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[Farbautisonn]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

If Bioware even said anything, you would all:
A) Quote them asking questions after questions
Call them liars again and again
C) Just plain insult them

-you presume that this would become any better by just giving us the silent treatment? That the player base would not feel ignored? They have to face us sometime. 

[Dragoonlordz]

Farbautisonn wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

If Bioware even said anything, you would all:
A) Quote them asking questions after questions
Call them liars again and again
C) Just plain insult them

-you presume that this would become any better by just giving us the silent treatment? That the player base would not feel ignored? They have to face us sometime. 

The best time to interact is when the hyperbole, vitriol and threats including lack of reasonable and polite responses goes away. If you cannot achieve that as a section of the forumites (so called fans) sooner rather than later then you end up waiting even longer. They will respond when all the vitriol and worse goes away as why should they take part when a vast amount are remaining uncivil. A prime example is the DA2 section which gains a lot more interaction from the developers now that it has become more civil and the same will apply to here.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 14 mars 2012 - 10:59 .

[Farbautisonn]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
The best time to interact is when the hyperbole, vitriol and threats including lack of reasonable and polite responses goes away. If you cannot achieve that as a section of the forumites (so called fans) sooner rather than later then you end up waiting even longer. They will respond when all the vitriol and worse goes away as why should they take part when a vast amount are remaining uncivil.

-Sure. Only problem with that logic that all of the above arent. They will get worse. And if the "Retake" movement gets wind, real wind in its sails, then Bioware/EA will have to address the matter in the media, instead of initiating a dialogue with its fans, vitrol or not.

Adressing stuff in the media, is rarely a good idea. Too much room for misundestandings and too much room for sensationalism.

Addressing the matter now when the "Retake" movement has limited media support and only 40k in donations to a charity, is one hell of alot easier than doing it in 3 weeks when the "Retake" movement has donated 150k and made national news headlines plus sparked a wider debate on what gamers are "entitled" to / can ask for, from their favorite gaming studios.

Plus, like it or not, it hurts sales. Anyone who goes to Amazon now an reads a review will not be impressed. They arent going to be impressed if they come here for info and finds a plethora of threads demonizing the game and the lack of communication. Neither will they be impressed with the rather sudden pricedrop of a title that has only been out a week. If the rumors of returned games turn out to be empirically proveable, then thats not going to help either. This has been happening over a timespan of 10 days tops. If the ball keeps rolling for 10 more days... what do you think will happen? 

[ZeroCrewX]

Like Farbautisonn said above, if when the asian market joins the whole disgruntled bunch, we are looking at a definite ****storm for Bioware.

This isn't some 30k people or polls and stuff, movements are already organized - if the asian market gets as pissed as we are those movements will blow up, and Bioware will have to make a choice out of two things in a matter of DAYS not months :

1- Fix it all and come clean/make an announcement that they will fix it to make up for screwing 3 games in 5 minutes, saving the situation to at least some extent.
2- Don't do anything and lose THOUSANDS of customers for ever.

To people who think I'm overreacting and overstating stuff.
I know people who literally threw away their copies of mass effect 3, collectors editions at that, in the trash before the truck picked it up. And not 2-3 people, at least 20. I also noticed some other guy here said he saw 100+ copies in the trash near a shop.

This is as serious as it gets. No overreacting, no bs.
Mind you, it's about to get much, much worse if it isn't addressed SOON.

[kbct]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

To people who think I'm overreacting and overstating stuff.
I know people who literally threw away their copies of mass effect 3, collectors editions at that, in the trash before the truck picked it up. And not 2-3 people, at least 20. I also noticed some other guy here said he saw 100+ copies in the trash near a shop.

Whoa! I have a hard time believing that, but it's very easy to believe that people are upset.

[bleachorange]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

Like Farbautisonn said above, if when the asian market joins the whole disgruntled bunch, we are looking at a definite ****storm for Bioware.

This isn't some 30k people or polls and stuff, movements are already organized - if the asian market gets as pissed as we are those movements will blow up, and Bioware will have to make a choice out of two things in a matter of DAYS not months :

1- Fix it all and come clean/make an announcement that they will fix it to make up for screwing 3 games in 5 minutes, saving the situation to at least some extent.
2- Don't do anything and lose THOUSANDS of customers for ever.

