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[OdanUrr]

ognick23 wrote...

here ya go complainers this is the closest your gonna get take it or leave it

http://www.computera...ic-over-ending/

"I didn't want the game to be forgettable..."

Yes, but I'd rather have people remember me for something good than for something bad or, if not bad, at least controversial.

"There has always been a little bit of mystery there and a little bit of interpretation..."

Mystery? Interpretation? I think not. The endings are pretty damn clear. In fact, ME3 took the mystery away from the Reapers.

"... it's a story people can talk about after the fact."

Clearly, but I refer you to my first answer.

"... we knew that people wanted to spend more time with a character like Liara..."

Thank you for this, at least.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 14 mars 2012 - 03:42 .

[veramis]

The game's director was ecstatic about the conclusion to the trilogy in an interview with Digital Trends, telling the site it's the one he intended.

"I didn't want the game to be forgivable, and even right down to the sort of plagiarism accusations that some people have made about the ends - debating what the endings mean and what's going to happen next, and what DLC's the characters left will be in," Hudson said.

"That to me is part of what's exciting about this story. There has always been a little bit of story there and a little bit of reason, and it's a story that people can talk about beyond the fact."

He went on to say that BioWare takes fan feedback very seriously, and blames the Mass Effect community for ruining upcoming campaign and multiplayer DLC.

"Oh, we pay very close attention to what DLC will sell. It's very important to us and we will always listen to feedback, interpret it and try and do the right thing by our COD fans. That's why if you look at Mass Effect 2 we knew that people wanted to spend more time with a character like Admiral Hackett, and so we created an ongoing storyline with him as part of the comics and then built it into the DLC stuff, and we're always listening to fans. We have some really great multiplayer content and some really great single-player content for them to buy, and their feedback will become part of how we design that."

Check out our thought-free spoilers on the Mass Effect 3 ending (for goodness sake don't read the comments if you've not finished it though, we want you to suffer).

[kbct]

Wise Men wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

-Your question is funny. Because authors do. At least in one case they retracted a book. And in what setting was that? Thats right... the very same setting we are playing. The Latest ME novel was such a load of crap that it got retracted and recinded as lore.

That recall was because of actual mistakes, not because some people didn't "like" how it ended. 

Daiyus.  I agree with you.  But don't just jump on the band wagon by setting your perception based on what others are saying.  You don't need to proclaim.."I'm sure when I see the endings I'll be annoyed".  Dude, just play the game and form your own opinion.  You don't need to aplogize for keeping an open mind (If I have offended you by incorrectly assuming your intent, pleas accept my aplogies). 

There is precedent for changing the ending to a game. Bethesda did it with Fallout 3.

A number of movies have been changed as well.

I might caution someone who hasn't purchased the game about the ending, but if someone is already playing it you might as well them experience the ending for themselves.

[ognick23]

kbct wrote...

ognick23 wrote...

here ya go complainers this is the closest your gonna get take it or leave it

http://www.computera...ic-over-ending/

If you spent a moment to read, you would know your link talks about the article in the second post of this thread.

sorry i dont really care

[Oldbones2]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 14 mars 2012 - 04:28 .

[kbct]

ognick23 wrote...

kbct wrote...

ognick23 wrote...

here ya go complainers this is the closest your gonna get take it or leave it

http://www.computera...ic-over-ending/

If you spent a moment to read, you would know your link talks about the article in the second post of this thread.

sorry i dont really care

I know. You make uninformed statements

[djarlaks10]

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[Vasarkian]

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[JenMaxon]

Daiyus wrote...

My question is: Why should they have to? I'm not defending BioWare's story in the slightest, I'm sure when I see the endings I'll be annoyed. But if an author releases a book and the fans don't like the ending it's tough s**t. They don't recall them and reprint, they don't HAVE to release another book to "correct" the ending. Same with film series. So why should games be so different? OK, we don't like the endings, but does that really ruin everything else (read, 100's of hours of fun) to that point?

Well, in this you are not quite right.  To give you a rather old example, Sherlock Holmes survived the plunge down the Reichenbach Falls with Moriaty precisely because Conan Doyle's fans were so disappointed and protested voiciferously.  I'm not saying it happens often but it does happen.

The thing that bothers me about this notion that the 'artist' is the one to dictate what happens in a story is that it is a somewhat naive understanding of the process of creating stuff.  Culture is born and lives between the artist and the audience - it's not a one-sided practice but a communication.  While the person doing the creating can't realistically be expected to meet the needs of all his or her readers (players, watchers whatever), you can be sure that the whole process breaks down if the audience overall is not receptive to what it's hearing.  Speaking as a creative person myself, this is something I am acutely aware of. 

[djarlaks10]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 14 mars 2012 - 04:30 .

[Dougy Fresh]

Maybe they're not responding because you're all acting like children.

[InvincibleHero]

kbct wrote...

