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[Mx_CN3]

So much anger in this thread. Please, everyone take a breather, and realize that people will think differently. And that the people that think differently are perfectly within their right to think differently, and you should not be angry at them because of it (even if you think their view is stupid).

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

korni789 wrote...
I can only add that word of mouth and reviews are influenced by die hard fans. 50k fans can easly destroy any PR machine by making a lot of negative noise about the game. And it is starting to happen in case of Mass Effect 3. If you type it in google you will find a lot of news about crappy ending. 
http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/

Thanks, that's the best article I read about the endings so far.

[kbct]

Wise Men wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

kbct wrote...

There is precedent for changing the ending to a game. Bethesda did it with Fallout 3.

A number of movies have been changed as well.

I might caution someone who hasn't purchased the game about the ending, but if someone is already playing it you might as well them experience the ending for themselves.

They did it because they made a big glaring lore mistake. Super mutants are immune to radiation. Only if you had the one specific companion out of a few did it change the ending. You always could sacrifice yourself or make another do it which still remain as options.

So what lore error necessitates a new ending? The new deus ex-machina has new lore so nothing contradictory by its nature.

Why don't most of the people admit they want a specific ending to their personal tastes which is the real reason they are so vehemently up in arms? BW probably cares more about the lore because they should and they gave us what they chose to. So their lore> your lore. It is just a substitute so people don't seem self-interested. After all lore errors previous to this haven't neagted the will to ever play ME again so why should it be idfferent this time?

Beat me to it. 

Quite honestly, I don't see how the fact that Bethesda added DLC to extend the game (change the ending, if you prefer to look at it that way) means that Bioware should.  Each company has a right to it's own creative vision.  We as consumers have a right to purchase or not.  We have a right to be upset or not.  I don't feel we have the right to "hold the creators hostage" in the media space and demand that they change their story.  Next thing you know, some of us will try to organize a march on the studio or something even more extreme (Again, just because they didn't like the last 5 min. of a game).    

So I agree with you here.  What some see as "lore errors" in the game ending is really "not what I expected or wanted it to be".  It's not an error, it's exactly what the creators whated to give us.  Some may not like it and that's cool.  But do we really need to demand that they change it?  The truth is, if they did change their ending, we still wouldn't be happy unless it was exaclty what we have imagined it should be.      
 

BioWare doesn't have to patch the ending or create a new DLC for the ending. Nothing necessitates it. I'm saying there is precedent for it in books, movies, and games.

Here is a good summary as to why the ending sucked. It's more than just lore mistakes:

http://www.gamefront...-fans-are-right

Honestly, there doesn't even need to be a precedent for BioWare to change the ending. There is a first time for everything.

At the end of day, this will be a business decision. Money. BioWare/EA is gonna determine the course of action that will make the most people happy purchasers of their products - now and in the future. It really won't have much to do with precedent, artistic integrity, or what's the right thing to do. I think everyone has seen the changes BioWare has made over the decade. Almost all of them have to do with appealing to a larger fan base and creating a larger market share.

Creative vision is fine as long as it fits into economic realities.

[Xenmir]

As much as people are hoping for an ending DLC, it still shouldn't be needed. To have such DLC released doesn't make it right. We all know that not everyone voted on the polls here, not everyone liked a Facebook page, etc.

My issue is for the people who purchased the game without it connected to the internet. Even if a free ending DLC was made, these people are SOL. This is a problem with the gaming industry. Everyone has taken for granted what "complete" means because things can be patched and/or downloaded additionally as DLC at a later date. This isn't limited to those whose devices aren't internet connected either. Years down the road when we want to return to this series, and if the server is long gone, so is our additional DLC.

When something is finished, in this case a trilogy, and is finalized for purchase, there should be no passive thoughts about "oh we can just patch it and have people download an add-on later." I know there will be bugs, that's inevitable and understandable.

Personally, I dislike the endings just as much as the next person but I hate how the DLC crutch is being used and assumed it will fix the problem for everyone that purchased the game when that's not the case. Just to make things clear, my gaming devices are connected to the internet but the important factor is the reliance on DLC.