To people who think I'm overreacting and overstating stuff.
I know people who literally threw away their copies of mass effect 3, collectors editions at that, in the trash before the truck picked it up. And not 2-3 people, at least 20. I also noticed some other guy here said he saw 100+ copies in the trash near a shop.

This is as serious as it gets. No overreacting, no bs.
Mind you, it's about to get much, much worse if it isn't addressed SOON.

True, all the disappointed Chinese gov't officials will order their hacking teams to trash BSN in their anger. Then where will we complain and campaign about the ending?

[Arch1eviathan]

I don't think DLC is an adequate excuse for all of the confusion in the ending. If I'm paying 60 to 80 bucks for a games, i'd better get the full experience. Not half now and pay more later to understand the full story. IMO DLC is supposed to add to the story and not take away from the core experience, holding back on key plot points during such a vidal point in a story just to sell it to you later is kind of slimy. That's assuming all this will be explained via DLC. I would personally prefer them just make an ME4.

[InvincibleHero]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

So what lore error necessitates a new ending? The new deus ex-machina has new lore so nothing contradictory by its nature.

Why don't most of the people admit they want a specific ending to their personal tastes which is the real reason they are so vehemently up in arms? BW probably cares more about the lore because they should and they gave us what they chose to. So their lore> your lore. It is just a substitute so people don't seem self-interested. After all lore errors previous to this haven't neagted the will to ever play ME again so why should it be idfferent this time?

Did you just now crawl out of a cave or something? 


To that other dude's example - fallout. Difference is it HAD A DAMN ENDING that more or less made at least a little sense.
The ending in mass effect 3 is the ****ties ending in video game history, not even Halo 2 was this bad (and that was reaaaaally bad). Here's a bright idea, instead of you people going against every fan who would like an ending, how about either shutting the hell up or helping people?

All you do is bounce around in the forums saying "oh quit crying GTFO" 

Let me make something perfectly clear for you. This is not a debate between fans like you think it is, we want a real ending from Bioware - who we paid hardearned money to get an incomplete product. No-one not even ONCE has asked you or anyone else for your opionions. You were asked if you wish to pitch in and given some directions. What makes you think you can just pop up and start hating on people or at the very least try to prove them wrong? What makes you think people even give a rats ass about if we're wrong or right in order to actually conceive a point you so hardily try to prove?

Yes we get it, it all seems as "whining" to you people. Here's a fun fact - if you like ****ty endings that dont make sense, it sure as hell don't mean I'm going to accept trash in return for my cash.

Now if you excuse me, I have more important things to do (such as fight for an ending Mass Effect deserves) Please be my gues and keep on NOT contributing to anything other than you proving moot points. Enjoy your night.

Umm no FO3 ending did not make sense. I had my rad resistance turfed over 200% still died rad immune super mutant would still die. Ypou couldn't break out of an all glass enclosure with a rocket launcher. You could not say forget these selfish wastelanders and just walk away no you were forced to off youself right then or be made to feel like a low life small scum by making a woman do it in your place. Great ending huh. I still liked the game immensely and never got Broken Steel which fixed it and allowed the super mutant to take your place and live.


It is not incomplete and it has an ending just you are not mature enough to accept it. Your hostility is unwarrented. You do not have to like everything for it to be acceptable. It is your opinion vs. intellectual property creator now who has more authority in this situation hmmm. Not everything you buy is going to be as great as you want it to be and that doesn't mean it is flawed. Your expectations or egoistic demands are too high. Many reviews give the game high scores and users as well so that means only yours matter and BW must change it to suit you? I just have to disagree with that which you seem unwilling to accept.

 
I notice you did not try to counter any points and actually prove it is purely to get the ending you want because you don't care if proven wrong. So it is acceptable to tout lore incosistencies yet when they are explained still say me want better ending that makes me happy I don't care what BW or anyone says? That smacks of an inflated sense of entitlement.

PS. I am one person of no clout to make BW do anything so your notion and anger at me standing in the way is ludicrous. You have your say and I am free to mine.

Modifié par InvincibleHero, 15 mars 2012 - 02:37 .

