why the hell would you change something commercially succesfull because of the 1% who didn't get the dream ending they wanted ?
I didn't fancy the ending too much either, but it wasn't bad.

Cause everyone dissapointed with the ending will go on the internet and sign a petition you think?
Do you think that only 2.2 million people cared about ACTA when there is about 2.2 billion internet users in the world?
If like 1% of a customer care enough to sign a petition, then the company is in serious trouble.
But good for Bioware, the petition is currently more like at 0.5%, still enough to be heard.

[Farbautisonn]

I think he mistook a small tip of ice in the water for an icecube and didnt realize he was going full throttle into an iceberg.

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 14 mars 2012 - 12:50 .

[lordhugorune]

The simple answer is that they cannot promise any extensions to the content, either free or paid-DLC, or even indicate it's possible, unless the entities that control the purse strings sign off on the funding for it. Don't give up hope when it is so soon after release, these things take time.

[kbct]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

ael00 wrote...
me3 sold about 4 million copies on the first week, including preorders.
about 15,000 signed the petition to change the ending.
Now do do math. Would you care as a developer if 99% of the customers were satisfied ?? Why the hell would you change something commercially succesfull because of the 1% who didn't get the dream ending they wanted ?
I didn't fancy the ending too much either, but it wasn't bad.

Cause everyone dissapointed with the ending will go on the internet and sign a petition you think?
Do you think that only 2.2 million people cared about ACTA when there is about 2.2 billion internet users in the world?
If like 1% of a customer care enough to sign a petition, then the company is in serious trouble.
But good for Bioware, the petition is currently more like at 0.5%, still enough to be heard.

Agreed. The guy clearly doesn't understand statistics as it relates to polling and sample size. The only question is if it a representative sample. It's not. However, even so, you can still infer information about the entire population from these polls and petitions. It doesn't look good.

The most telling is the somewhat flawed poll of about 44,000 users that asks people if they liked the ending. Only 2% like the ending. 2%!!! Even if the true number is 25% or 40%, it still looks bad for BioWare.

The real question is what happens to sales when only 2% or 20% or 40% like the ending to an epic story. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens to future DLC sales and future BioWare games. After all, BioWare already has our money from this game.

[LeBurns]

Major Pyr0 wrote...

When folks on the internet hear something they don't like they generally respond in either threats or insults. A response will be given once there people have been given an appropriate amount time to cool off. A direct response given now would fall on deaf ears.

Yeah, still waiting on how they thought the changes to DA2 were exactly what the DA fanbase wanted.

Still waiting.

They are not going to tell us anything because they don't have to.  It's the last of the series so they already got all your money.  Any other game will be some CoD game whose story doesn't matter anyway.  With DA2 they may have hurt themselves some because they are planning a DA3, so they have to pretend that fan wanted changes are being made while at the same time hitting EA's release deadling to get something out the door with DA's name on it.  But with ME, they have no need to respond at all.  They will show their pre-order and first week sales figures to their bosses and work on putting together some cheap DLC's for the icing on the cake.

Dang, I just realized I sound a little bitter...

[Luiginius]

That millions number is shipped.
Think about this:shipped->bought->completed-> people who make their opinions heard on various forums(BSN is only a part of this remember) and the time frame all of this has happened in.

That BSN forum poll taker number is big, might even say huge, when you take all things in consideration.

Modifié par Luiginius, 14 mars 2012 - 01:09 .

[veramis]

The reason why bioware hasn't replied about the ending while the fans are making countless threads about it in their own home is because generally speaking the people at bioware cares less about their games than the fans do. ME3 is a textbook case of a company rife with incompetence, laziness, or even outright malicious intent. Difficult as it may be to believe, it takes a hell of a lot of effort to put together an ending which makes absolutely no sense and alienates the most number of people. It takes effort to create Diana Allers' face and downgrade the graphics in a sequel game using the same engine. Imported default femshep face looks like the face of a long time crack addict ffs.

I've seen businesses close down and I know the signs, they are always the same.

Modifié par veramis, 14 mars 2012 - 01:11 .

[Cyberarmy]

Tleilaxos wrote...

Because there's only like 4 or 5 people who actually dislike the endings and keep making the same threads over and over about it. And since they never stop it looks like a lot of people dislike the endings but it's not true.

That 4-5 is actually is 39439 people "for now"
http://social.biowar...606/polls/28989


Adn this is only the ones that uses forums, nearly all of my friends(which none of them liked endings) never ever stepped in here.

Please troll elsewhere.

[Bonaven]

ael00 wrote...

me3 sold about 4 million copies on the first week, including preorders.

about 15,000 signed the petition to change the ending.

Now do do math. Would you care as a developer if 99% of the customers were satisfied ?? Why the hell would you change something commercially succesfull because of the 1% who didn't get the dream ending they wanted ?

I didn't fancy the ending too much either, but it wasn't bad.

Agreed

People complaining in the forums aren't what bioware considers "the majority" because if they sold 4 million copies

and each one of that 4 millions started to post in this forum,well believe me, things will be different.

