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[T-0pel]

 Why is it irelevant? I preordered CE version because of what they said about the game. If i knew they were lying I would have canceled that preorder.

[Sireniankyle1]

I love how people get on here saying that BioWare has the right to do as they wish, but they fail to realize that we have a right to complain.

[Hexxys]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Hexxys wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Need I go on? It's a pretty consistant theme from people who know what the eff they're talking about.

Do you live your life based on the opinions of others who "know what the eff they're talking about"?  I feel sorry for you, if so.

Btw, they're pretty much obligated to defend game studios/publishers.

Actually they're not. I've seen them bash plenty of companies and games in my time as a gamer.

An obligation isn't a contract.  A review site that perpetually generates positive reviews is far more likely to receive kickbacks, invitations, and promotions than one that would insist on objective reviewing.  That's just a fact of the real world, welcome to it.

[Sireniankyle1]

T-0pel wrote...

 Why is it irelevant? I preordered CE version because of what they said about the game. If i knew they were lying I would have canceled that preorder.

I 2nd this.

[Jake71887]

HenchxNarf wrote...
Well, if you were a fan, you could see the big picture here and you wouldn't disregard the whole series because of something that didn't go your way. 

There has been a lot of games where I seethed and hated the endings of, but did I condemn the creators? No. You know why? Because it was their story, it's not supposed to end the way I want it to.

For some of us, it's not that the ending was bad, it's that it's yet another notch in ways bioware has gone bad. 

[HenchxNarf]

Sireniankyle1 wrote...

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AlexMBrennan wrote...

So, your point is that because all gaming sites are biased and have a serious conflict of interests when reporting such issues, we should just assume that they're not?

They're not biased. They're just tired of the BS and the fact that the lot of you are making real gamers and real fans look bad. You're giving the gaming community as a whole a bad name.

You're making it so that if anyone posts something positive, you troll them right off the boards. No wonder people are afraid to say anything.

So you'd have us sit there and take it? If you don't already live in America, they'd love to have another conformist. I can say that because I AM an American.

Hate the ending all you want, return it if you have to. But you have no right to demand them change it. It wasn't YOURS to begin with.

I'm an American, too. What does that have to do with anything? Because I'm not a sheep? I actually speak out against people who have been bullying those gamers who have actually liked the game?

[MrAtomica]

Funny, I always thought of gaming as the one art medium where the audience not only had the ability to change the product to suit the needs of the majority, but also the right. Gaming is interactive, and our money makes the wheel go round. Stands to reason that the wheel ought to turn in the direction we desire (to an extent).

I do agree that developers have some artistic license in how they go about delivering a story. But to significantly alter their story in the last moments of the game is foolish. Ergo, our movement has sprung up. Seems simple to me.

[HenchxNarf]

Sireniankyle1 wrote...

I love how people get on here saying that BioWare has the right to do as they wish, but they fail to realize that we have a right to complain.

Complain until you're blue in the face. What you don't have the right to do is demand BioWare change anything about their game.

[Sireniankyle1]

Hexxys wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Hexxys wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Need I go on? It's a pretty consistant theme from people who know what the eff they're talking about.

Do you live your life based on the opinions of others who "know what the eff they're talking about"?  I feel sorry for you, if so.

Btw, they're pretty much obligated to defend game studios/publishers.

Actually they're not. I've seen them bash plenty of companies and games in my time as a gamer.

An obligation isn't a contract.  A review site that perpetually generates positive reviews is far more likely to receive kickbacks, invitations, and promotions than one that would insist on objective reviewing.  That's just a fact of the real world, welcome to it.

So that being said. Gamespot could also be holding positive reviews
hostage. Something like "we want something in exchange for a good
review."

[Jake71887]

HenchxNarf wrote...
Hate the ending all you want, return it if you have to. But you have no right to demand them change it. It wasn't YOURS to begin with.

I'm an American, too. What does that have to do with anything? Because I'm not a sheep? I actually speak out against people who have been bullying those gamers who have actually liked the game?

Actually, we do have a right to speak out against it and ask it to be changed.. And they equally have the right to tell us no, but it doesn't take away from the fact that we can and will .

[ShepnTali]

Doesn't matter what those review sites think. Something will come, if for no other reason the fanbase is large and loud, and probably giving Bioware a headache. And all the people and trolls that are fine with the ending as is, and shoot off in threads defending these anti-fan editorials, harassing other BSN members because they'd like happier ending options, are depressed over the ending, etc... will be right there downloading the expansion, dlc, complete ending, whatever. On behalf of BSN members who 'hold the line'... you're welcome, trolls.

[Hexxys]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sireniankyle1 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

So, your point is that because all gaming sites are biased and have a serious conflict of interests when reporting such issues, we should just assume that they're not?

They're not biased. They're just tired of the BS and the fact that the lot of you are making real gamers and real fans look bad. You're giving the gaming community as a whole a bad name.