[Novate]

Farbautisonn wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

If Bioware even said anything, you would all:
A) Quote them asking questions after questions
Call them liars again and again
C) Just plain insult them

-you presume that this would become any better by just giving us the silent treatment? That the player base would not feel ignored? They have to face us sometime. 

Exactly, Silent treatment is worst, they did it at SWTOR with Ilum , they are doing it with ME3 endings.
Option B shouldn't even occur, but there is just too many evidences out there that kept coming back to support that they don't always tell the truth.  ( examples : no multiplayer ever promise, we got Galaxy at war, 16 endings all different, 3 lights , choices matters we got 3 choices that don't matter , DA2......    , Prothean not on disc which is on disc.)

Its just getting sad that they aren't gonna tell anyone anything until they get more money from the asian markets, and once that market pays them for their product then they will say , OH hahahahahaha, we have this DLC for 30 dollars that have everything you asked for lolololololol   
OH, I Forgot to tell you all, that is just Part 1 of 4 that has a secret part 5 and 6 and an Hidden part 7 and 8 that continues the stories of Shepard. ( with future part 9 and 10 until they milk you dry )
BTW its all $10 dollars for each part, and they were all on your original disc. 

And they have all the legal rights to it apparently since you only buy the license to play, not own.

[Rrezz]

I'm sorry, Bioware can't hear you over the sound of their 1.85 Million sales in the first week.

[IanPolaris]

Rrezz wrote...

I'm sorry, Bioware can't hear you over the sound of their 1.85 Million sales in the first week.

You mean 1.85 million SHIPPED (or Sold-In).  If you think this is the end-all be-all, think again.  DA2 also had spectacular first week sales before the game sank like a stone.

-Polaris

[ZeroCrewX]

IanPolaris wrote...

Rrezz wrote...

I'm sorry, Bioware can't hear you over the sound of their 1.85 Million sales in the first week.

You mean 1.85 million SHIPPED (or Sold-In).  If you think this is the end-all be-all, think again.  DA2 also had spectacular first week sales before the game sank like a stone.

-Polaris

Yep, DA2 did really well in first stage sales, but when people did HALF of what they're doing to mass effect 3 the game sank completely.
And this is 10 times worse.. 

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

They don't have to say a damn thing to be perfectly honest. If they're smart they'll keep their mouth shut.

[Ronin1325]

InvincibleHero wrote...

ZeroCrewX wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

So what lore error necessitates a new ending? The new deus ex-machina has new lore so nothing contradictory by its nature.

Why don't most of the people admit they want a specific ending to their personal tastes which is the real reason they are so vehemently up in arms? BW probably cares more about the lore because they should and they gave us what they chose to. So their lore> your lore. It is just a substitute so people don't seem self-interested. After all lore errors previous to this haven't neagted the will to ever play ME again so why should it be idfferent this time?

Did you just now crawl out of a cave or something? 


To that other dude's example - fallout. Difference is it HAD A DAMN ENDING that more or less made at least a little sense.
The ending in mass effect 3 is the ****ties ending in video game history, not even Halo 2 was this bad (and that was reaaaaally bad). Here's a bright idea, instead of you people going against every fan who would like an ending, how about either shutting the hell up or helping people?

All you do is bounce around in the forums saying "oh quit crying GTFO" 

Let me make something perfectly clear for you. This is not a debate between fans like you think it is, we want a real ending from Bioware - who we paid hardearned money to get an incomplete product. No-one not even ONCE has asked you or anyone else for your opionions. You were asked if you wish to pitch in and given some directions. What makes you think you can just pop up and start hating on people or at the very least try to prove them wrong? What makes you think people even give a rats ass about if we're wrong or right in order to actually conceive a point you so hardily try to prove?

Yes we get it, it all seems as "whining" to you people. Here's a fun fact - if you like ****ty endings that dont make sense, it sure as hell don't mean I'm going to accept trash in return for my cash.

Now if you excuse me, I have more important things to do (such as fight for an ending Mass Effect deserves) Please be my gues and keep on NOT contributing to anything other than you proving moot points. Enjoy your night.