[lordhugorune]

veramis: That's just not logical. It's clear that an extraordinary amount of effort went into the entirety of Mass Effect 3. The missions are interesting and varied, the environments are detailed, the characters are rich and compelling.
Which makes the decision to cut an ending that should have been a detailed and complex epilogue that closed off all the major subplots and stories, into a series of explosions, a cutscene on a planet that asked more questions than it answered, and a final cutscene, a baffling and confusing one. I don't feel betrayed because the game was excellent, indeed the series was excellent, and I'm not one to be melodramatic or ungrateful. But I am just thoroughly confused because I don't know what the writers and producers were thinking in concluding the franchise so abruptly.
Here's an analogy. The Lord of the Rings movies lasted about 10 hours (depending on which editions you watch) and they took 1 hour to conclude the story following the cilmax. The Mass Effect trilogy takes over 100 hours for each playthrough, and concludes in less than 5 minutes following the climax. It just makes no sense

[lordhugorune]

Cyberarmy wrote...

That 4-5 is actually is 39439 people "for now"
http://social.biowar...606/polls/28989

I don't really like that poll, because to me the problem wasn't that the ending was "dark". I personally think it was appropriate that it was dark, it's a mature game after all and we're not kids, right?
The problem was that the ending was incomplete.

[witlessrogue85]

If nothing else, they could extend the Endings a smidge (not seeing that happening) OR throw in another couple of endings with a DLC.

Because I finished the game last night. Not happy. I'm being nice by saying that rather than what I normally would.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Blizzard has proven that no matter what a Dev says to the playerbase, someone will still be pissed. Best to just keep quiet and do what they do. If you get Ending DLC, cool beans. If not, whatever.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

kbct wrote...
After all, BioWare already has our money from this game.

My friend's money, not mine.
I prefer to consider buying a game as a token of gratitude and before that borrow my friend's one.

[veramis]

lordhugorune, we'll just have to disagree about how much work went into me3. Outside of the main missions, it was just errand boy missions. And there's only one hub, the citadel, whereas me2 had 2.5. There's not even cutscenes when doing the errand boy missions, you just deliver stuff and everyone knows your name. The environments in ME3 ARE detailed, but that is not what I'm complaining about, I'm complaining about the story, graphics, and gameplay. And I highly disagree with your claim that the characters in ME3 are rich and compelling. Their animations are all off, if they even have animations. Their dialogues are just broken. The only characters whose dialogues I consider good are Mordin, Anderson, and Javik. Javik wins by far, written by John Dombrow but this writer apparently didn't do much else for the game. Javik actually mentions something about time being an illusion, and that's a statement only someone who knows his sci-fi can know. Much of the rest of the game never gets anywhere near the same level of writing as was put into Javik.

As for the latest LoTR movie, there's many things wrong with it, and the quality of that movie should never be compared to the quality of the books which were voted as the best literary work of the 20th century. The books were written by a perfectionist, and really I think anyone who hasn't read them I won't take their opinion too seriously regarding how well written they think something is.

[kbct]

Bonaven wrote...

ael00 wrote...

me3 sold about 4 million copies on the first week, including preorders.

about 15,000 signed the petition to change the ending.

Now do do math. Would you care as a developer if 99% of the customers were satisfied ?? Why the hell would you change something commercially succesfull because of the 1% who didn't get the dream ending they wanted ?

I didn't fancy the ending too much either, but it wasn't bad.

Agreed

People complaining in the forums aren't what bioware considers "the majority" because if they sold 4 million copies

and each one of that 4 millions started to post in this forum,well believe me, things will be different.

I believe the 4 million (if it is 4 million) is shipped units, not purchased units.

In politics and economics, they don't ask every single person to provide information. They take a sample and infer information about the population (with some degree of uncertainty). It works very well. Our sample of 44K may not be representative of the population, but it certainly large enough to provide information about the population.

There is zero chance that a majority of the ME3 like the ending. Zero.

The real question is what effect that will have on BioWare's bottom line in the future.

[Itkovian]

Do not mistake the vocal groups here and on the itnernet as the entirety (or even majority) of the Fan Base.

Nor are you entitled to a response beyond what you got. Their artistic vision led them to make the endings they did, and that's that.

And really, the theme of the entire bloody game is Heroic Sacrifice. Seems to me the endings fit that theme extremely well.

Furthermore, regardless of what they do, there will always be people angry about it. I for one am glad they decided on something as daring.

Itkovian

[Capt Shanderson]

I believe "Wait till you see the DLC...it'll blow your freaking mind" is likely. Based on the tidbits that a couple Bioware employees have said on Twitter, etc. They might have been referring to something else, but I'm willing to bet that's not the case. They're probably waiting until the game has been out long enough world wide for everyone to finish the game before they say something.

[kbct]

lordhugorune wrote...

Cyberarmy wrote...

That 4-5 is actually is 39439 people "for now"
http://social.biowar...606/polls/28989

I don't really like that poll, because to me the problem wasn't that the ending was "dark". I personally think it was appropriate that it was dark, it's a mature game after all and we're not kids, right?
The problem was that the ending was incomplete.

I like the poll. The telling information is the percentage of people that liked the ending as it is.