There is precedent for changing the ending to a game. Bethesda did it with Fallout 3.

A number of movies have been changed as well.

I might caution someone who hasn't purchased the game about the ending, but if someone is already playing it you might as well them experience the ending for themselves.

They did it because they made a big glaring lore mistake. Super mutants are immune to radiation. Only if you had the one specific companion out of a few did it change the ending. You always could sacrifice yourself or make another do it which still remain as options.

So what lore error necessitates a new ending? The new deus ex-machina has new lore so nothing contradictory by its nature.

Why don't most of the people admit they want a specific ending to their personal tastes which is the real reason they are so vehemently up in arms? BW probably cares more about the lore because they should and they gave us what they chose to. So their lore> your lore. It is just a substitute so people don't seem self-interested. After all lore errors previous to this haven't neagted the will to ever play ME again so why should it be idfferent this time?

[djarlaks10]

InvincibleHero wrote...


So what lore error necessitates a new ending? The new deus ex-machina has new lore so nothing contradictory by its nature.

How about that fact the destroying a mass relay, as shown in The Arrival, would destroy the entire star system? Also, how the hell did Joker manage to grab a companion that was lying near me after the explosion and got at least to Charon relay before I activated the whole explosion thingy?

[MajorMattem]

Bioware hasnt responded because they didnt expect this.

They were all 'Oh man, people are going to love these endings! We're gonna be so famous!'

But, what they really did? They dropped the ball so hard, it bounced off the floor and out of earth's atmosphere, went straight out of our galaxy and ripped open a portal in space/time.

[loungeshep]

veramis wrote...

The game's director was ecstatic about the conclusion to the trilogy in an interview with Digital Trends, telling the site it's the one he intended.

"I didn't want the game to be forgivable, and even right down to the sort of plagiarism accusations that some people have made about the ends - debating what the endings mean and what's going to happen next, and what DLC's the characters left will be in," Hudson said.

"That to me is part of what's exciting about this story. There has always been a little bit of story there and a little bit of reason, and it's a story that people can talk about beyond the fact."

He went on to say that BioWare takes fan feedback very seriously, and blames the Mass Effect community for ruining upcoming campaign and multiplayer DLC.

"Oh, we pay very close attention to what DLC will sell. It's very important to us and we will always listen to feedback, interpret it and try and do the right thing by our COD fans. That's why if you look at Mass Effect 2 we knew that people wanted to spend more time with a character like Admiral Hackett, and so we created an ongoing storyline with him as part of the comics and then built it into the DLC stuff, and we're always listening to fans. We have some really great multiplayer content and some really great single-player content for them to buy, and their feedback will become part of how we design that."

Check out our thought-free spoilers on the Mass Effect 3 ending (for goodness sake don't read the comments if you've not finished it though, we want you to suffer).

Posts like this are why.

[InvincibleHero]

djarlaks10 wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...


So what lore error necessitates a new ending? The new deus ex-machina has new lore so nothing contradictory by its nature.

How about that fact the destroying a mass relay, as shown in The Arrival, would destroy the entire star system? Also, how the hell did Joker manage to grab a companion that was lying near me after the explosion and got at least to Charon relay before I activated the whole explosion thingy?

First is easy either they did not blow up or it was a controlled self-destruct not the full on eezo loaded cataclysmic blast from arrival. Never played it but didn't you have to override the safety mechanism or unlock it in some way first? After all even nukes can be blown up without full detonation.

Not sure on second issue as I haven't played the game and don't want to get into spoiler territory.

[Psychlonus]

They will stand their ground. They will follow in the footsteps of George Lucas, who to this day still has not retconned Jar Jar Binks into oblivion.

[Wise Men]

InvincibleHero wrote...

kbct wrote...

There is precedent for changing the ending to a game. Bethesda did it with Fallout 3.

A number of movies have been changed as well.

I might caution someone who hasn't purchased the game about the ending, but if someone is already playing it you might as well them experience the ending for themselves.

They did it because they made a big glaring lore mistake. Super mutants are immune to radiation. Only if you had the one specific companion out of a few did it change the ending. You always could sacrifice yourself or make another do it which still remain as options.

So what lore error necessitates a new ending? The new deus ex-machina has new lore so nothing contradictory by its nature.

Why don't most of the people admit they want a specific ending to their personal tastes which is the real reason they are so vehemently up in arms? BW probably cares more about the lore because they should and they gave us what they chose to. So their lore> your lore. It is just a substitute so people don't seem self-interested. After all lore errors previous to this haven't neagted the will to ever play ME again so why should it be idfferent this time?

Beat me to it. 