Anyway, I think Bioware and EA have no intentions on changing their endings. As others have mentioned they have our money, are waiting for us to cool down in our rage against the endings with a blind eye, and are simply looking to bank in on DLC, primarily multiplayer skins and maps. I know most won't agree with me since it's a here and now issue to be fixed but I just think we all (customers and developers) rely too much on the ability to download patches and DLC. It wouldn't be so bad if there weren't so many locks on the material to make our own personal back-up copies like years ago.

[Pooter1321]

Mx_CN3 wrote...

So much anger in this thread. Please, everyone take a breather, and realize that people will think differently. And that the people that think differently are perfectly within their right to think differently, and you should not be angry at them because of it (even if you think their view is stupid).

Well originally this thread was quite civil in its discussion when I started it but I guess some people are still very emotional about this in a non-constructive way...I guess this proves that the community isn't ready for a developer response yet.

[kbct]

Pooter1321 wrote...

Mx_CN3 wrote...

So much anger in this thread. Please, everyone take a breather, and realize that people will think differently. And that the people that think differently are perfectly within their right to think differently, and you should not be angry at them because of it (even if you think their view is stupid).

Well originally this thread was quite civil in its discussion when I started it but I guess some people are still very emotional about this in a non-constructive way...I guess this proves that the community isn't ready for a developer response yet.

There was zero chance a developer would respond here. It's too big to post in one thread. It will be an announcement - if they decide to say anything at all. By the way, you're gonna get some spoilers and some angry posts in almost every thread. That's just forum-life.

[Pooter1321]

kbct wrote...

There was zero chance a developer would respond here. It's too big to post in one thread. It will be an announcement - if they decide to say anything at all. By the way, you're gonna get some spoilers and some angry posts in almost every thread. That's just forum-life.

Ya I wasn't expecting a BioWare response in this thread it was more of a question if anyone knows why there has been no address to the issue...there's been some good answers that make sense to me so I'm happy with how the thread turned out.  But if someone from BioWare saw this thread and it indirectly helped to get a response faster I'm all for that happening too 

[jabajack]

Its still early, Bioware staff members are still on downtime after working on the game in a week or two there might be a message

[XRelakX]

Theyre to busy trying to figure out which post from the "depressed people about the game/ending" to look at and then anwser.

Keep the post up and they wont even anwser lol.

[Han Shot First]

Arkitekt wrote...

They are most probably "hearing you and discussing it", but until they decide anything, they are also not even admitting as such. Admitting to being "discussing" the issue would leave bsn hysterically proclaiming that they were going to solve it.

This.

We'll either get DLC that provides a fourth ending or we won't. But unless a DLC is released that opens up another ending, I don't expect to hear much the matter from Bioware.

[MrRiadon]

Because we haven't hit their wallets hard enough yet, we need to hold the line.

[Farbautisonn]

jabajack wrote...

Its still early, Bioware staff members are still on downtime after working on the game in a week or two there might be a message

-In a week or two the "Retake ME3" crowd will have reached the 100K mark (possibly double that) if things go as they do now in their charity. That will generate a small storm of attention to their cause, And when the euros and asians get done playing which is what...a week from now tops?... then there will be a new influx of players who will not be happy if the current trend is to be followed. If Casey and/or others keep stoking the fire by directly contradicting the prevalent experience of their core client fanbase in the media for a week or two more... that wont help either.

Bioware needs to do damage controll now. Right now.

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 14 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[Wolf]

"The Truth" may be the reason they are holding back on commenting on the situation at hand. If (and that's a pretty big if) it turns out to be real.

[Farbautisonn]

Gaiden96 wrote...

"The Truth" may be the reason they are holding back on commenting on the situation at hand. If (and that's a pretty big if) it turns out to be real.

I have greater faith in Lucas asking forgiveness of his fans for the prequals than "The Truth" being anything but a desperate dream or a troll.

[RiouHotaru]

Because the game is barely a week old. Seriously you guys, chill.

[Wolf]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...

"The Truth" may be the reason they are holding back on commenting on the situation at hand. If (and that's a pretty big if) it turns out to be real.

I have greater faith in Lucas asking forgiveness of his fans for the prequals than "The Truth" being anything but a desperate dream or a troll.

I tend to not dismiss anything as false unless I have outright proof it is indeed untrue. 

Besides the guy that posted the info is the same one who predicted "Lair of The Shadow Broker", so I wouldn't count it out just yet.

Not saying it is true, but you never know...