Umm no FO3 ending did not make sense. I had my rad resistance turfed over 200% still died rad immune super mutant would still die. Ypou couldn't break out of an all glass enclosure with a rocket launcher. You could not say forget these selfish wastelanders and just walk away no you were forced to off youself right then or be made to feel like a low life small scum by making a woman do it in your place. Great ending huh. I still liked the game immensely and never got Broken Steel which fixed it and allowed the super mutant to take your place and live.


It is not incomplete and it has an ending just you are not mature enough to accept it. Your hostility is unwarrented. You do not have to like everything for it to be acceptable. It is your opinion vs. intellectual property creator now who has more authority in this situation hmmm. Not everything you buy is going to be as great as you want it to be and that doesn't mean it is flawed. Your expectations or egoistic demands are too high. Many reviews give the game high scores and users as well so that means only yours matter and BW must change it to suit you? I just have to disagree with that which you seem unwilling to accept.

 
I notice you did not try to counter any points and actually prove it is purely to get the ending you want because you don't care if proven wrong. So it is acceptable to tout lore incosistencies yet when they are explained still say me want better ending that makes me happy I don't care what BW or anyone says? That smacks of an inflated sense of entitlement.

PS. I am one person of no clout to make BW do anything so your notion and anger at me standing in the way is ludicrous. You have your say and I am free to mine.

Let me quote myself-

"Yes, books have been retracted, even movies have been tweaked, but
that's a fundamentally different thing. As I've said before, this is a
game that was heavily advertised as one dependent on player choice.
It was, over & over again, marketed to us as one where our choices
in the game would create "wildly divergent" endings. A customer has
every right to complain about a product that was sold without features
they were told it would have."

[xsdob]

Cause it's been a week and companies usually take a month to organize together and make actual company responses, like the geth building consensus.

They need to get everyone together and brainstorm solutions, and than see if they are viable, only when they have come up with something, or have confirmed that they can't come up with something, do they ever make a public statement about it.

People demanding that they respond right now is a little unrealistic, they've got nothing to report about, and any statement in this landscape will be treated as a binding contract by fans. They'll make an actual statement on it with some time, meanwhile we have to make sure we don't harass them and discourage them from further interaction with the fanbase. Because they will abandon mass effect and its fans, and even it's long term fans, if it thinks trying to make a game for them is this risky.

[Ronin1325]

xsdob wrote...

Cause it's been a week and companies usually take a month to organize together and make actual company responses, like the geth building consensus.

They need to get everyone together and brainstorm solutions, and than see if they are viable, only when they have come up with something, or have confirmed that they can't come up with something, do they ever make a public statement about it.

People demanding that they respond right now is a little unrealistic, they've got nothing to report about, and any statement in this landscape will be treated as a binding contract by fans. They'll make an actual statement on it with some time, meanwhile we have to make sure we don't harass them and discourage them from further interaction with the fanbase. Because they will abandon mass effect and its fans, and even it's long term fans, if it thinks trying to make a game for them is this risky.

That's true, xsdob, and though I have complained as much as anyone (maybe more), I will be more than willing to gobble a murder of crows if they have (Indoctrination Theory?), or come up with, something to turn this around.

[Dirty2007]

So much for fans opinions being important

[DanielMarley]

xsdob wrote...

Cause it's been a week and companies usually take a month to organize together and make actual company responses, like the geth building consensus.

They need to get everyone together and brainstorm solutions, and than see if they are viable, only when they have come up with something, or have confirmed that they can't come up with something, do they ever make a public statement about it.

People demanding that they respond right now is a little unrealistic, they've got nothing to report about, and any statement in this landscape will be treated as a binding contract by fans. They'll make an actual statement on it with some time, meanwhile we have to make sure we don't harass them and discourage them from further interaction with the fanbase. Because they will abandon mass effect and its fans, and even it's long term fans, if it thinks trying to make a game for them is this risky.

I couldn't agree more ... Right now we have to wait and be patient. Fans made they statement and I'm sure it didn't go unnoticed so why all the hustle. We must act mature and give bioware time to respond not demand all answers right now, couple years back it was unthinkable that some developers change game base on fans demanding I'd say it wasn't even an option. Right now every one must be satisfied " I pay, I demand" but hey some of us must be reasonable or all this "new ending" cause will backfire. IMO bioware have right not change a thing but if they do something it's because WE FANS are worth it not because we demand it. Be patient show some respect.