You're making it so that if anyone posts something positive, you troll them right off the boards. No wonder people are afraid to say anything.

So you'd have us sit there and take it? If you don't already live in America, they'd love to have another conformist. I can say that because I AM an American.

Hate the ending all you want, return it if you have to. But you have no right to demand them change it. 

The hell we don't.  We don't have the right to physically FORCE them, but we have EVERY right to demand.  Whether they're inclined to act on it is their prerogative.

Modifié par Hexxys, 14 mars 2012 - 11:24 .

[guyfromprague]

Oh, it's their product? So Drew Karpyshyn didn't create the Mass Effect Universe at all? All his work destroyed in 5 minutes?
FFS, Bioware asked fans for help, what to change, what should be better, what can we lose, which character do you want to see more, which you don't care about.
Art my a**.

[HenchxNarf]

Jake71887 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...
Well, if you were a fan, you could see the big picture here and you wouldn't disregard the whole series because of something that didn't go your way. 

There has been a lot of games where I seethed and hated the endings of, but did I condemn the creators? No. You know why? Because it was their story, it's not supposed to end the way I want it to.

For some of us, it's not that the ending was bad, it's that it's yet another notch in ways bioware has gone bad. 

I guess it wouldn't bother me so much if people weren't so.... bullying of those who liked the game and try to state it for those that aren't all gung ho.

Thanks for actually responding without being a douchenozzle. It's appreciated, and that's not sarcasm.

[Sireniankyle1]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sireniankyle1 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

So, your point is that because all gaming sites are biased and have a serious conflict of interests when reporting such issues, we should just assume that they're not?

They're not biased. They're just tired of the BS and the fact that the lot of you are making real gamers and real fans look bad. You're giving the gaming community as a whole a bad name.

You're making it so that if anyone posts something positive, you troll them right off the boards. No wonder people are afraid to say anything.

So you'd have us sit there and take it? If you don't already live in America, they'd love to have another conformist. I can say that because I AM an American.

Hate the ending all you want, return it if you have to. But you have no right to demand them change it. It wasn't YOURS to begin with.

I'm an American, too. What does that have to do with anything? Because I'm not a sheep? I actually speak out against people who have been bullying those gamers who have actually liked the game?

Siding with the big company is exactly what makes you a sheep. And Americans conform with mass media quite frequently. No to go off track. Either way someone earlier made an excellent point of that defending this crap is equal to bootlicking.

[Cody211282]

HenchxNarf wrote...

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Chaota Vos wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Denethar wrote...

Meh, Gamespot is an even bigger joke than IGN. While IGN is always suspected of being bought by game companies, Gamespot has pretty much been confirmed to be controlled by EA.

So kotaku is a joke, Ign is a joke, Destructiod, G4, Source Fed, Philip Defranco, Giant Bomb, Gamespot, shall we continue or should I just assume you guys are dense and don't want to see the big picture here? There is not one gaming site that actually agrees with you other than Gamefront (whoever that is)

I'd take Forbes over any of those holier-than-thau hacks, TBH

That Forbes article looked like it was written by a six year old, tbh. And it was full of nonsense.

Actauly he was talking about how as a buisness this is a horrible way to treat your customers, but you know keep bashing anything that doesnt fit with how you see the world.

Hello pot, should I introduce you to your kettle?

Sure, Ive said many times that if we are going to get anywere we need to be civil and show them we mean what we are seroius about this.

As for the the articles, most of them said that they were disapointed in the endings but people were making to much noise over them. I understand what they are saying but dont agree with it, you on the other hand are being a bit of a dick and refusing to see any point of veiw but your own.

Most of them said that what you are trying to do is ridiculous and that you're taking it overboard. It's cool to not like the ending. Hoorah for you.

I see lots of views, but I also don't agree with this whole 'movement' that's being thrown around. I have no problems with people who don't like the ending. I'm actually friends with them. But guess what? They're not making a fool of themselves by trying to HOLD THE LINE for a better ending. Because it's not their story to change. It's BioWares, and you were lucky enough to play it the way you wanted to until you got to the end they envisioned.

And they were "lucky enough" to have a lot of us as paying customers. This isn't us being fools, this is us making a point. They ether change the endings or we stop funding you, it's that simple. Hell on my end I've canceled my TOR account in protest and talked 3 of my friends out of getting the game, plus I wont be buying anything else from them in the future, and I own everything from BG1.

It's not just the endings, it's how they have been treating us this entire games release, Forbes has called them out on it saying they need to improve customer trust and quite frankly I think they need to take an entire PR class on how to deal with angery customers.

It boils down to this, we were lied to, we have had nothing but people calling is "entitled" and we have finaly had enough, this was the final straw, they fix it or they can kiss a lot of paying customers goodbye and at the end of the day they need us a hell of a lot more then we want them.

[Chaota Vos]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Well, if you were a fan, you could see the big picture here and you wouldn't disregard the whole series because of something that didn't go your way.