Quite honestly, I don't see how the fact that Bethesda added DLC to extend the game (change the ending, if you prefer to look at it that way) means that Bioware should.  Each company has a right to it's own creative vision.  We as consumers have a right to purchase or not.  We have a right to be upset or not.  I don't feel we have the right to "hold the creators hostage" in the media space and demand that they change their story.  Next thing you know, some of us will try to organize a march on the studio or something even more extreme (Again, just because they didn't like the last 5 min. of a game).    

So I agree with you here.  What some see as "lore errors" in the game ending is really "not what I expected or wanted it to be".  It's not an error, it's exactly what the creators whated to give us.  Some may not like it and that's cool.  But do we really need to demand that they change it?  The truth is, if they did change their ending, we still wouldn't be happy unless it was exaclty what we have imagined it should be.      
 

[VAIOMANIAC]

Daiyus wrote...

My question is: Why should they have to? I'm not defending BioWare's story in the slightest, I'm sure when I see the endings I'll be annoyed. But if an author releases a book and the fans don't like the ending it's tough s**t. They don't recall them and reprint, they don't HAVE to release another book to "correct" the ending. Same with film series. So why should games be so different? OK, we don't like the endings, but does that really ruin everything else (read, 100's of hours of fun) to that point?

The latest Mass Effect novel was changed because it was aweful and did not make any sense compared to the storyline.

And this is the same thing with the endings except this time it´s worse it´s the actuall game

[Eralrik]

I was at a local Rp shop and outback is a dumpster I watched die hard loyal fans of Mass Effect throw copy's of ME3 into the dumpster after they got done playing it, I looked inside must have been around 100+ copy's even though they threw them out BW still got the intial money for the purchase and the players were out of money for the game. It sadend me so see so many copy's of a great game series being tossed.

[veramis]

^ A picture of that would be good if you can still get it. In my opinion the people who post on bioware forums are actually the fans, people who care enough to try to convince bioware to correct the endings. The people who hate the game or hate bioware, won't even bother to really complain or petition bioware. Tragic, but it seems like the fans care a lot more about the game and the company than the people who made the game and work at the company.

[ZeroCrewX]

Eralrik wrote...

I was at a local Rp shop and outback is a dumpster I watched die hard loyal fans of Mass Effect throw copy's of ME3 into the dumpster after they got done playing it, I looked inside must have been around 100+ copys 

See what you did Bioware!?? SEE?!?!

[Vasarkian]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

Eralrik wrote...

I was at a local Rp shop and outback is a dumpster I watched die hard loyal fans of Mass Effect throw copy's of ME3 into the dumpster after they got done playing it, I looked inside must have been around 100+ copys 

See what you did Bioware!?? SEE?!?!

That seems skeptical.

[ZeroCrewX]

InvincibleHero wrote...

So what lore error necessitates a new ending? The new deus ex-machina has new lore so nothing contradictory by its nature.

Why don't most of the people admit they want a specific ending to their personal tastes which is the real reason they are so vehemently up in arms? BW probably cares more about the lore because they should and they gave us what they chose to. So their lore> your lore. It is just a substitute so people don't seem self-interested. After all lore errors previous to this haven't neagted the will to ever play ME again so why should it be idfferent this time?

Did you just now crawl out of a cave or something? 


To that other dude's example - fallout. Difference is it HAD A DAMN ENDING that more or less made at least a little sense.
The ending in mass effect 3 is the ****ties ending in video game history, not even Halo 2 was this bad (and that was reaaaaally bad). Here's a bright idea, instead of you people going against every fan who would like an ending, how about either shutting the hell up or helping people?

All you do is bounce around in the forums saying "oh quit crying GTFO" 

Let me make something perfectly clear for you. This is not a debate between fans like you think it is, we want a real ending from Bioware - who we paid hardearned money to get an incomplete product. No-one not even ONCE has asked you or anyone else for your opionions. You were asked if you wish to pitch in and given some directions. What makes you think you can just pop up and start hating on people or at the very least try to prove them wrong? What makes you think people even give a rats ass about if we're wrong or right in order to actually conceive a point you so hardily try to prove?

Yes we get it, it all seems as "whining" to you people. Here's a fun fact - if you like ****ty endings that dont make sense, it sure as hell don't mean I'm going to accept trash in return for my cash.

Now if you excuse me, I have more important things to do (such as fight for an ending Mass Effect deserves) Please be my gues and keep on NOT contributing to anything other than you proving moot points. Enjoy your night.

Modifié par ZeroCrewX, 14 mars 2012 - 07:39 .

[Zalbik]

MajorMattem wrote...

Bioware hasnt responded because they didnt expect this.

They were all 'Oh man, people are going to love these endings! We're gonna be so famous!'

But, what they really did? They dropped the ball so hard, it bounced off the floor and out of earth's atmosphere, went straight out of our galaxy and ripped open a portal in space/time.

Probably a very accurate assessment

The likey have no clue as to what they should say because the made a very bad miscalculation with the ending.

Modifié par Zalbik, 14 mars 2012 - 07:50 .