[ZeroCrewX]

Ronin1325 wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

ZeroCrewX wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

So what lore error necessitates a new ending? The new deus ex-machina has new lore so nothing contradictory by its nature.

Why don't most of the people admit they want a specific ending to their personal tastes which is the real reason they are so vehemently up in arms? BW probably cares more about the lore because they should and they gave us what they chose to. So their lore> your lore. It is just a substitute so people don't seem self-interested. After all lore errors previous to this haven't neagted the will to ever play ME again so why should it be idfferent this time?

Did you just now crawl out of a cave or something? 


To that other dude's example - fallout. Difference is it HAD A DAMN ENDING that more or less made at least a little sense.
The ending in mass effect 3 is the ****ties ending in video game history, not even Halo 2 was this bad (and that was reaaaaally bad). Here's a bright idea, instead of you people going against every fan who would like an ending, how about either shutting the hell up or helping people?

All you do is bounce around in the forums saying "oh quit crying GTFO" 

Let me make something perfectly clear for you. This is not a debate between fans like you think it is, we want a real ending from Bioware - who we paid hardearned money to get an incomplete product. No-one not even ONCE has asked you or anyone else for your opionions. You were asked if you wish to pitch in and given some directions. What makes you think you can just pop up and start hating on people or at the very least try to prove them wrong? What makes you think people even give a rats ass about if we're wrong or right in order to actually conceive a point you so hardily try to prove?

Yes we get it, it all seems as "whining" to you people. Here's a fun fact - if you like ****ty endings that dont make sense, it sure as hell don't mean I'm going to accept trash in return for my cash.

Now if you excuse me, I have more important things to do (such as fight for an ending Mass Effect deserves) Please be my gues and keep on NOT contributing to anything other than you proving moot points. Enjoy your night.

Umm no FO3 ending did not make sense. I had my rad resistance turfed over 200% still died rad immune super mutant would still die. Ypou couldn't break out of an all glass enclosure with a rocket launcher. You could not say forget these selfish wastelanders and just walk away no you were forced to off youself right then or be made to feel like a low life small scum by making a woman do it in your place. Great ending huh. I still liked the game immensely and never got Broken Steel which fixed it and allowed the super mutant to take your place and live.


It is not incomplete and it has an ending just you are not mature enough to accept it. Your hostility is unwarrented. You do not have to like everything for it to be acceptable. It is your opinion vs. intellectual property creator now who has more authority in this situation hmmm. Not everything you buy is going to be as great as you want it to be and that doesn't mean it is flawed. Your expectations or egoistic demands are too high. Many reviews give the game high scores and users as well so that means only yours matter and BW must change it to suit you? I just have to disagree with that which you seem unwilling to accept.

 
I notice you did not try to counter any points and actually prove it is purely to get the ending you want because you don't care if proven wrong. So it is acceptable to tout lore incosistencies yet when they are explained still say me want better ending that makes me happy I don't care what BW or anyone says? That smacks of an inflated sense of entitlement.

PS. I am one person of no clout to make BW do anything so your notion and anger at me standing in the way is ludicrous. You have your say and I am free to mine.

Let me quote myself-

"Yes, books have been retracted, even movies have been tweaked, but
that's a fundamentally different thing. As I've said before, this is a
game that was heavily advertised as one dependent on player choice.
It was, over & over again, marketed to us as one where our choices
in the game would create "wildly divergent" endings. A customer has
every right to complain about a product that was sold without features
they were told it would have."

@ Invinsiblehero

Like big fancy words do you? Fantastic!

To counter any of your points would mean I asked for your opinions or care for them, which I dont.
I could countery many of your points at a first glance, but honestly, if you like to be fed **** by the big people - it means you're not worth my time. Like I said, have a nice day.

p.s What Ronin said is the absolute truth, like it or not, sheep.

[ZeroCrewX]

DanielMarley wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Cause it's been a week and companies usually take a month to organize together and make actual company responses, like the geth building consensus.

They need to get everyone together and brainstorm solutions, and than see if they are viable, only when they have come up with something, or have confirmed that they can't come up with something, do they ever make a public statement about it.