[thunderhawk862002]

You want to know how similar the endings really are? Search youtube for: Mass Effect 3 - Ending Movie Comparison - All the Colors. I don't want to post the link in case that breaks the spoilers ban. It's sickening to think that they can get away with advertising the game having radically different endings after watching this.

[Sundance_Kid]

MrRiadon wrote...

Because we haven't hit their wallets hard enough yet, we need to hold the line.

Revolutiooonnnn!

I read an interview with Casey Hudson yesterday, I think, if you can even consider that a fanbase response.

[Farbautisonn]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Because the game is barely a week old. Seriously you guys, chill.

-You do not seem to grasp the seriousness of the situation. If mainstream media catches up on this, and they are starting, its going to be a public relations trainwreck for Bioware. In one week 26k plus people joined a protest movement on FB and other social media and started donating cash for a charity in an attempt to both come across as mild and mannered but also to vye favor from the media. The donation thing hasnt even been going on for 30 hrs and they have reached almost 40k. Games for sick kids. Who the hell is going to fight that in this industry? 

That needs to be countered and fast. Bioware just pretending it isnt happening is only going to play into the hands of these people. People I happen to support, mind you. But I do like Bioware still. So... it would be nice if they did something so we can avoid this... "revolution".

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 14 mars 2012 - 10:16 .

[Farbautisonn]

Gaiden96 wrote...
I tend to not dismiss anything as false unless I have outright proof it is indeed untrue. 

Besides the guy that posted the info is the same one who predicted "Lair of The Shadow Broker", so I wouldn't count it out just yet.

Not saying it is true, but you never know...

-I usually assume that things are false before I have empirical evidence of sorts infront of me, or I have it from a reputeable source. I guess people are different that way.

[Wolf]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...
I tend to not dismiss anything as false unless I have outright proof it is indeed untrue. 

Besides the guy that posted the info is the same one who predicted "Lair of The Shadow Broker", so I wouldn't count it out just yet.

Not saying it is true, but you never know...

-I usually assume that things are false before I have empirical evidence of sorts infront of me, or I have it from a reputeable source. I guess people are different that way.

It leads to the exact same place so I guess it's just the way we go about it that's different.

Modifié par Gaiden96, 14 mars 2012 - 10:21 .

[durasteel]

This is BioWare we're talking about. Silence is typical, and outright dishonest denials are not uncommon. Remember when Priestly was saying "there are no plans to develop Mass Effect for the PC" a week before they showed off screenshots of its new PC interface? Same thing happened with Jade Empire.

BioWare has a history of giving people what they want, but until they are ready to announce it they will pretend to ignore you, or even baldface lie to you and tell you you're out of luck. That's just what they do, always has been.

Unfortunately, that means that we have no idea whether or when any kind of fix for "the end" might be forthcoming. Even if they say "we have no intention of developing changed or alternative endings for ME3," you still won't really know, because you can't believe anything of that nature that comes from BioWare.

I used to have links to the unequivocal falsehoods about Mass Effect and Jade Empire being developed for the PC, but I can't find those forums any more.

[Vasarkian]

durasteel wrote...

This is BioWare we're talking about. Silence is typical, and outright dishonest denials are not uncommon. Remember when Priestly was saying "there are no plans to develop Mass Effect for the PC" a week before they showed off screenshots of its new PC interface? Same thing happened with Jade Empire.

BioWare has a history of giving people what they want, but until they are ready to announce it they will pretend to ignore you, or even baldface lie to you and tell you you're out of luck. That's just what they do, always has been.

Unfortunately, that means that we have no idea whether or when any kind of fix for "the end" might be forthcoming. Even if they say "we have no intention of developing changed or alternative endings for ME3," you still won't really know, because you can't believe anything of that nature that comes from BioWare.

I used to have links to the unequivocal falsehoods about Mass Effect and Jade Empire being developed for the PC, but I can't find those forums any more.

And then there was DA2.

[BatmanPWNS]

If Bioware even said anything, you would all:
A) Quote them asking questions after questions
Call them liars again and again
C) Just plain insult them

[HiroVoid]

I'm pretty sure since they're owned by EA, there's a giant process where people have to get approval by the PR team or whatever to get permission to say anything. I remember Michael Gamble actually retweeting the Child's Play donation, but subsequently taking it down.