There has been a lot of games where I seethed and hated the endings of, but did I condemn the creators? No. You know why? Because it was their story, it's not supposed to end the way I want it to.

It seems to me that you and I differ vastly in our art vs product arguments.  I will therfore agree to disagree.  But please don't infer that due to our differences, that somehow makes me a "lesser fan".  That's simply insulting.

Modifié par Chaota Vos, 14 mars 2012 - 11:26 .

[Sireniankyle1]

LOL I feel like such a Stormcloak.

[Almostfaceman]

That's right. I forgot to ask game review magazines how I should react after I've played a video game. Silly me.

Next time I play a game, I'll be sure to run it past both the game creator and every person who has an opinion and gets paid for it, if my reaction is okay.

Ya know what? Forget having a dialogue with a company I've liked and asking them for something. That's ridiculous. What makes even more sense is to just accept everything they throw at me and smile.

I'll do that with everything now. Why make up my own mind on anything? Hate a movie? Wait, that professional reviewer over there likes it. Oooops! My bad!

Don't like a car? What kind of entitled idiot am I to judge that work of art that automobile is? I should buy them all! And with every option!

My cell phone doesn't work? Wait, that cell phone is designed exactly the way the maker intended it! Who am I to complain?

Look, folks, don't let anyone tell you how to think. If you think the game sucks and you'd like them to change it or you'd like to toss it in the fireplace, say your peace or do whatever. It's idiotic to take away the power of the consumer to ask for things and to give feedback. Period.

[Jake71887]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...
Well, if you were a fan, you could see the big picture here and you wouldn't disregard the whole series because of something that didn't go your way. 

There has been a lot of games where I seethed and hated the endings of, but did I condemn the creators? No. You know why? Because it was their story, it's not supposed to end the way I want it to.

For some of us, it's not that the ending was bad, it's that it's yet another notch in ways bioware has gone bad. 

I guess it wouldn't bother me so much if people weren't so.... bullying of those who liked the game and try to state it for those that aren't all gung ho.

Thanks for actually responding without being a douchenozzle. It's appreciated, and that's not sarcasm.

There's just as much bullying, namecalling, and other such nonsense on both sides. There's a schism in the community, and it's showing. I respect that people enjoyed the endings, but to me it's a big hit, and just another thing Bioware has done wrong in my eyes. So of course I'm going to let them know, I want them to do as well as I know they can, rather then stop playing their games and letting them fade into obscurity.

[Edje Edgar]

Principle, entitlement, integrity. All empty phrases.

The foundation of human interaction is power. We want something from Bioware and we'll use the power available to us to achieve that goal. Bioware wants something and will use theirs in a similar fasion. If these interests collide it will turn into a struggle, to the winner the spoils.

I cant for the life of my figure out why Bioware's interest would be opposed to their fanbase however.

[Withidread]

stwu wrote...

I didn't realize Gamespot writers were in anyone's pocket.
This Forbes writer thinks otherwise.
http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/

Thanks for the link.

[HenchxNarf]

Sireniankyle1 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Sireniankyle1 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

So, your point is that because all gaming sites are biased and have a serious conflict of interests when reporting such issues, we should just assume that they're not?

They're not biased. They're just tired of the BS and the fact that the lot of you are making real gamers and real fans look bad. You're giving the gaming community as a whole a bad name.

You're making it so that if anyone posts something positive, you troll them right off the boards. No wonder people are afraid to say anything.

So you'd have us sit there and take it? If you don't already live in America, they'd love to have another conformist. I can say that because I AM an American.

Hate the ending all you want, return it if you have to. But you have no right to demand them change it. It wasn't YOURS to begin with.

I'm an American, too. What does that have to do with anything? Because I'm not a sheep? I actually speak out against people who have been bullying those gamers who have actually liked the game?

Siding with the big company is exactly what makes you a sheep. And Americans conform with mass media quite frequently. No to go off track. Either way someone earlier made an excellent point of that defending this crap is equal to bootlicking.

"Defending this crap"? And who's the worse person here? A lot of people actually liked the game. Defending it does not make us sheep, it makes us gamers who enjoy the story and the franchise. That's what this forum is for, fans of the games. If you don't like them, fine. But don't make it so that people who actually have something nice to say can't do it for fear of being trolled right out of their own threads.

[Dreogan]

Is it just me, or is all of this feeling a lot like "other people know what you like better than you do"?

[alek2702]

HenchxNarf wrote..,

I see lots of views, but I also don't agree with this whole 'movement' that's being thrown around. I have no problems with people who don't like the ending. I'm actually friends with them. But guess what? They're not making a fool of themselves by trying to HOLD THE LINE for a better ending. Because it's not their story to change. It's BioWares, and you were lucky enough to play it the way you wanted to until you got to the end they envisioned.

Agreed.

Modifié par alek2702, 14 mars 2012 - 11:30 .