People demanding that they respond right now is a little unrealistic, they've got nothing to report about, and any statement in this landscape will be treated as a binding contract by fans. They'll make an actual statement on it with some time, meanwhile we have to make sure we don't harass them and discourage them from further interaction with the fanbase. Because they will abandon mass effect and its fans, and even it's long term fans, if it thinks trying to make a game for them is this risky.

I couldn't agree more ... Right now we have to wait and be patient. Fans made they statement and I'm sure it didn't go unnoticed so why all the hustle. We must act mature and give bioware time to respond not demand all answers right now, couple years back it was unthinkable that some developers change game base on fans demanding I'd say it wasn't even an option. Right now every one must be satisfied " I pay, I demand" but hey some of us must be reasonable or all this "new ending" cause will backfire. IMO bioware have right not change a thing but if they do something it's because WE FANS are worth it not because we demand it. Be patient show some respect.

Respect is for people who dont lie to you deliberately for a year and a half.

[2Shepards]

I think Hudson and Co. are in shock.

I think they expected us with to take it and shrug it off owing it up to the munificent makers knowing better then poor pitiable us.

I think they thought we would take it, and not ask for better from them since they gave us this amazing series.

[Ben Shep]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

Like Farbautisonn said above, if when the asian market joins the whole disgruntled bunch, we are looking at a definite ****storm for Bioware.

This isn't some 30k people or polls and stuff, movements are already organized - if the asian market gets as pissed as we are those movements will blow up, and Bioware will have to make a choice out of two things in a matter of DAYS not months :

1- Fix it all and come clean/make an announcement that they will fix it to make up for screwing 3 games in 5 minutes, saving the situation to at least some extent.
2- Don't do anything and lose THOUSANDS of customers for ever.

To people who think I'm overreacting and overstating stuff.
I know people who literally threw away their copies of mass effect 3, collectors editions at that, in the trash before the truck picked it up. And not 2-3 people, at least 20. I also noticed some other guy here said he saw 100+ copies in the trash near a shop.

This is as serious as it gets. No overreacting, no bs.
Mind you, it's about to get much, much worse if it isn't addressed SOON.

You know 20 people who threw there ME3s in the trash, Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

[BradPoker]

They made games before but they never messed up an ending like that, so there should have been at least somebody who said "Guys, you sure that is a good idea" before the game was out...I hope they haven't responded yet, simply becasue the overwhelming amount of unsatisfied people out there gave them something to think. Sorry, but I am one of those who think the bad ending is tainting all 3 games, making me think "why the hell should I play 3 again, if it's always the same cr*ppy result"...

Modifié par BradPoker, 15 mars 2012 - 11:14 .

[2Shepards]

Ronin1325 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Cause it's been a week and companies usually take a month to organize together and make actual company responses, like the geth building consensus.

They need to get everyone together and brainstorm solutions, and than see if they are viable, only when they have come up with something, or have confirmed that they can't come up with something, do they ever make a public statement about it.

People demanding that they respond right now is a little unrealistic, they've got nothing to report about, and any statement in this landscape will be treated as a binding contract by fans. They'll make an actual statement on it with some time, meanwhile we have to make sure we don't harass them and discourage them from further interaction with the fanbase. Because they will abandon mass effect and its fans, and even it's long term fans, if it thinks trying to make a game for them is this risky.

That's true, xsdob, and though I have complained as much as anyone (maybe more), I will be more than willing to gobble a murder of crows if they have (Indoctrination Theory?), or come up with, something to turn this around.

Too true xsdob, but I don't think the majority of us are asking they fix this immediately, I believe that most of us are seeking a small acknowlegdement to our issue.

[AkiKishi]

2Shepards wrote...

I think Hudson and Co. are in shock.

I think they expected us with to take it and shrug it off owing it up to the munificent makers knowing better then poor pitiable us.

I think they thought we would take it, and not ask for better from them since they gave us this amazing series.

I think they are in shock all around. ME3 pulled in under 1 million in day 1 US sales.That's not any great improvement on any other Bioware IP. Even worse when you consider the ammount of advertising and backscratching EA has been doing. Those numbers were below the VG pre-order numbers btw so maybe the day 1 DLC did cost them.

This was also before the real ****storm of the endings hit and all the Amazon/MC user ratings took a dive towards the toilet.

It's not quite what they were expecting from their flagship title.